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Apple Faces German Antitrust Probe Into App Tracking Transparency
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But they do track us though lmao. They track what you listen to in Apple Music, what you buy on the App Store, what you search for using Siri, and need I remind you they almost implemented invasive CSAM scanning in iCloud. Apple is not your friend, they are a billion dollar corporation, just like all the rest. You can like their computers but to say they're without sin is grossly false.
Why would you believe Apple doesn’t track you when you use their products? Just because Tim Cook tells you they don’t?
I want Apple to track me when using their products. I want a good ecosystem experience. And yes, I believe what Tim Cook says. YMMV.
On another note: Privacy is not apples' best friend, according to the government.
Sure that is a great idea, let's have the government develop a competitor that is better than apple and meets all of the requirements. Works with everything, backdoors galore, etc.
I mean there are toggles to deactivate each of these (isn't that what they want, the same for everyone?) and if you question those, you might as well question the App Tracking Transparency function in the first place as well. Might as well not use the internet.
If that financing subsidiary they created falls into the category of a regulated business (like most businesses that make loans) then all the information from customer Apple IDs that Apple uses to make loan decisions becomes available to government regulators without the need for a warrant.
It seems reasonable to me that Apple should be required to follow the same privacy rules as others on the platform. I think making it more comprehensive (e.g., including Apple) would be appropriate. Apple shouldn't be "above" their own law.
Whether or not this actually rises to the level of violating German antitrust regulations remains to be seen.
Whether or not this actually rises to the level of violating German antitrust regulations remains to be seen.
Says the guy from a country that runs CGHQ, and jails people if they don’t hand out encryption keys and passwords.
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What evidence do you have that they do? You’ll find almost every app requiring data has the user data stripped out before it leaves the phone, and until evidence is provided to the contrary, there is no reason to believe otherwise. I choose not to believe the baseless conspiracists.
I feel people forget the big difference between Apple data collection and the rest. Apple is not turning around and just selling your info off to any bidder. They charge premium margins for a reason. But for them to tailor their services and goods to you better they need to have some information on you.
All information I have consented to give when joining the ecosystem
All information I have consented to give when joining the ecosystem
Ok, you think that, the other majority of iPhone user's don't think so. See, what I did here? Let Apple design iPhones according to the law.
Yes they do. But it is shades of grey. The follow up question should be "how much does each track?" For instance, Apple has explicitly said they do not maintain individualized ad tracking data. Google, meta, twitter, etc. all do. That's a huge difference in my mind.
And to say that they are "just like all the rest" is tricky too. They have been leveraging privacy as a marketing tool and implementing things like ATT to support their claims. For sure Apple is not my friend but there is also a trend of privacy focused folks leaving Android for iOS lately. This has been a differentiator for them.
Mister Mundt is weak when it comes to protect his citizens from the ripoff at the gas stations but now in case of Apple he is all mighty...
I can see where the claims might come in against ATT. IF Apple is able to collect and leverage the data across their platform in ways that other companies cannot and limits those companies ability to do so then this is correct.
However, as I understand it, this is not the case. Apple does not build an advertising ID for individuals as has commonly been the practice for internet ads for a long time. This is why their apps don't trigger the warnings. Any other company could do exactly this as well. Apple may have an easier time as their platform is very broad but then, so is google's and facebook's.
I DO think that ATT wasn't entirely selfless. Apple is a business. And this was good for their business and disrupted their competitors' business models. The fact that it is good for consumers is what will prevent it from being removed. WE want ATT and it's a good feature for us to have. As a result, I will happily jump on the bandwagon to tell google and facebook to make more consumer friendly business models and stop whining.
However, as I understand it, this is not the case. Apple does not build an advertising ID for individuals as has commonly been the practice for internet ads for a long time. This is why their apps don't trigger the warnings. Any other company could do exactly this as well. Apple may have an easier time as their platform is very broad but then, so is google's and facebook's.
I DO think that ATT wasn't entirely selfless. Apple is a business. And this was good for their business and disrupted their competitors' business models. The fact that it is good for consumers is what will prevent it from being removed. WE want ATT and it's a good feature for us to have. As a result, I will happily jump on the bandwagon to tell google and facebook to make more consumer friendly business models and stop whining.
What?
Interacting with a company's service isn't tracking. Its using the product.
Facebook still knows who's profiles you visited and what comments you posted. ATT didn't stop Facebook from being able to run their service.
Listening to Apple Music, buying stuff from the App Store, of course Apple is going to know what you did... and both apps are tied to your Apple ID, you gave them permission to track your ID using that service when you signed in.
What in theory, according to Apple, they are not doing is using identifying information from your phone to track you while you bounce from 3rd party app to 3rd party app or even website to website to learn your habits and sell to you.
Apple cleverly sets itself up as a premiere ad placement partner after killing off "third party" data use via ATT kneecapping FBook. Should we trust Tim & Co. to put consumers interests above those of shareholders ?? Tim (and most CEOs) would argue they are legally bound to focus on SHs at the expense of consumers. Thanks MiltonF. E.g.:
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Apple ad revenues skyrocket amid its privacy changes
Apple earnings show how much its ad business has grown amid iOS 14.5: App Store search ads have benefited greatly from its privacy update—something advertisers have known for a while and regulators won’t be able to ignore for long.
I believe that we‘d be in pretty big trouble if mac OS had iOS‘ market share.
In any case, the commission's preliminary findings have found that ATT "is not subject to the new and additional rules of the App Tracking Transparency Framework." It has also been proved by the tripling of Apple's advertising share. Apple is advocating privacy so that it can restrict access to data to third-parties while having exclusive access to the data. Apple should not think that everybody is fools. Today, it is German government. Tomorrow, all the other governments will get wise to this, especially once the German commission brings out its findings. That should level the playing field.
Agreed. People are just buying into the marketing. I think Windows is far FAR more secure than macos (if Mac had Windows marketshare).