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Ummm, that’s the main reason I buy Apple devices. It’s all integrated, I can see all my stuff across multiple devices etc. I buy into Apple because it IS ring fenced and controlled!
Exactly it’s the euro trash wanting their hand out. Nothing more. They will fine Apple a couple billion then that will be that. God if you don’t want an Apple iPhone quit whining and go buy whatever version of Samsung/Android that pleases you. I have yet to ever go to a Samsung rumor site to stir crap up. I do not like Samsung. Why would I go to one of their many rumor sites.
 
The average US grocery store profit margin is around 2.2%.
It doesn't appear you understand the difference between revenue and profit. Apple's revenue on the App Store is 30%. Profit is the amount of money remaining after maintaining data centers, paying for bandwidth, paying humans, and all the other costs to run the App Store. I don't believe we know the actual profit, but I guarantee you it is no where near 30%. Your lack of understanding such a simple concept makes your opinions difficult to take seriously.
 
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All this BS is like asking McDonald's to sell Wendys fries. If Nike open a string of stores, that's like the government telling Nike, you ant sell your own brand in your stores, you have to sell another brand. This is BS F*&*K the government.

You can buy fries at Wendys, McDonalds, Whataburger, and many other places. There isn't one store like on the App Store. Thanks for playing.
 
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I don't believe we know the actual profit, but I guarantee you it is no where near 30%.
Why not?

Apple's gross margin on Services was 66% for the last fiscal year.
We can assume that a large part of Services sales was from App downloads.

Even with integration of Apple ID and the whole certificate/signing handling, Apple are essentially providing simple digital downloads on their App Store. Bandwidth for that is cheap, so are data centers. Net profit margins for the whole company are slightly above 20% - compared to Walmart's slightly above 2%.

The App Store's profit margins are likely higher than the average (because physical products are more expensive to manufacture, distribute, handle warranty claims, etc. and ...competition).

I'd bet that Apple's profit on the App Store are pretty "near" to 30% - especially when comparing to a 2% figure of supermarket profit margins.
 
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It doesn't appear you understand the difference between revenue and profit. Apple's revenue on the App Store is 30%. Profit is the amount of money remaining after maintaining data centers, paying for bandwidth, paying humans, and all the other costs to run the App Store. I don't believe we know the actual profit, but I guarantee you it is no where near 30%. Your lack of understanding such a simple concept makes your opinions difficult to take seriously.
Sigh. If you bothered to try to what I wrote understand you'd note I said profit margin, which, for your information is: (revenue-expenses)/revenue. Perhaps I should have included net and not assume, since it was so low, people would know I wasn'y talking about gross or operating. If you want to disagree with me, fine, but at least respond to what I wrote rather than launching a personal attack.

I have no idea what Apple's net profit margin (or gross, or operating) is on the App Store but I am pretty confident it is more than a grocery stores.
 
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Mobile Operating System Market Share in Germany - May 2021

Android
64.65%

iOS 34.34%

Samsung 0.93%

Windows 0.03%

BlackBerry OS 0.01%

Other 0.01%
That data is skewed Android virtually runs on everything from infotainment systems in cars to embedded devices.
 
What does this have to do with this thread?

At least I can get it replaced on the spot, while your poor android phone has to go on a long holiday and you won’t get it back for 3 weeks lol.
Nope, plenty third-party stores exist. Back order the screen myself and bring in the device to a third party repair store and guess what no lines to stand in.
 
Sideloading doesn't mean piracy. It just means installing from somewhere outside of the app store. Half the paid apps on my Mac are "sideloaded".
That's why I am dumping macOS and getting into Linux. Don't want the IOS level of control on macOS.
 
That data is skewed Android virtually runs on everything from infotainment systems in cars to embedded devices.
It's not.

If you visit the source link, they distinguish between "Desktop", "Tablet" and "Mobile" platforms.
"Mobile OS" in this context clearly means nothing else than portable handheld devices, i.e. smartphones.

Embedded and infotainment aren't mobile devices running "Mobile Operating Systems". While both technically could be "mobile" in the strict sense of the word, that's clearly not what's meant there. If the figures included embedded devices, share of Windows and Others (Linux!) would be way higher than a mere 0.04% combined. Both Windows and Linux run on tons of embedded devices.
 
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It's not. Embedded and infotainment aren't mobile devices running "Mobile Operating Systems".

While they technically could be "mobile" in the strict sense of the word, the figures definitely do not include them. If the figures included embedded devices, share of Windows and Others (Linux!) would be way higher than a mere 0.04% combined. Both run on tons of embedded devices.
That's an assumption. I went on the website doesn't say how they collected that data.
 
That's an assumption. I went on the website doesn't say how they collected that data.
It's just one click away (in their FAQ).

They even provide a (their) definition of a Mobile Device:

"We define a mobile device as a pocket-sized computing device, typically having a display screen with touch input or a miniature keyboard."

Clearly not infotainment systems in cars, TVs or embedded devices.
 
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It's just one click away (in their FAQ).

