Apple Faces New App Store Complaint From Chinese Developers

[I7guy]

Good grief. I want it for free is where this is going. Hoping Tommy can use some of his charm to get this thrown out.

 

[I7guy]

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When someone operates with monopoly power in providing important goods or services, civilised societies regulate it.
Nothing crazy about it at all.

100% agree. But it’s not Apple that operates any part of its business with monopoly power.

 

[Westside guy]

And here you are using an American based forum.

... that was founded by a Canadian. 🤣

 

[gummybear2026]

100% agree. But it’s not Apple that operates any part of its business with monopoly power.

Apple doesn't operate any part of it's business with monopoly power? They only allow apps sold on their app store and force competitors to use webkit on iOS devices. If that's not a monopoly then I have a bridge to sell you.

 

[now i see it]

Every developer hates the App Store terms. Has been this way since the first iPhone. Might as well sue every company that charges fees that you don’t like .

 

[UliBaer]

And here you are using an American based forum.

Where I was guided to from the search results of another great American company, you probably dislike.

 

[AppliedMicro]

it’s not Apple that operates any part of its business with monopoly power.

The U.S. department of justice disagrees.
And so do I. Even if the DoJ didn‘t, I would.

We can agree to disagree.

Hoping Tommy can use some of his charm to get this thrown out.

Tommy? Timmy?

Last time I checked, my iOS keyboard includes a 🇹🇼 emoji flag (which I can also describe and find in text). And the settings app has a certain “Region” setting on offer that, I’m informed corresponds to it. Also, just this week, the orange man said that Apple is going to manufacture some chips in the U.S. instead of that region.

Timmy certainly has some Aces up his sleeve to charm China.
If more cracking down on VPN and “domestic terrorist” apps doesn’t suffice.

 

[nnoble]

Of course they do.

• Rights to bear arms
• Rights for employers to exploit their employees, bust unions and fire anyone anytime
• Rights to legally screw over customers
• Rights to set up surveillance infrastructure

Lots of rights. Just different priorities. Fundamentally a governmentsceptic, first-past-the-post and „winners take (and keep) it all“ society, with little regard for balancing the interests shareholders and other stakeholders.


When someone operates with monopoly power in providing important goods or services, civilised societies regulate it.
Nothing crazy about it at all.

You missed out the right to Foist a geriatric offender onto the world stage as leader. Well done U S A (repeat ad nauseam)!!

 

[I7guy]

The U.S. department of justice disagrees.
And so do I. Even if the DoJ didn‘t, I would.

They can have an opinion. It’s guilty until proven innocent. Correct?

We can agree to disagree.

We do disagree. On that we agree.

Tommy? Timmy?

Same person.😉

Last time I checked, my iOS keyboard includes a 🇹🇼 emoji flag (which I can also describe and find in text). And the settings app has a certain “Region” setting on offer that, I’m informed corresponds to it. Also, just this week, the orange man said that Apple is going to manufacture some chips in the U.S. instead of that region.

Timmy certainly has some Aces up his sleeve to charm China.
If more cracking down on VPN and “domestic terrorist” apps doesn’t suffice.

 

[mannyvel]

Chinese complaining about monopolies and unfair competition?

Just tell them the CPP mandated that level of fees. Problem solved!

 

[surferfb]

Apple doesn't operate any part of it's business with monopoly power? They only allow apps sold on their app store and force competitors to use webkit on iOS devices. If that's not a monopoly then I have a bridge to sell you.

Android exists and it’s super easy to switch.

You’re arguing “McDonalds has monopoly power because they won’t sell me a Pepsi with my Big Mac.” While it’s true McDonalds only sells Coke products in its stores, that doesn’t mean they have a monopoly.

 

[ProbablyDylan]

How many countries does this make?

 

[gummybear2026]

Android exists and it’s super easy to switch.

You’re arguing “McDonalds has monopoly power because they won’t sell me a Pepsi with my Big Mac.” While it’s true McDonalds only sells Coke products in its stores, that doesn’t mean they have a monopoly.

What does McDonald's have anything to do with Apple? You're really going off topic with this comparison.

 

[surferfb]

What does McDonald's have anything to do with Apple? You're really going off topic with this comparison.

It’s an analogy. To try a similar one, McDonald’s doesn’t have a monopoly on hamburgers just because you can’t buy a Whopper in McDonalds. If you’ve decided you’re only eating at McDonald's, then sure from your POV McDonalds has a monopoly, but in reality they don’t because you could just go to another restaurant.

