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Apple Faces Another iPhone Lawsuit Over 'Programmed Obsolescence'
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That comment overall makes some sense, but is just mean spirited. I believe It was done in the in the interest of making the phone more stable...a good intention. Maybe it should have been mentioned up front. Engineers don't necessarily think of the legal issues...that's not their job, they are engineers. That is what the legal and PR teams are there for. Wanting them fired for that is just nasty....what if you were fired because you did something that you thought was correct and it was not checked by the next link in the chain of command before going to a customer?
I was really excited about landscape mode, but Apple didn't support landscape across the OS, let alone on its core apps like Music. I was annoyed but the number of times I had to change the orientation so I just stuck with Portrait.
Now THIS is the lawsuit I've been waiting for. I hope this happens in America too. Apple crippled my iPhone 5s with IOS 11, which led to me selling it dirt cheap. If not for Apple's "stopping signing an OS", I would probably still have that iPhone, even if just as a backup and all those free games I had would still work. Bad Apple. I hope they lose this one as it really does benefit consumers.
I completely agree with this. My mother had the first iPad Mini. It was perfect for her. She is in her 70's and doesn't care for speed, games or any other "amazing" stuff the iPad can do. She just wants to read her mail and browse a site or two.
Following the release of iOS 9, the iPad became useless. Slow to the point of ridiculous and basically destined for the bin. There was no way to downgrade by the time I got my hands on it as Apple stopped signing iOS 8, and we literally had to bin what was otherwise a perfectly reasonable device.
I've always wondered, why?
Yes, I know the device is old, but if it works, it should continue to do so. We live in a society where the answer is just "buy a new one"; because come on, $700 just grows on trees, right?
It's the thing that hacks me off with ALL of these companies. Apple is not alone in this.
Apple, Samsung, LG, Google...they are all in this together and frankly, it needs to stop, but how? Your guess is as good as mine.
The reality is we live in a landscape of very expensive throw-away items and people just sink further and further into debt to get the latest gear and companies like Apple absolutely encourage and enable this behaviour.
Low APR credit, free credit etc is thrown about like it's nothing driving consumers into debt. Do you think Apple gives a damn? Heck no. They thrive off it and earn millions dishing out the partnerships and even the credit.
And guess what. We lap it up and we also thrive upon it!
We are a sick society.
There are several solutions which are far more reasonable than your nuclear option.
The software is optimized to a certain spec, leaving other hardware configs to not work as smoothly. So Tim has to be very careful with his words here, because the company doesn't write code persay to slow down other devices, it's just a side effect of writing to a certain spec, with possible changes in hardware and amount of time to optimize for other devices.
Trust me in that someone at Apple decides when you're not getting enough value for your work, and decides to reprioritize something. Happens a lot with other companies too. They just want the best bang for the buck.
Trust me in that someone at Apple decides when you're not getting enough value for your work, and decides to reprioritize something. Happens a lot with other companies too. They just want the best bang for the buck.
Backing up before upgrading doesn’t work? I backup my phone before every upgrade (it kinda does it automatically, but still, I make sure I get a backup right before I upgrade) and, if it’s not good for me, I reinstall that backup.
Planned obsolesence? How many of us have friends who are still rocking iphones and macbooks from 2015 and earlier? Apple gear remains useful for years longer than windows & android stuff, partly because of software support and partly because of better physical build quality. This lawsuit is frivolous.
I think that we are getting to the place where the people making and managing countries rules and processes are so far behind their knowledge of technology and have not idea how it works. Tech will always change, like it or not....there will be issues, like it or not, that's just part of change. If people are always running to have the latest, greatest "cutting edge" tech (toys) I know that it seems silly, but in tech it's always best to wait for the v2 revision. Yes, hardware gets obsoleteleted....that's part of progress not usually on purpose, but usually because the older hardware ban no longer run the new code.....ie, 32 bit vs 64 bit.
It seems that Apple product customers want the latest technology but freak out when the older technology is removed. I think as you move forward there is a point that the old has to be left behind.
It seems that Apple product customers want the latest technology but freak out when the older technology is removed. I think as you move forward there is a point that the old has to be left behind.
Microsoft stopped supporting Windows XP. No more security updates are leaving me vulnerable. They should be forced to support forever.
1 - New OSs will always be slower on older hardware. If you can't handle that, do not update to newest OS (yes, you'll miss out on features).
2 - Super unrealistic to expect support of an ancient OS. Every company, not just Apple, cuts the cord at some point.
In the words of the great coach Beard, "Grow up and get over it."
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1 - New OSs will always be slower on older hardware. If you can't handle that, do not update to newest OS (yes, you'll miss out on features).
2 - Super unrealistic to expect support of an ancient OS. Every company, not just Apple, cuts the cord at some point.
In the words of the great coach Beard, "Grow up and get over it."
You couldn't be more right.
Lawyer: "We're suing on behalf of the consumer."
