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Ugh, Apple is tying app updates to systems updates again. Those imessage, camera, etc improvements could have been a separate update. Pathetic.
You do realize that the bundled apps are part of the OS, right? (iMessage and camera especially so, since they’re closely related to key system APIs.) Short of spending time and effort backporting those new features to iOS 15, there’s no way to separate them from the OS.
 
I do wish Apple will reconsider the 7/7 plus. My grandmother is still on her 7 and very upset. Not that I blame her. Their must be some reason for this change besides getting people to upgrade their older devices.
 
Apple got complaints when they let really old devices run the latest OS.

Apple got complaints when they used battery management to let really old devices run the latest OS.

Apple learned its lessons and now people are getting what they complained themselves into.
 
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Because Stage Manager needs the M1 chips so they can leverage the storage as virtual RAM. I've seen people like Gurman questioning why older iPads can't do this, but my hunch is that this is one of the major benefits of the M1 chips, and while A-series chips maybe COULD support a version of Stage Manager, it goes back to Apple's not wanting to ship something that's severely crippled.

Stage manger is simply moving views around for apps already in their multitasking state. It's just a different view transition from the current grid view with the ability to group some apps and move the apps between each other. There's literally zero valid reason Apple can't implement this. I do something very similar within a custom app I wrote for work.
 
People out here acting like their phone is about to stop working. Your phone will be fine without iOS 16. Remember back in the day when updates to desktop/laptop OS’s would cost money to upgrade to. Apple has never charged for iOS updates. But hey, it was supported for 6 years. They’re not required to give you iOS 16. If you want it then go buy a newer phone. Cheapo
That would be fine if the phone is a dumbphone with limited connectivity features. Today, a smartphone is basically a computer containing most of our personal data, including health and financial. Making it secure and fully patched becomes an even more important.

I still give credit to Apple for leading in support on phones. But dropping off support without concrete reasons while iPads with the same/older hardware are still being supported, feels like a double-slap for consumers.
 
This “inconsistency” also shows the vacuousness of the argument—if not updating a six-year-old phone is “planned obsolescence,” then why does iOS 16 support other six-year-old devices? Maybe—gasp!—there’s a logical and reasonable explanation.
This argument does not even make sense. Logical and reasonable explanation is the only explanation? LMAO
 
You think this is disappointing ? How about features that get released for iPhone 13, but not 12. Or Masked FACE-ID dropping support for iPhone XS and 11. That is more concerning.
 
I still give credit to Apple for leading in support on phones. But dropping off support without concrete reasons while iPads with the same/older hardware are still being supported, feels like a double-slap for consumers.
This is the main trigger for many. If iPad 5 did not receive iOS 16, I wouldn't even bat an eyelid.
 
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What surprised me more was how 2016 model macs don't get Ventura.
Likewise. Things aren't so bad on the iOS side, 6 years of major OS updates and 2 years of security updates is a very good run for any OEM/OS.

On the Mac side though, it was a bloodbath. I expected the AS transition would accelerate things but seeing the 2016 MBP in the list was still a big surprise.
 
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Stage manger is simply moving views around for apps already in their multitasking state. It's just a different view transition from the current grid view with the ability to group some apps and move the apps between each other. There's literally zero valid reason Apple can't implement this. I do something very similar within a custom app I wrote for work.
I think you're underestimating how Stage Manager works.

It's not just a different view transition, it's keeping portions of those apps running in the background so they can be interacted with, dragged into multitasking view, and run on an extended display. It requires tapping into the advantages that only M1 can do, including using system storage as virtual RAM. It's far from some glorified dock.

 
It's 2022, I still believe iPhone 7 Jet Black iPhone is one of the sexiest phone.

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That would be fine if the phone is a dumbphone with limited connectivity features. Today, a smartphone is basically a computer containing most of our personal data, including health and financial. Making it secure and fully patched becomes an even more important.

I still give credit to Apple for leading in support on phones. But dropping off support without concrete reasons while iPads with the same/older hardware are still being supported, feels like a double-slap for consumers.
Don't worry, based on Apple's past behavior the iPhone 7 will get security patches after it stops getting the latest OS.
 
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I have three of my four Apple devices losing support with this round of OS updates. I just replaced the battery on my Jet Black 7 last year because aside from the odd website causing grief, it works for me.

Does this mean in September I'm in no man's land? Not at all. Many apps support older versions of the OS for a number of years, so if I'm left with capable, fast performance, I have no immediate need to burn through $4K this year to update the hardware again for little gain.
 
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This is the main trigger for many. If iPad 5 did not receive iOS 16, I wouldn't even bat an eyelid.
Yup.
Dropping the A8 while supporting the A8X can still be tolerated. But dropping the A9 and A10 iPhones while iPads sporting the same chip with the same amount of RAM are still being supported, is just sleazy.

Prior to WWDC, I didn't believe the rumors that the iPhone 14 will use an A15 instead of an A16. But with this, I believe it now. And thus Apple needed something to nudge more people to upgrade to the iPhone 13.5 14, and marketing came up with the solution.
 
I do expect Apple to follow up for a reason as to why they discontinued updates, as they know there will be backlash. The lock screen feature is probably the main reason why, causing limitations.
Couldn't possibly have anything to do with wanting to increase iPhone sales prior to the next gen launch to make the numbers look good. Nah must be a "technical reason". I am sure the marketing department is hard at work trying to explain to all the gullible people why the iPhone is too old but the iPad with the same specs is not. Sometimes Apple is just a business trying to make money. There is not much money in a phone released 7 years ago.
 
It’s weird to see hundreds of comments from consumers telling other consumers they should be happy their phone got even ~4+ years of support and take what they were given, rather than supporting the idea that maybe it’s time to start thinking about longer support windows.

Apple is the industry leader, sure. But let’s push for 10+ year support windows. Obsoleting perfectly good hardware isn’t good for anyone in the long run, even if it makes business sense right now.

Frankly, this matters even more on the Mac side where some of the Intel hardware being obsoleted this year is not that old at all.
 
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