They even provide a (their) definition of a Mobile Device:

"We define a mobile device as a pocket-sized computing device, typically having a display screen with touch input or a miniature keyboard."

Clearly not infotainment systems in cars, TVs or embedded devices.
So, they're proposing substantial changes for iPhones but not iPads then? That's odd. The iPad is a mobile computing device with a display screen with touch input, but it's not pocket-sized.
 
You can't accuse Apple for being anti-competitive, in a market others choose to stay behind either.

That's also a theory too.
 
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The EU is extremely protective of citizen's private data, as anyone having to deal e.g. with GDPR regulations can attest. You should not conflate the ulterior motive of the companies which filed a complaint with the validity of said complaint and whether the authorities should act on it or not.
Perhaps, but I believe that the GDPR was also a regulatory tool intended to support European firms at the expense of American tech firms. Funny thing about regulation is that enforcement of regulations is almost inherently subjective. Smaller European firms are likely to get more of a pass re: GDPR compliance than American firms. There’s also the penalties for data leaks, and it’s not clear whether the law has any allowances for zero day vulnerabilities. There’s also the matter of regulatory capture.
 
Yes. If the company does it honestly with hard work and innovation and a cohesive experience.
In general, firms can’t continue to arbitrarily buy up competitors, materials, or services anyway. It’s the law of supply and demand, eventually prices increase as demand increase and the supply remains the same or even decreases. No one firm could, without the active (albeit perhaps covert) support of government, buy up a whole sector of the economy or the whole economy itself. As this firm’s empire rises, sellers would naturally demand more money from them, unless the government enforces price caps that benefit the firm. And as profit grows, entrepreneurs and potential competitor firms would see those huge profits and get into the market to compete with them, unless government actively restricts them or supports the monopoly firm through subsidy.

The economy works this way because the restrictions on these market activities are based on force. Sans force, anyone could enter that monopoly market*. The government itself claims a monopoly on force (such a monopoly is really the only objective measure of how “government-y” any given claimant government is). Thus, the government’s ability to intervene in the economy to any extent is dependent on force. Since monopoly profits attract competition like sharks and blood in the water, the only way a monopoly, and its monopoly profits, can be maintained for any significant period of time is through force.

* I might allow for oligarchic markets to emerge naturally, but oligarchic markets are functionally different than monopolistic markets. Consumers can still exercise consumer choice, just of a more limited selection of goods. Oligarchic firms can still either undersell or undermine their competitors (Apple’s approach to privacy, in addition to being something that they genuinely think is a competitive advantage of theirs, serves to undermine Google’s and Facebook’s data collection and advertising business). Plus, firms’ large cash holdings or high prices, even in an oligarchic system, still serve as a market signal to entrepreneurs to enter the market. I think anti-trust regulators need to be careful that they don’t restrict consumer choice in the larger oligarchic market in the name of increasing it in one portion of the market. By restricting an oligarchic firm’s chief point of differentiation relative to other oligarchic firms (even in the name of consumer choice or consumer protection), the regulators could cause there to be less overall choice in the market by blunting that firm’s key point of differentiation and competitive advantage. I believe that’s what’s happening in this discussion.
 
In general, firms can’t continue to arbitrarily buy up competitors, materials, or services anyway.
This is a strawman. Businesses have been regulated in this country for hundreds of years and nobody said any acquisitions the Apple had were illegal.
It’s the law of supply and demand, eventually prices increase as demand increase and the supply remains the same or even decreases. No one firm could, without the active (albeit perhaps covert) support of government, buy up a whole sector of the economy or the whole economy itself. As this firm’s empire rises, sellers would naturally demand more money from them, unless the government enforces price caps that benefit the firm. And as profit grows, entrepreneurs and potential competitor firms would see those huge profits and get into the market to compete with them, unless government actively restricts them or supports the monopoly firm through subsidy.

The economy works this way because the restrictions on these market activities are based on force. Sans force, anyone could enter that monopoly market*. The government itself claims a monopoly on force (such a monopoly is really the only objective measure of how “government-y” any given claimant government is). Thus, the government’s ability to intervene in the economy to any extent is dependent on force. Since monopoly profits attract competition like sharks and blood in the water, the only way a monopoly, and its monopoly profits, can be maintained for any significant period of time is through force.

* I might allow for oligarchic markets to emerge naturally, but oligarchic markets are functionally different than monopolistic markets. Consumers can still exercise consumer choice, just of a more limited selection of goods. Oligarchic firms can still either undersell or undermine their competitors (Apple’s approach to privacy, in addition to being something that they genuinely think is a competitive advantage of theirs, serves to undermine Google’s and Facebook’s data collection and advertising business). Plus, firms’ large cash holdings or high prices, even in an oligarchic system, still serve as a market signal to entrepreneurs to enter the market. I think anti-trust regulators need to be careful that they don’t restrict consumer choice in the larger oligarchic market in the name of increasing it in one portion of the market. By restricting an oligarchic firm’s chief point of differentiation relative to other oligarchic firms (even in the name of consumer choice or consumer protection), the regulators could cause there to be less overall choice in the market by blunting that firm’s key point of differentiation and competitive advantage. I believe that’s what’s happening in this discussion.
OK.
 
