Apple Extends Deal With Qualcomm as Custom 5G Modem Delayed

[ksec]

The stress is in the legal department coming through hundreds/thousands of overly broad patents and trying to find out if it’s ok compliance.

That is not how the patents system works for 5G or any 3GPP standards.

 

[Kashifnawaz85]

Even if Apple release their own modem it's not gonna compete with Qualcomm ones. I used once Samsung Exynos modem on Galaxy A50 and it has poor reception. Qualcomm is way ahead of Modems.

 

[NT1440]

That is not how the patents system works for 5G or any 3GPP standards.

The patent system doesn’t work. But that’s a different topic entirely.

 

[MacBH928]

Qualcomm has literally thousands of patents on 5G implementation. Even if you completely did a novel way of doing it, good luck in the tech-illiterate US justice system when the lawsuits come.

well if they literally invented the 5G technology, just like in medication, yes I guess there is nothing you can do about someone's else invention

 

[laptech]

I think people have not looked at the link source again because there has been an update

On June 27, the U.S. Supreme Court declined to hear Apple’s bid to revive its legal effort to cancel two Qualcomm patents – an effort that Apple began before the 2019 global settlement between the two companies. The two Qualcomm patents the Supreme Court declined to review are valuable inventions that improve the look-and-feel user experience and have been widely deployed for years; contrary to some recent reports, though, they have nothing to do with 5G modems.

The patents Apple is trying to get void have nothing to do with 3G,4G,5G or any other G. It has to do with the basics of the modem. This could therefore imply that it is the core functionality of the modem that the patents in question relate to hence why Apple is trying to get them voided.

 

[NT1440]

well if they literally invented the 5G technology, just like in medication, yes I guess there is nothing you can do about someone's else invention

5G is an agreed upon industry standard… if the only way to adhere to the standard is to pay one of maybe three companies worldwide…that’s just wrong morally (I know law has nothing to do with morality).

Parents aren’t about “inventing technology”, they refer to the specific implementation of a process. In other words, precisely how you do x or y to get an outcome.

You can get the same outcome by a different process.


The problem, however, comes when every avenue of achieving that outcome is locked down behind a tangled web of patents, often ones that have been sold off to firms that literally do nothing but collect patents.

For the record, I think patents on technology are a parasitic process that drains from human potential worldwide to ensure the fabulously wealthy corporations continue rent seeking, but that’s a different discussion entirely.

 

[NT1440]

I think people have not looked at the link source again because there has been an update



The patents Apple is trying to get void have nothing to do with 3G,4G,5G or any other G. It has to do with the basics of the modem. This could therefore imply that it is the core functionality of the modem that the patents in question relate to hence why Apple is trying to get them voided.

For the record, that link I provided from a quick 10 second search. The update in the bottom was read before I posted it. It was meant to be just one of dozens of examples of patent suits likely being the main reason Apple hasn’t produced a modem.

 

[iPay]

Yeah, lawyers rule big style in the US. Or is it cats?
Coming next: Dawn of the Racoons!

 

[MacBH928]

5G is an agreed upon industry standard… if the only way to adhere to the standard is to pay one of maybe three companies worldwide…that’s just wrong morally (I know law has nothing to do with morality).

Parents aren’t about “inventing technology”, they refer to the specific implementation of a process. In other words, precisely how you do x or y to get an outcome.

You can get the same outcome by a different process.


The problem, however, comes when every avenue of achieving that outcome is locked down behind a tangled web of patents, often ones that have been sold off to firms that literally do nothing but collect patents.

For the record, I think patents on technology are a parasitic process that drains from human potential worldwide to ensure the fabulously wealthy corporations continue rent seeking, but that’s a different discussion entirely.

honest question, how would Qualcomm know if Apple infringed the patents? Do they actually have a team of technicians that study the design of Apple modem chips to check if they infringed on a patent?

 

[NT1440]

honest question, how would Qualcomm know if Apple infringed the patents? Do they actually have a team of technicians that study the design of Apple modem chips to check if they infringed on a patent?

Not technicians…lawyers.

 

[seek3r]

Not technicians…lawyers.

And electrical engineers