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Difference is, Google only charges for distribution truth its store, it doesn't force distribution truth its store.
Considering EPIC Game have sued Google on similar grounds as Apple, I assume very few people do actually takes the risk to side load on Android devices. In that sense, the difference seem to be insignificant.
 
The difference is, there is big diversity in cars and car systems, while in the smartphone market 2 companies control 99%. And one of those companies forces a cut of 30% (which is a lot) with no way to get around it.

Just imagine VISA would charge 30% for every transaction.
Visa is just middle man from bank to seller.

30% for risk handling, transaction handling, advertising, store support etc etc, that ok.

How much do you think supermarkets take, its more like 50%
 
The difference is, there is big diversity in cars and car systems, while in the smartphone market 2 companies control 99%. And one of those companies forces a cut of 30% (which is a lot) with no way to get around it.

Just imagine VISA would charge 30% for every transaction.
The lack of diversity in the smartphone market is hardly Apple or Google’s fault. They shouldn’t be blamed for other companies’ failure to challenge them. Apple has every right to force 30% or any amount of commission on developers as they see fit. They rightfully earned their dominant position in the market by pioneering digital software distribution and creating the best smartphone.

These governments and regulatory bodies are effectively punishing companies for being successful in the name of antitrust; they operate on the untrue assumption that monopolies are inherently bad and can only be achieved illegally. They can’t seem to entertain the idea that Apple lawfully got to where they are.
 
The lack of diversity in the smartphone market is hardly Apple or Google’s fault. They shouldn’t be blamed for other companies’ failure to challenge them.

You're making the leap here that the Bundeskartellamt is "blaming" Apple or Google, and wants to fine them. A different possible outcome could be that Apple and Google are forced to add more UI to change default apps.

Apple has every right to force 30% or any amount of commission on developers as they see fit.

Nobody is denying that.

They rightfully earned their dominant position in the market by pioneering digital software distribution and creating the best smartphone.

Antitrust isn't about whether someone earned a position. It's about whether, once they have that position, they still use it fairly.

The Microsoft antitrust case didn't say that Windows wasn't allowed to have 90% market share. It said that Microsoft wasn't allowed to leverage the Windows market share in order to also create dominant positions in other markets (such as web browsers and media players).

These governments and regulatory bodies are effectively punishing companies for being successful in the name of antitrust; they operate on the untrue assumption that monopolies are inherently bad and can only be achieved illegally.

No, they don't.

 
Irrelevant, even if true (which is questionable).
What exactly is irrelevant? You’re suggesting that Apple shouldn’t be able to define its own business model simply because it has a dominant position in the market. You’re basically discouraging companies from being successful.
 
Just found the real reason for the complaints in the press release of the Bundeskartellamt:

"...these include, among others, an association complaint from the advertising and media industry against Apple restricting user tracking with the introduction of its iOS 14.5 operating system..."
So this, again, is the Springer Press working in the background, teamed up with Facebook Germany and others.

Dis-gus-ting!
 
What exactly is irrelevant? You’re suggesting that Apple shouldn’t be able to define its own business model simply because it has a dominant position in the market.

That has basically been the prevalent legal opinion in many countries for an entire centuries, yes. A corporation, once it has a dominant position in the market, is more severely scrutinized in its business models. Nothing new about that.

You’re basically discouraging companies from being successful.

No.
 
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I guess one way to avoid this is to add a few more screens to the on-Boarding. Super annoying, but convenience was never in their focus. Just look at these annoying cookie banners. Just picture additional screens like „Which browser would you like to use? - list of options“ Which music service would you like to use? - list of options, etc. and whatever you decide to pick, will be chosen as it’s default option
Sure, but it quickly gets complicated when you start to ask who chooses which service categories and service providers the user gets to choose from?

In music, Apple Music and Spotify sure, but what about Tidal, Amazon Prime, Pandora? And what about all the smaller players? We can't only include big services, because that would be unfavorable to smaller services out there.

What categories are we doing this in?

Music? Video? Browsers? Email? Photos? Photo editing? Words processors? Password managers? Podcasts? Calendar? Maps?

The point I am trying t make is that it gets complicated fast and there don't seem to be any logical "this category/app and not that" arguments around.
 
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It said that Microsoft wasn't allowed to leverage the Windows market share in order to also create dominant positions in other markets (such as web browsers and media players).
And what’s wrong with that? If other companies are as successful as Microsoft, they can do the same thing as continue competing with Microsoft, but they’re not as successful, so they cry to governments about “anticompetitive behavior”. Private companies should be able to leverage their success to become even more successful.
 
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Just found the real reason for the complaints in the press release of the Bundeskartellamt:

"...these include, among others, an association complaint from the advertising and media industry against Apple restricting user tracking with the introduction of its iOS 14.5 operating system..."
So this, again, is the Springer Press working in the background, teamed up with Facebook Germany and others.

Dis-gus-ting!
That is indeed troubling.
 
Just found the real reason for the complaints in the press release of the Bundeskartellamt:

"...these include, among others, an association complaint from the advertising and media industry against Apple restricting user tracking with the introduction of its iOS 14.5 operating system..."
So this, again, is the Springer Press working in the background, teamed up with Facebook Germany and others.

Dis-gus-ting!
That's a great find!

It's disconcerting and disappointing for the government to be pretending to be pro consumer when they're really doing the advertising industry's dirty work.
 
Finally the governments around the world are going after the monopolistic dominance of the big tech. Long overdue.
So.. iPhones shouldn’t come with ring tones because you can buy those from someone else.. or wallpapers, or a phone app.. this is stupidity at its best. I’m all about supporting developers, but this is getting greedy.
 
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Visa is just middle man from bank to seller.

30% for risk handling, transaction handling, advertising, store support etc etc, that ok.

How much do you think supermarkets take, its more like 50%

Supermarkets likely take in a lot more. When we used to sell software to stores we got back about 10-20% per sale. Now we get back 70-85% from Apple, Google, Valve, and Microsoft. And about 50-60% from Epic.
 
That's a great find!

It's disconcerting and disappointing for the government to be pretending to be pro consumer when they're really doing the advertising industry's dirty work.

You are talking about a government relatively protective of consumer privacy, especially compared to others.

The issue is that it doesn't matter who issues a formal complaint, the question is only whether the complaint is valid, which is what this probe is supposed to determine.
 
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And what’s wrong with that? If other companies are as successful as Microsoft, they can do the same thing as continue competing with Microsoft, but they’re not as successful, so they cry to governments about “anticompetitive behavior”. Private companies should be able to leverage their success to become even more successful.
Antitrust laws exist for that exact reason.
 
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You are talking about a government relatively protective of consumer privacy, especially compared to others.

The issue is that it doesn't matter who issues a formal complaint, the question is only whether the complaint is valid, which is what this probe is supposed to determine.
Sure, but it speaks to the motive behind the probe in the first place. That's not immaterial.
 
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