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That Texas district, and that of Delaware, have a reputation of both being friendly to patent holders, and of having technology savvy judges and juries. They also move pretty quickly.

In the same vein, Apple always tries to make it sure its own lawsuits are tried in Northern California, which has consistently proved friendly to Apple, along with having friendly juries that have been shown to be patent ignorant.

Delaware is relatively slow, actually. And fairly neutral. The reason so many suits are filed there is primarily because most corporations are incorporated there so they are subject to the personal jurisdiction of the court.

As for northern california, the juries tend to actually be pretty patent-savvy. The main reason it's friendly to apple is that it's friendly to all defendants for a few reasons. First, it's slow, which always favors the defendant. Second, it has patent local rules that require significant upfront disclosures from the plaintiff. (Other jurisdictions, like texas, also have such rules, but they are interpreted and, in some cases, written in ways that favor plaintiffs).
 
However they eventually do. The ones they don’t use should be relinquished.

Sometimes, but not all the times. And it’s not a requirement for you to ever make a working prototype or sell a product even if you own the patent. There are many reasons why the person/company who patented an invention may never go to market with it. But that doesn’t give someone else the right to use it without permission.
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Prototype != realeased.

You can’t buy a prototype...
 
I would scrap the patent system, when something is broken and is beyond repair you throw it away and replace it, it is time to replace the patent law.
 
Bigger patent troll vs smarter patent troll.

One thing is for sure, he's a lot smarter than Tim Cook.

I can predict American research and university will prevail over front company stealing research to be made cheaply overseas.

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This is an area Trump should step in if he wants to help American business. Kill all the patent trolls. Change the law so that if you don’t actually use the patent within a certain number of years, you lose the rights to it. Also get rid of patents for too broad and obvious use.
 
Well, thats a problem. How in the world are you granted a patent for something that has been used in another product for going on 4 years???? Did anyone in the patent office think....."The patent you are asking us to approve is already being used in Apple Watch, dont think we can grant you a patent to a existing product AND one thats gone to market years ago"

The date a patent is granted isn't what matters when it comes to prior art and assessing novelty and nonobviousness. In general, the date that matters is the application date.

I might, on Day 1, file an application specifying (i.e. describing) a, b, c, and d, where such specification supports a claim (I make) based on the elements X, Y, and Z. Then, on Day 100, you might publicly disclose a product (or an idea) which includes the elements X, Y, and Z. But your disclosure, on Day 100, wouldn't affect whether my claim was (possibly) valid as being both novel and nonobvious. In other words, it wouldn't count as prior art in the assessment of those criteria. So, on Day 485, my application - which includes the claim based on X, Y, and Z - might be granted. My priority date is Day 1. That, generally speaking, is when the clock started running on the term of my patent - the period of time during which others might be found to have infringed it. That term would generally be 20 years for a utility patent, but adjustments to its length might be made.

Further, and relevant to the patents at issue here, a continuation patent application can claim a priority date based on when a parent application was filed. All four of the patent applications at issue are continuation patents. They refer back to earlier patent applications, making somewhat different claims than those previous - i.e., parent - applications. So long as the claims made by the subsequent applications are supported by the specifications in the parent applications, the subsequent applications are entitled to priority based on the filing date of the parent applications. All four patent applications have parent applications filed before the Apple Watch was publicly disclosed.

I might, on Day 1, file an application specifying a, b, c, and d, where such specification supports a claim (I make) based on the elements X, Y, and Z. Then, on Day 600, you might publicly disclose a product (or idea) which includes elements X, Y and V. Then, on Day 700, I might file a continuation application which makes a claim based on the elements X, Y, and V (or X and Y, or X, Y, and U), which is also supported by the specification in the original application. There are a number of reasons I might do this. For instance, I might realize that the examiner isn't going to allow my original claim so I want to make a different one which might be allowed. Or I might think a broader claim (e.g. one with only 2 elements) would be allowed, and that would be better than having a narrower claim. Or I might realize that you were trying to design around my claim, but were doing so in a way that was anticipated by my original specification (even though it wasn't originally claimed). The key is, the specification (i.e. the description) in my original application has to support my modified claim. I can't just make new claims based on what I saw that you were doing or based on new ideas I had. If I do that, I can't claim a priority date based on the original application.

