Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Should I go and bitch to Honda that my recently purchased SUV won't support CarPlay 2.0?
Yeah, especially if it has all the hardware needed but Honda just dont care about making a software update to support CarPlay 2.0.

The next best thing you can do is sell the Honda and buy a Tesla, which sends regular software updates as long as the hardware of the vehicles supports its.
 
It's purely marketing, to nudge more people into upgrading to new iPhones come this September.

First, we have the shortages and inflation going on. Apple won't even be able to put the latest chip on the iPhone 14. Thus Apple might expect some users postponing their upgrades. By cutting off 2 generations of iPhones, Apple probably hopes that these group of people would be nudged into upgrading. Apple probably banking on Plus users to get the iPhone 14 Max.

And how does a lock screen customizations/widget/filters on wallpaper require ML? It's basically putting the WatchOS face on the iPhone. How is that not possible on any iPhone? Just skip some of the filters. Apple did it before, with iPhone 7+ camera app not getting some portrait modes like stage lights vs the iPhone 8+/X.
 
  • Like
Reactions: supergt
What's the alternative? Support old phones and risk fruitless class action suits from people saying "Apple slowed my phone down?"
Exactly. There’s a delicate balance between dropping support too early (Android) and supporting it for too long and it becomes unbearably slow (iPhone 3G and 4S). While I initially expected it to get iOS 16, I still think 6 years of support on the iPhone 7 (plus probably 2 extra years of security updates just like iOS 12 got) is pretty fair and reasonable.
 
Last edited:
Imho you should. I recently saw an official, marketing approved BMW-ad that showed shots of a laggy, jerky interface.

Imho it's about time that car manufacturers don't lag ten years behind when it comes to their car's user interfaces.
This isn't a software problem. It's a hardware issue. Cars need to integrate new architectures into their devices, and add more screens to incorporate the CarPlay 2.0 vision. This is why they're not even announcing the models that will get it until late 2023.

I do agree with you though that Car manufacturers need to get better at updating software in their car. I had a 2017 Civic that had a horrible CarPlay bug that took them over 2 years to fix. Completely unacceptable.
 
Well if Apple continue with security updates for iOS 15 as promised then I don't see a problem. That's 95% of what they'd have gotten with iOS 16 anyway...
 
  • Like
Reactions: CasinoOwl
What about macOS Monterey for Intel vs Apple Silicon then?
It's the same argument. There are more Intel Macs in service today than M-series Macs. Again, justification on why they are forking macOS updates to cater to the majority, while still pushing forward with the future.

Would you still expect Apple to make a fork for Power PC Macs?
 
It's uncanny that all those once-MOST-POWERFUL-EVER iPhones simply can not handle some lock screen customization.
No, you needs 2,3 billion transistors from the neural cores of A-Bionic chip to put an effect which was supported in Photoshop back in 1995.
 
  • Like
Reactions: AppleTO
For those complaining, when is the "correct" time to scrap an update for a phone? 5 years? 10 years?
Why scrap at all? Keep putting out limited versions of the OS that can't do all the fancy new features that need more processing power. The regular things like safari, mail, music, none of that stuff is way more processor intensive now that an A series chip can't handle it. Yes there will eventually come a time when they just can't run the latest OS, but that is a long ways away. This is purely to force people to update. It is Apple's choice, nothing wrong with it, people just need to stop thinking of Apple has this great company that is really trying to make the world better. They are in it to make money, lots of money.
 
The iPhone 7 is still very modern and capable smartphone.

Well good thing it will continue to function—and get security updates—for many years to come.

And while it may be “capable,” it is still six years old and certainly not “modern.”
 
People out here acting like their phone is about to stop working. Your phone will be fine without iOS 16. Remember back in the day when updates to desktop/laptop OS’s would cost money to upgrade to. Apple has never charged for iOS updates. But hey, it was supported for 6 years. They’re not required to give you iOS 16. If you want it then go buy a newer phone. Cheapo
 
I wish we would stop reporting on when a model was introduced and rather report on the date at which a model was last sold as new.

The iPhone 7 was still sold as new into late 2019. That means we're now expecting OS updates for only 3 years? That's shorter than they have done it in the past.

Also, for all of the reasons mentioned in the article, this is planned obsolescence in action.

I'm disappointed because I got my kids non-activated iPhone 7s for about $150 each in the past year or two - much less than $700+ that Apple wants for new phones now. I knew it wouldn't last as long from an OS upgradability standpoint, but I didn't think Apple would cut it off this quick.

