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You didn’t disagree properly - I never said this was bad for consumers. I love this feature and use it all the time but requiring devs to implement it is plain wrong and anticompetitive and clearly many other actual devs out there agree
I don't think requiring it is wrong as long as Apple gives an ample amount of time for implementation of the request.
 
The next time BIG Tech needs to talk to Congress, March 25th I believe, they should ALL meet behind closed doors !

Otherwise, it will just be like the last one, where Politicians from both sides are just trying to score points to help them get RE-elected !

Nothing of value came out of the last meeting !

To me, it was ALL a Dog & Pony Show put on by the Politicians !

Make NO mistake here, I definitely believe the App Store needs to be cleaned up !

Apple has way too much control over App Discovery !
 
I support this investigation - I think that requiring all devs to implement this is super anti-competitive and is a thorn in the side for many developers that have to support this in cases where it clearly messes up the flow of their registration process. Especially with how it was just shoehorned into agreements without a concept of grandfathering out of it.
quote from the article:
unless the article is wrong, it's not ALL apps ...
"Apple requires all App Store apps that offer Google, Facebook, and Twitter sign-in options to also provide a Sign in with Apple alternative (with exceptions for apps that exclusively use third-party accounts like Gmail and Tweetbot), which some developers are unhappy with."
 
quote from the article:
unless the article is wrong, it's not ALL apps ...
"Apple requires all App Store apps that offer Google, Facebook, and Twitter sign-in options to also provide a Sign in with Apple alternative (with exceptions for apps that exclusively use third-party accounts like Gmail and Tweetbot), which some developers are unhappy with."
All apps that have other sign in services. I thought that was sort of implied given that Sign In with Apple has been discussed to exhaustion but sorry I’ll make it clearer going forward
 
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I know many users will be "Oh shut up, you just don't want to accept it", but there's a bit of a valid argument here. In a ways, it's kind of discriminatory where if you wanted to make things easier for your user by adding a single sign on kind of solution like FB/Twitter/Google, you must add Apple, or you're stuck with regular ol' username/password. Otherwise you're booted from the service. "Other services are optional, but we're mandatory". It's kind of like saying "If you want to use your Visa or MasterCard here, you're required to have a store credit card too, even though you might not use it. Otherwise, just accept cash."

It's stripping away the liberty of the developers to add services without adding a native service so that they're always there. I personally like SIWA and use it, but it kinda sucks that it's such a heavy requirement for a sign in feature. I know I'll get flack from users (heck, Apple users are already becoming a little skeptical of 3rd party developers), but to quote Marilyn Manson "something beautiful, or something free".
But is ”Sign in with Apple“ a requirement? From what I understand it is an option, not mandatory for users to select or use. Their site also states that participating apps can choose to support this feature. Is this now a requirement for all apps to accept?


I have 2 apps that support this but I elected to continue using my old accounts as opposed to the SIWA option.
 
It’s called WSL, you can simply install e.g Debian, Ubuntu inside Windows, and it even shares Windows resources. It’s also available in the Microsoft App Store 😱.
You're missing the point of the example. You want to rid yourself of windows and convert to Linux totally. You don't want to run windows because 1) it's buggy, 2) monitors your every move 3) is bloated or 4) pick your own reasons.
 
I support this investigation - I think that requiring all devs to implement this is super anti-competitive and is a thorn in the side for many developers that have to support this in cases where it clearly messes up the flow of their registration process. Especially with how it was just shoehorned into agreements without a concept of grandfathering out of it.
What the bell are you talking about. It’s five lines of embed code and is the same reg flow as Facebook or Google
 
Comes with a flavor of Linux...but I guess the answer is no. If you want to rid yourself of Windows and use Linux, windows doesn't enable the process.
Yes, but to play devil’s advocate, there are ways on Linux to use a Windows sign in. Apple could license out their API so that an Apple sign in works on Android. That would allow users to switch platforms.
 
What the bell are you talking about. It’s five lines of embed code and is the same reg flow as Facebook or Google
Doesn’t matter, it’s not for apple to decide. for some companies there is a ton of overhead around releases and quality testing and some simply may not have enough cycles/money to do this. Unless you’re telling me you happen to know for a fact that every single company out there can do this without any issues, without any testing, without any login flow modifications, without any additional screens for required data collection for account setup, etc etc. You can’t.

Thanks for the positive language champ always appreciated
 
This is a waste of time! come on.
Normally, I'm with ya, but not this time. 😕

But is ”Sign in with Apple“ a requirement? From what I understand it is an option, not mandatory for users to select or use. Their site also states that participating apps can choose to support this feature. Is this now a requirement for all apps to accept?
As a user, it's optional. As a developer offering FB/Twitter/Google, it's mandatory.

From Apple's own App Store requirements

4.8 Sign in with Apple
Apps that use a third-party or social login service (such as Facebook Login, Google Sign-In, Sign in with Twitter, Sign In with LinkedIn, Login with Amazon, or WeChat Login) to set up or authenticate the user’s primary account with the app must also offer Sign in with Apple as an equivalent option. A user’s primary account is the account they establish with your app for the purposes of identifying themselves, signing in, and accessing your features and associated services.
So if a developer had these sign in services, they needed to add SIWA, which has different mechanisms that devs need to support.

The main argument here is it's just another piece of Apple where they force themselves into the apps on grounds that normally every other service (like FB/ Google, etc) doesn't have those harsh requirements. In the eyes of developers, it just implements more "do it or the app dies" rules that simply sucks.
 
Yes, but to play devil’s advocate, there are ways on Linux to use a Windows sign in. Apple could license out their API so that an Apple sign in works on Android. That would allow users to switch platforms.
Maybe. But a decision like that is above my pay grade to make for Apple.
 
Yes, but to play devil’s advocate, there are ways on Linux to use a Windows sign in. Apple could license out their API so that an Apple sign in works on Android. That would allow users to switch platforms.
SIWA already works with Android. They just go through a different route (web version using AppleID login, vs Apple's FaceID/TouchID)
 
Why should they on Apple’s platform when they are benefiting from Apples work?
Why should developers have a choice? Did you really just ask that and feel good about it? They should have a choice because for many of them their apps were listed before Apple even started planning this. They shouldn’t get inherently shoehorned into writing new code for a feature that locks a portion of their customers into one ecosystem. It 100% disrupts their active user base as users are likely to give up on a service if they discover they have to make a new account from scratch or spend manual time changing over profile settings for a ton of their apps.

jesus I never thought apple would get so good at marketing to the point where people are literally begging to give up their freedom and own individual capacity for critical thought
 
Yes, but to play devil’s advocate, there are ways on Linux to use a Windows sign in. Apple could license out their API so that an Apple sign in works on Android. That would allow users to switch platforms.
But it does allow users to use other platforms....I have used Sign in with apple on Windows computers before, without issues. You just have to type in your Apple ID and password....A great example of this in action, Nintendo accounts. You can even use it on a Switch...
 
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