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There’s a story about the Macintosh SE and the SE/30. Had Apple followed the conventions of the Macintosh II series, the SE/30 would have been the SEx. I’ve heard someone suggest that if Apple were a European company, they probably would have ran with it.

Sounds sort of like what Musk was looking to do with the Tesla. The Model 3 was originally going to be the Model E which would've made the Tesla lineup at the time, Model S, Model E and Model X. Adding the Model Y a few years later would've resulted in a S...E...X...Y model line.
 
Sounds sort of like what Musk was looking to do with the Tesla. The Model 3 was originally going to be the Model E which would've made the Tesla lineup at the time, Model S, Model E and Model X. Adding the Model Y a few years later would've resulted in a S...E...X...Y model line.
Where does the Cybertruck fit in that? ;)

Urge to make Right Said Fred joke intensifying…
 
I’m praying Apple reverses its decision and plans to support the iPhone 7 / 7 Plus. I don’t think it’s that outdated yet.

However, the bottom line is Apple wants you to upgrade.
Yes I had the iPhone 8 a number of years ago and then moved to the XR. I had that and then moved to the 12 and then moved to the 13 recently.
 
I am impressed that people are still using a 6 year old device, maybe it is time to upgrade to the iPhone 8 ;) I wonder how many Android users have had full software updates for the past 6 years.. I am more disappointed with Ventura cutting out so many Macs.
I am concerned about that as well. I mean come on Apple I upgraded to a 2020 MacBook Pro 2 years ago and they want me to upgrade to Apple Silicon so fast and may discontinue my Mac getting updates in 2 years??? Come on Apple!!! I plan to keep my MacBook for 5 years.
 
My brother is not a techie and still uses an 8. Next year when they drop support for the 8 I bet he wont even notice. He uses a phone to call and text.

It's usually a bit later than the immediate drop, when a podcast or banking app or something isn't going to work right (or at all!) without the latest version when it starts to be a problem

Dropping support for the latest/current iOS just starts the clock ticking.
 
It's usually a bit later than the immediate drop, when a podcast or banking app or something isn't going to work right (or at all!) without the latest version when it starts to be a problem

Dropping support for the latest/current iOS just starts the clock ticking.
True but I doubt he uses many apps. He uses his phone to call, text, lookup stuff on the web, and take pictures and thats about it.
 
My brother is not a techie and still uses an 8. Next year when they drop support for the 8 I bet he wont even notice. He uses a phone to call and text.
Your brother might hit a surprise sooner than expected. When OS updates are withheld, apps usually keep supporting old OSs for a year, after they drop support server side for apps not updated.
 
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Your brother might hit a surprise sooner than expected. When OS updates are withheld, apps usually keep supporting old OSs for a year, after they drop support server side for apps not updated.
I doubt he is on IOS 15. He may still be on 14. His phone works fine if he is.
 
Well, after reading a prior reply from you that he only stays web surfing and text/call, then he'll be fine. But if he ever does use any app with developer support, it might stop working within an unspecified amount of time.
Yeah he is no techie so developers may take a long time to drop support for IOS 14 if he does use apps besides the built in apple apps.
 
Well, after reading a prior reply from you that he only stays web surfing and text/call, then he'll be fine. But if he ever does use any app with developer support, it might stop working within an unspecified amount of time.
My mom upgraded from the iPad Mini 1 to the 5 last year and you are correct. The Mini 1 was so old nothing worked on it but web surfing, email, texting, and so on. Very very few apps ran on it.
 
My mom upgraded from the iPad Mini 1 to the 5 last year and you are correct. The Mini 1 was so old nothing worked on it but web surfing, email, texting, and so on. Very very few apps ran on it.
The problem when it's people like moms, dads or grandparents is that sometimes they don't get that support was dropped by developers. I had a discussion with my mom cause she blamed Apple for dropping support on WhatsApp on her 5S a while back.

It took a few minutes to make understand which apps came from Apple and that those did work. Eventually I ended up giving her a new iPhone XS.
 
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The problem when it's people like moms, dads or grandparents is that sometimes they don't get that support was dropped by developers. I had a discussion with my mom cause she blamed Apple for dropping support on WhatsApp on her 5S a while back.

Agreed, and I always prefer my older relatives are using the latest updates and fixes...and even on simple stuff, they tend to want the latest emoji updates, etc
 
To be honest this update is not massively different - I don’t see why these older devices can’t be updated to it with some stripped features if necessary.
 
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Agreed, and I always prefer my older relatives are using the latest updates and fixes...and even on simple stuff, they tend to want the latest emoji updates, etc
My mom’s still using a 4th gen iPad, and my dad’s still using a 1st Gen iPad Pro (both of which used to be mine). Granted, I think my dad tends to use the Fire TV stick I bought them for Christmas this past year more often now.
 
It's usually a bit later than the immediate drop, when a podcast or banking app or something isn't going to work right (or at all!) without the latest version when it starts to be a problem

Dropping support for the latest/current iOS just starts the clock ticking.

Apple is going to have to drop support for their devices sooner or later. The iPhone 6s has received updates since 2015, and the iPhone 7 since 2016. That’s six and five years respectively, and longer than they have already done.

I will say 4-5 years for an iOS device is well within expectations. Any more is a pure bonus. Nice if I get it, and I won’t go around losing my mind online when I (eventually) don’t.
 
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Apple is going to have to drop support for their devices sooner or later. The iPhone 6s has received updates since 2015, and the iPhone 7 since 2016. That’s six and five years respectively, and longer than they have already done.

I will say 4-5 years for an iOS device is well within expectations. Any more is a pure bonus. Nice if I get it, and I won’t go around losing my mind online when I (eventually) don’t.

It's not about when these were the flagship devices, but rather how long ago Apple themselves were offering them brand new at their stores as a purchase option to hit a price point.

That was only 2019 - 3 years ago

It's too soon on the 7's for a cutoff...it's debate-able on 6s class
I'd like them to err on the side of continual support, especially given what a minor update iOS 16 really is.

If "dictation emoji search" and "neural engine lockscreen" had to be disabled for older devices, so be it.
That's a fair tradeoff.
 
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