Because no one cares about android...it's all about iOS.... work gave me a android google pixel pos. people call it pure android, I call it a battery hungry os that crashes 2-3 times a day...every day.
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Apple Faces Antitrust Probe Into Pre-Installed Apps, App Store, and More in Germany
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EXACTLY! This is about OUR private information, advertising exclusions, as well as European-based competitors and THEIR financial benefits.
The EU pretends this is about monopolistic concerns, but just as with Russia, it is clearly about CONTROL AND ACCESS to citize private data. Hence the Russian requirement to include ‘government-approved’ apps by default. In Russia, those apps will be spyware and worse. If these countries win, we can expect an erosion of consumer privacy worldwide, as other nations will want the same. The more politically corrupt and biased information is, the more likelihood this will happen.
I don’t see how Apple can avoid whatever the outcome of the EU investigation, but with regard to Russia, Apple SHOULD draw a line in the sand and pull out of that f*cking market! They do need to send a message to economically unimportant nations. Unfortunately, they can’t do this with China…the market is simply too large. Russia, on the other hand…what does Apple have to lose, 10 million users???
The EU is extremely protective of citizen's private data, as anyone having to deal e.g. with GDPR regulations can attest. You should not conflate the ulterior motive of the companies which filed a complaint with the validity of said complaint and whether the authorities should act on it or not.
Russia has a population nearing 150 millions... Furthermore iPhones there dominate the premium smartphone segment, which is the segment Apple is most interested in. There is IMHO no way in hell Apple is leaving that market.
It would also IMHO be somewhat hypocritical to "stick to principles" when the consequences are economically not a big deal but compromise on them when the bottom line is affected too much.
iOS and Android don't equate well to supermarkets. It is easier to think of them as oil and natural gas companies which compete with each other but are two separate means to an end. We have seen anti-trust regulation in each of these spaces due to oligopolies that formed to control prices. In the app environment of iOS there is only one market and prices are controlled by one entity. A market is part of this whole environment and if you treat the phone to cloud services as one product your assertions would be correct. But they are not. There are bits and pieces that each of us can opt into or out of.
To say someone would "have" to use another store seems strange. Your point that some developers would move to these stores is correct but do we "have" to use their products? Of course not. That is an individual choice. If enough individuals want a product but it isn't in that store a company will be compelled to move its product. There are some places I don't buy things because I don't trust them and the product isn't worth it to me. Sometimes I don't like the places I buy thing but do it anyway because the product is worth it. It's a value judgement. If you don't like the store enough to buy a product there don't buy it. And if it isn't anywhere else you have to make that call. This is how free markets in the non virtual world work, why not on iOS?
Your assumption that the stores would be "poorly regulated" is just that. Amazon created a better app marketplace than google on Android. Who says someone couldn't make a better one than Apple? Between my time at Microsoft on enterprise software and a number of security related cloud companies I know this can be done. Better yet, I think it could be done cheaper and split the difference in rates between this and Apple's with the end customer. AWS is pretty cheap and so we could possibly get good apps cheaper from a trustworthy marketplace. But we will never know because no other markets are allowed. That 30% cut is a sweet deal for Apple and they don't want it to go away due to competition.
There are more than two smartphone companies, and you can use your Android phone on the same networks as an iPhone.
You can’t use your iPhone on the same internet as an Android OS phone? Smart phone OS’s aren’t the same lumps of clay with just different sprinkles on top. They are totally different operating systems from the ground up. Way to over generalize.
Getting fixed in august, or via a replacement phone. Android is that way champ 👉 no need to turn iOS into crapdroid.
Sucks you've had a crappy green phone for MONTHS and wont' get replaced for a couple more MONTHS.
What does this have to do with this thread?
At least I can get it replaced on the spot, while your poor android phone has to go on a long holiday and you won’t get it back for 3 weeks lol.
As a consumer if I decide I don’t like my iPhone I take a ten minute walk to the shops and buy an Android phone, this is the equivalent of me leaving one supermarket and going to another (possibly to several others, since there are multiple stores on Android).
I’m no expert, but I suspect if I run a gas-fuelled power station the barriers to switching to oil are somewhat higher.
I think the supermarket analogy is better.
That‘s the crux of the debate really isn’t it? Do you view them as separate things or an integrated product+service? I and others (possibly a majority of iOS users, at a guess) like to view them as one integrated product+service, because we feel the overall result is better thanks to that integration. Now I certainly can see the argument being made against such bundling, and I’m not 100% wedded to either side of the debate, but if Apple is forced to break up that bundling, even if it does a lot of good, we will pay a price for that and I will miss the better service the bundling provides.