That being said, they will continue to run iOS 15 just fine, and I expect Apple to continue supplying security updates for iOS 15 for some time. But still... I get it. This was a profit play from an incredibly profitable company.
In my country, Apple actually still sold (and advertised) the iPhone 7+ way into 2020.
 
It's the same argument. There are more Intel Macs in service today than M-series Macs. Again, justification on why they are forking macOS updates to cater to the majority, while still pushing forward with the future.

Would you still expect Apple to make a fork for Power PC Macs?
I think in regarding to Intel vs Apple CPU's is Apple is paving the way for a future where they control all the hardware components. This is a big step and does indeed limit a large user base, but it is done to create the next phase in Apple's life.
 
I don't think the complaining is just about the time length per se. It's also the inconsistency with iPad 5 receiving iPadOS 16.

This “inconsistency” also shows the vacuousness of the argument—if not updating a six-year-old phone is “planned obsolescence,” then why does iOS 16 support other six-year-old devices? Maybe—gasp!—there’s a logical and reasonable explanation.
 
It's uncanny that all those once-MOST-POWERFUL-EVER iPhones simply can not handle some lock screen customization.
I mean, you do realize that computer hardware that was once the most powerful can become obsolete, right? The Macintosh II outstripped any Mac or PC on its release and could challenge the 68k Unix workstations (even, to an extent, the NeXTCube). But these days, my watch has far more raw processing power and memory than the Macintosh II did. The Macintosh II probably couldn’t even run the clock app on my Apple Watch. While I’m cheating a little by using such an old computer, the point still stands. Just because something has the fastest processor today doesn’t mean it’ll be suitable for tasks 5 to 10 years from now. You could build a ray-tracing, video editing behemoth today, and, in 5 to 10 years, when graphics get more advanced (ray-tracing in HoloLens!) and 8k video editing becomes the norm, your behemoth could be outclassed by a prosumer laptop.
 
Does Apple have an official written policy regarding iOS updates? If not, perhaps they should e.g., "we guarantee at least six years of iOS updates from launch date..." That way people can have some sort of expectation at purchase time. Yes, there may still be complaints about some iPhones getting more updates than others but as long as Apple met the minimum, that's all that should matter.
 
Does Apple have an official written policy regarding iOS updates? If not, perhaps they should e.g., "we guarantee at least six years of iOS updates from launch date..." That way people can have some sort of expectation at purchase time. Yes, there may still be complaints about some iPhones getting more updates than others but as long as Apple met the minimum, that's all that should matter.
Any good lawyer would never tell Apple to make a promise like that. Apple will use good faith to support as many older devices as they can, but when they reach a point where the user experience suffers too much to stand behind them, they stop supporting.

That's the most customer-friendly way they can do it while not painting themselves into a corner and holding back innovation to cater to old devices.
 
  • Like
Reactions: kc9hzn and MrSkoTA
Spoken like a true Apple executive! Why? If the phone still works, and is capable, why should anyone be forced to upgrade? Not everyone needs the greatest and latest.

If the iPhone 7 still allows these users to text, review their social media, etc, then that's great.
No one is forcing them to upgrade!! How is this not hard to understand? If those things are all they need the most home for, good for them, don’t complain about a 6 yr old phone not getting an UPDATE.
 
It shouldn't be a race to the bottom. Just because Android sucks doesn't give Apple permission to be as bad. The fact that Apple offered long-term OS support was a huge selling point previously. Especially on Macs, which easily last far more than 5 years today.
Except it’s not a race to the bottom… At all.
The iPhone 6S was Apple‘s longest supported phone for entirely new and current software updates, getting seven years worth of them (from 9.0 in fall 2015, to 15.X.X in fall 2022)
In second place is the iPhone SE first generation, with six and a half years of support, starting at 9.3 and going to 15.X.X
In third place is the iPhone 5S tied with the iPhone 7 with six years each.
Then the iPhone 4S, 5 and 6 all in fourth place at 5 years.
I’m not sure how anyone’s racing to the bottom, just because they didn’t beat their record this year.
Six years of support is still absolutely amazing.
 
Who is still using an iphone 7? It is a 6 year old phone, soon to be 7. Google only supports for 3 years. Nearly 7 years of support is unheard of in this industry.
 
  • Like
Reactions: cincymarch
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.