This is a strawman. Businesses have been regulated in this country for hundreds of years and nobody said any acquisitions the Apple had were illegal.

OK.
Really, the first section was a response to the grandparent comment as opposed to the parent comment, I just felt like it made more sense as an elaboration of the parent comment. It doesn’t particularly make sense without the content of the grandparent comment.

As for the second section, what does OK mean in this context? It’s ambiguous, it could be snide dismissal or it could be “that makes sense” or “I see where you’re coming from”. It seems to me to be side dismissal, but I’ll give you the benefit of a doubt. If it is a dismissal, you’ll have to do better than a summary dismissal of basic economics. An OK doesn’t really suffice in that case.
 
Perhaps, but I believe that the GDPR was also a regulatory tool intended to support European firms at the expense of American tech firms. Funny thing about regulation is that enforcement of regulations is almost inherently subjective. Smaller European firms are likely to get more of a pass re: GDPR compliance than American firms. There’s also the penalties for data leaks, and it’s not clear whether the law has any allowances for zero day vulnerabilities. There’s also the matter of regulatory capture.

Do you have any data corroborating your belief? According to e.g. this and this articles among the top fined companies Google is there (of course...) but then there is plenty of EU companies and in general non-tech companies are quite well represented.

I have found no data suggesting that "smaller European firms" are more likely to have a preferential treatment.
 
Really, the first section was a response to the grandparent comment as opposed to the parent comment, I just felt like it made more sense as an elaboration of the parent comment. It doesn’t particularly make sense without the content of the grandparent comment.

As for the second section, what does OK mean in this context? It’s ambiguous, it could be snide dismissal or it could be “that makes sense” or “I see where you’re coming from”. It seems to me to be side dismissal, but I’ll give you the benefit of a doubt. If it is a dismissal, you’ll have to do better than a summary dismissal of basic economics. An OK doesn’t really suffice in that case.
I really wasn't sure how to comment on the second section, because it seems like a whataboutism. I'm for letting the market determine who the better product belongs to, not the government. It's not like there is not any competition to Apple.
 
Do you have any data corroborating your belief? According to e.g. this and this articles among the top fined companies Google is there (of course...) but then there is plenty of EU companies and in general non-tech companies are quite well represented.

I have found no data suggesting that "smaller European firms" are more likely to have a preferential treatment.
I don’t have hard data, no, but I did see the Wikipedia list of GDPR fees, and, of the ones reported there, it seemed like European firms typically paid less than what an American firm would pay for an equivalent data breach. In general, though, regulations tend to strongly favor the regulated (after all, they don’t get enough steam to get passed without a champion, and the champion often comes from the regulated industry seeking its self interest, they’re the ones who care the most after all), and the EU (and its constituent nations) has exhibited protectionist behaviors towards European firms in the tech space (such as French newspapers against Google News). So while I don’t have hard data about the GDPR or enforcement, I’d be legitimately surprised if there weren’t some protectionist elements somewhere in its articles or in the courts’ interpretations of its provisions. It’s less a comment about the specifics of the GDPR itself and more about the general process that results in regulations, especially grand, sweeping ones.
 
I really wasn't sure how to comment on the second section, because it seems like a whataboutism. I'm for letting the market determine who the better product belongs to, not the government. It's not like there is not any competition to Apple.
Sorry it seemed that way. I actually agree with you, so I’m surprised you interpreted it so differently than what I meant. I guess I could be a little more clear in my writing, I definitely don’t do it as much as I used to.

Edit: The second section was really just exploring how the market self regulates and how monopolies develop. I was riffing on the idea of a firm genuinely being able to buy everything up that the grandparent comment brought up. I suppose I really should have responded to the grandparent comment in the first place. I actually saw my comment as supporting your comment, buttressing it. Again, sorry for the confusion!
 
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I don’t have hard data, no, but I did see the Wikipedia list of GDPR fees, and, of the ones reported there, it seemed like European firms typically paid less than what an American firm would pay for an equivalent data breach.

It doesn't seem the case to me. The majority of top-fined companies are actually not American and among tech firms Google obviously reigns supreme but should come at no surprise given Google's business model being inherently anti-data-protection and being one of the larger tech firms altogether, which obviously means any fine based on global turnover will be relative to it.

Said that, I agree that the GDPR being an European regulation is not optimal: IMHO it should evolve in a multinational agreement involving all major countries.
 
In general, though, regulations tend to strongly favor the regulated (after all, they don’t get enough steam to get passed without a champion, and the champion often comes from the regulated industry seeking its self interest, they’re the ones who care the most after all)

Very true. The US, for example, two of the biggest monopolies around, electric utilities and the phone company, as a result of companies driving regulation as "natural monopolies" and thus limit competition, giving rise to ATT and the various utilities with defined service areas.
 
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