Consumer: "Cool. How much do I get?"
Lawyer: "$7."
Consumer: "Wait... it's a multi-billion dollar lawsuit. I get $7?!"
Lawyer: "Well, yes, we need to line our pockets first."
None of that addresses this specific issue. Which is that Apple throttled the performance of some peoples devices without properly informing them.
2015 is relatively recent. There are 2007/2008 PC devices still in use and supported by Windows vs 2012 Macs that have been dropped from Big Sur by Apple.
First off , this isnt a new release anymore iPhone 12 and iOS 14 have been out for nearly 6 months.
Second, here are a couple of ongoing things for example that have been plaguing plenty of people.
Yellow Screen/Tint? Display seem "Warm"? Check here first!
Reports are already surfacing of a classic annual tradition in iPhone land - the dumping of yellow tinted reject screens on unsuspecting consumers. This happens literally every year, since the iPhone 3G. Every. Year. without fail. Same tint. Same excuses from Apple apologists. The fact is, not...
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12 Pro stutter when closing apps
Update: This issue has been fixed as of iOS 14.5 beta 2. Multiple people who submitted this issue through the feedback app received confirmation from Apple that the issue was resolved with this beta. I feel like we get things like this with every new phone, but... I’m noticing frequent...
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And yes I'm about to be cliche.....but for the prices Apple charges they deserve every bit of criticism especially when its contrary to their marketing. Apple's prices have been going up in recent years and quality has been going down whether anyone wants to argue thats by a little or a lot is a moot point. The fact its happening at all is not good.
I work at a tech company that primarily uses PCs/Windows. Everyone gets new hardware every three years because we need the latest software to do our jobs in a high pace competitive market. Latest software will always demand the newest hardware. If you don't get it, your old computer will be slow. The 2007/2008 PC devices you speak of are super slow by now. Not much getting done there. That experience must be poop. Apple cuts the cord before that experience is even a possibility.
I thank you, Apple!
I am sick of this "scandal".
From the full background, it appears to me that they were acting in good faith. Not trying to induce sales but trying to reduce the frequency of unexpected shutdown events in phones that are physically wearing out the battery. They had a release note alluding to the change and published later info about how this did significantly reduce the device incident reports.
It was a short-fall of communication and not nefarious. You don't get future device sales by outright sabotaging your customers. They have taken IMO adequate steps since then to have clear displays and controls for the end-user within iOS itself.
From the full background, it appears to me that they were acting in good faith. Not trying to induce sales but trying to reduce the frequency of unexpected shutdown events in phones that are physically wearing out the battery. They had a release note alluding to the change and published later info about how this did significantly reduce the device incident reports.
It was a short-fall of communication and not nefarious. You don't get future device sales by outright sabotaging your customers. They have taken IMO adequate steps since then to have clear displays and controls for the end-user within iOS itself.
Stutter is a "massive problem"? Sure some people may notice it, but "stutter" in iphones have been debated for years. Same with so-called "Yellow screen".First off , this isnt a new release anymore iPhone 12 and iOS 14 have been out for nearly 6 months.
Second, here are a couple of ongoing things for example that have been plaguing plenty of people.
Yellow Screen/Tint? Display seem "Warm"? Check here first!
Reports are already surfacing of a classic annual tradition in iPhone land - the dumping of yellow tinted reject screens on unsuspecting consumers. This happens literally every year, since the iPhone 3G. Every. Year. without fail. Same tint. Same excuses from Apple apologists. The fact is, not...
12 Pro stutter when closing apps
Update: This issue has been fixed as of iOS 14.5 beta 2. Multiple people who submitted this issue through the feedback app received confirmation from Apple that the issue was resolved with this beta. I feel like we get things like this with every new phone, but... I’m noticing frequent...
And yes I'm about to be cliche.....but for the prices Apple charges they deserve every bit of criticism especially when its contrary to their marketing. Apple's prices have been going up in recent years and quality has been going down whether anyone wants to argue thats by a little or a lot is a moot point. The fact its happening at all is not good.
Price is not indicative of lack of complaints, some justified, some not. If that were the case, cars that sell at a premium, like the S class would be a paragon of reliability.
Apple's prices really haven't really been going up as you allege. But I guess both of us to spin something to make our case.
The fact that this is happening seems normal, especially since the same things (justified or not) have been talked about for years.
Honestly, the intentions were good...I believe, however they should have told people up front and made it an option to partake or not. Once it became an issue, Apple should have made a formal apology, explained the reason..that it was to keep phones with older, tired batters not randomly should down and then gave some compensation to the affected people...And learned from the mistake to not do it again.
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Everything I've heard about their waterproofing is you can trust it once not long after purchase and after that it diminishes quickly.
And there are a number of cameras that are not just water resistant but specifically designed to work under water that use things other than glue to keep water out. I don't personally own them, but from what I can tell, it seems they just work with gaskets, like the Olympus TG series.