Apple doesn’t have a monopoly in any market they compete in, unless you artificially restrict the market to “devices/software Apple makes”. So the fact that Apple doesn’t allow third party app stores doesn’t mean they have monopoly power; just like the fact that McDonald’s doesn’t allow non-McDonalds sandwiches to be sold in their restaurants doesn’t mean they have a monopoly on hamburgers. Android exists. You don’t have to buy an iPhone.

 

[gummybear2026]

Apple doesn’t have a monopoly in any market they compete in, unless you artificially restrict the market to “devices/software Apple makes”. So the fact that Apple doesn’t allow third party app stores doesn’t mean they have monopoly power; just like the fact that McDonald’s doesn’t allow non-McDonalds sandwiches to be sold in their restaurants doesn’t mean they have a monopoly on hamburgers. Android exists. You don’t have to buy an iPhone.

Apple has a monopoly where is no alternative app stores in the US. There is alternative app stores in the EU, Japan and Brazil. Why not allow alternate app stores everywhere?

 

[haemolysis]

Hopefully China is brutal and it sets a precedent for other countries to follow.

 

[mannyvel]

Monopolies in an of themselves are not illegal in the US. it's anti-competitive behavior by monopolies that's illegal.

 

[SBlue1]

And here you are using an American based forum. Shouldn’t you be on the European one since it’s so bad here?

I didn't say it's bad. Been in the states, lovely people for the most part. And the forum is actually quite funny.

Plus I don't blame Americans at all. Its the corporations and politicians paid by those corporations that brainwashed most of your people thinking that its ok to give birth and go straight to work the next week, that workers rights or minimum wages kill jobs, or that consumer rights make products more expensive. I mean just look at some of the regular posts here of ordinary people defending Apple and big corporations at all cost. Why is it ok for companies to ship inferior products or offer bad services? Why is it ok for billionaires to buy another private jet yet their workers have to live form paycheck to paycheck?

I know we got our own problems here in Europe but at least I can rant about our problems at my local pub with real unflavored beer and with snacks that are not colored with poison while enjoying my weekend after 39 hours of work with enough money to go on a 6 week paid vacation without having to gofund me first because I fell of my bike and broke a bone. Cheers!

 

[surferfb]

Apple has a monopoly where is no alternative app stores in the US. There is alternative app stores in the EU, Japan and Brazil. Why not allow alternate app stores everywhere?

Apple does not have a monopoly in the US, as the 9th district ruled in the Epic case.

Apple doesn’t allow alternate app stores as they are, on the whole, bad for customers, as we see in Android. Unless you have another explanation for Androids significantly higher malware rate.

 

[MilaM]

Apple doesn’t have a monopoly in any market they compete in, unless you artificially restrict the market to “devices/software Apple makes”. So the fact that Apple doesn’t allow third party app stores doesn’t mean they have monopoly power;

You don't need to have a monopoly to fall under antitrust laws in most countries. Abuse of a dominant market position to impose unfair purchase or selling prices or other unfair trading conditions is reason enough to go after a company.

 

[surferfb]

You don't need to have a monopoly to fall under antitrust laws in most countries. Abuse of a dominant market position to impose unfair purchase or selling prices or other unfair trading conditions is reason enough to go after a company.

Correct in the west. I don’t know how it works in China; at 19% of the market Apple does not have a dominant market position there by Western standards (well, given the size of the country, they definitely meet the “we invented new ones out of thin air to ensure Apple gets regulated (but don’t apply those numbers to Spotify!)” EU standards).

But I was responding to someone claiming Apple has a monopoly and seemed surprised anyone would disagree that they did. So was just clarifying that to that user that Apple doesn’t have a monopoly.

 

[ProbablyDylan]

"It's not a monopoly. And if it is a monopoly, the user consented to being subject to it. And if they didn't consent or if their circumstances changed, it's their fault anyway."

 

[MilaM]

The developers want more than Brazil-style pricing. They argue that allowing third-party app stores in China, as Apple already does in the European Union under the Digital Markets Act, would push its effective commission down to as low as 5%.

Interesting how all the attention Apple is getting could lead to a "race to the bottom" dynamic. Soon the only developers paying the full commission will be the ones based in the US.

 

[I7guy]

Apple doesn't operate any part of it's business with monopoly power? They only allow apps sold on their app store and force competitors to use webkit on iOS devices. If that's not a monopoly then I have a bridge to sell you.

They have a monopoly on their product. That is legal last I looked. Save the tired memes for another day.

How many countries does this make?

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[I7guy]

Interesting how all the attention Apple is getting could lead to a "race to the bottom" dynamic.

That’s exactly what is being said. These regs are bad for all involved. Glad you agree. A race to the bottom for software quality as well.

Soon the only developers paying the full commission will be the ones based in the US.

And they will be the ones with the best software ecosystem.