That’s why I prefaced the assertion with the word “realistically”. Obviously nobody technically has to install any software, but some software is essential enough to a user that they’ll grudgingly make the trade-off (installing another store) to access it, just like many (I would guess most) Mac users install software from outside the AppStore, setting up extra accounts, giving more people their payment details, even though they’d rather not. The locked down iOS approach means they don’t have to make that compromise.
Because it provides a worse user experience. Right now users have a choice - if they want a locked down experience like I described they can buy an iPhone, if they want a more open system like you describe they can buy an Android phone. You’re arguing to remove their choice.
Apple’s regulations (such as not allowing surreptitious tracking) are exactly the problem certain big players have with Apple’s system. Getting rid of the regulation is their whole motivation. It’s right there in the article proceeding this forum thread:
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Spot on, no one is forcing you to stay, what apple has been doing since day 1 has been working, if you want to side load and risk getting virus android 👉
So creating something from nothing, give millions of developers a platform to make millions for just $99 per year and 15% when it’s was far more expensive to enter before with 75% to the store and you had to market it yourself. Many of these complainers exist because of Apple. Dan’s currently pay very little to Apple
Right, the analogy obviously has flaws (and I didn't start with it). But there are absolutely silos here. If I buy an app on the iOS App Store, it only works on iOS. If I buy cereal from Target and milk from the local farmer's market, that'll work fine.
Whether it follows that governments need to regulate this, and how to do so, are more complicated questions. But the original question was "Why is this not a problem with cars?". Well, because cars are actually a lot more standardized and less siloed.
A gaming platform is a gaming platform.
iOS and Android are way more than just gaming platforms.
...which runs the Google Play Store.
What do you buy, when you don't like that either?
Possibly - but not realistically., in a world where essential applications (think: Facebook Messenger, WhatsApp, Instagram, your banking app) are only available on two or three stores. Contrary to supermarkets, whose products are available at many more competitors.
The reality is that competition among supermarkets is much higher than among app stores.
Entry barriers to setting up shops that sell supermarket goods are also much lower than app stores (esp. on iOS).
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Take your time, read through the post. Nothing confusing about it at all - except you focused too much on tHe game.
The topic was ‘hey i can load any game on my Tesla, why can‘t I get that on iOS’. I’m debating having any store or all open net does have it’s caveats and issues - like other games that debut such as the one I mentioned (since I did see it at a youtubers mention on Model S plaid 2022 model launch event).
One of the bills being put forward in America would cover car infotainment systems, smart TVs, fridges with built in tablets, and so on.
If it is even possible for the safety-critical systems to be put into an unsafe state from the non-critical controls, those responsible for the system architecture (including senior management) should have some serious questions to answer, starting with "On the charge of manslaughter, how do you plead?"
And if one reason for these types of choice screens is to encourage innovation, shouldn't these be weighted against the big businesses? For example, Spotify should appear fewer times in the list than Tidal, which should appear fewer times than some other innovative music service that isn't on our radar because the big companies have far more money to spend on advertising.
I’ve read it several times and I don’t get it. The person you’re replying to doesn’t claim to be able to play games on their Tesla (the opposite in fact - installing apps on their car is an example of things they don’t expect to be able to do) but your response implies that’s what they claim. Then for some reason you go on to talk about the internet era the Tesla had to survive it. What Do you mean? Teslas are modern, they run in this internet era. Sorry if I’m missing something really obvious, but I don’t get it at all.
Same thing you do when you don’t want to buy a Mac or Windows machine I suppose - either go without; buy something related but different (eg a feature phone and/or Windows tablet); or use Linux.
I’m not claiming there is a lot of choice when it comes to smartphone operating systems, I’m just pointing out that if you don’t like a store‘s terms you are free not to sell in that store, forgoing the potential money you’d make there. That applies in pretty much any market. Profit is not a human right.
Anyway, I think it’s wrong to look at this from the point of view of what’s best for developers - what matters is what’s best for consumers. I can certainly see how more competition benefits customers, but at the same time customers will lose a lot from a breaking down of Apple’s walled garden. I don’t know whether the benefits outweigh the costs, but I’m inclined towards the view that they don’t - when we already have a strong competitor in the form of Android with it’s very different ethos, reducing choice my removing the option of a walled garden seems like a net loss for consumers.
No the person doesn’t claim to install 3rd party apps on their Tesla system - but it is possible. My response in no stated THEY claimed to be able to. I never stated such things.
My response was to highlight what’s possible, and that it may not be a good thing in terms of reference of something that rocked developers of big companies for a while. It’s not so much about a CAR or it being internet connected, its’ about the whole more than one App Store, one download source for installation, and multiple payment methods brining us back to the open internet for everything related to apps for installation may not be the best direction to go for.
All this BS is like asking McDonald's to sell Wendys fries. If Nike open a string of stores, that's like the government telling Nike, you ant sell your own brand in your stores, you have to sell another brand. This is BS F*&*K the government.