Then, if my new claim was supported by my original specification, on Day 900 my continuation application might be granted such that my priority date was Day 1. Your disclosure, on Day 600, wouldn't matter (and wouldn't have mattered) when it came to assessing novelty and nonobviousness. It wouldn't represent relevant prior art.

To be clear, I'm not asserting that the patents at issue (or specific claims made in them) are valid. I don't have enough information to assess their validity. They may well eventually be found to be invalid for any of a number of reasons. My point is that, Apple's disclosure of the Apple Watch prior to the granting of the patents at issue doesn't - nor should it - mean that they're invalid. That's not, for good reasons, how patent law works. Patent applications are, after a period of time and often prior to their being granted, published. If they could be made invalid by intermediate disclosures made by third parties, that would be all kinds of problematic. Applicants with pending patents often, themselves, disclose aspects of those pending patents to third parties. If doing so meant that those third parties could then make disclosures (prior to the patents being granted) which would effectively invalidate the patents, that would be all kinds of problematic.

Note: Claims are actually part of the specification in a patent application. Here, for explanatory purposes, I've treated them as something different. A continuing application can change the claims made without giving up the priority date of the parent application. But it can't change the description of the invention, and how it might work, without giving up that date. Also, a typical patent application makes multiple claims. Here I've referred to applications only making a single claim each.
 
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Sometimes, but not all the times. And it’s not a requirement for you to ever make a working prototype or sell a product even if you own the patent. There are many reasons why the person/company who patented an invention may never go to market with it. But that doesn’t give someone else the right to use it without permission.
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You can’t buy a prototype...
So oil companies can keep stealing patents for cleaner fuel like in the early 2000s? We need patent reform now.
 
I’m still amazed how freely people comment and pass judgement on systems where they are completely ignorant. I’m sure that I do it too.

Speaking as a patent attorney, I’d encourage those in the “the system is so stupid, how come everyone else is so dumb and I’m so smart” chorus that your line of reasoning has been considered and dismissed by thousands more knowledgeable and likely before you were born.

Systems are never perfect because they operate under tensions from competing interests. Our job is to find the right balance. And on balance, the patent laws are doing their job. The USPTO, however, could use a lot of help.
 
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This is an area Trump should step in if he wants to help American business. Kill all the patent trolls. Change the law so that if you don’t actually use the patent within a certain number of years, you lose the rights to it. Also get rid of patents for too broad and obvious use.

That’s just silly. Even Apple holds on to a huge portfolio of patents they don’t actually use directly in their products but can be valuable in their patent jostles with other competitors or for future potential value. In a patent settlement, often these patent usage rights are exchanged.
 
There are legitimate cases and this would not be the first time Apple is being accused of violating patents. I work with companies that hold unique patents. We’ve defended one of them recently and the company infringing stoped. Sometimes clients ask me if they should seek a U.S. patent and the answer is always the same — “only if you intent to defend it.”

I will wait to hear the details of the case against Apple before I say the guy is a “patent troll.”
 
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I will wait to hear the details of the case against Apple before I say the guy is a “patent troll.”
Indeed! We haven’t even seen the legal submissions to know just what patents and claims they are litigating on. Wait and see.
 
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Actually, no, if you have a good idea on paper and don't have the money to get a working prototype, you should still be able to patent it. BUT we need to get back to the original concept of patents, which is this:
  • You file your design with the patent office
  • They grant the patent in a timely manner (3 months or less I would say is reasonable these days)
  • The patent lasts for a certain amount of time, I know it used to be longer, but I would say 3 years would be reasonable, but some may disagree. This allows you to recapture your R&D costs and make a reasonable amount of profit.
  • After that people may not copy your idea exactly, but they may use it as a base for other products or as a part of another product without paying any royalties. They then can file for a patent on their product and the cycle starts over.
This is what the original patent concept was and it was designed this way to encourage innovation while at the same time making sure that the companies that invented stuff were able to make a profit. If we adhered strictly to this concept, I think we would see a lot more innovation and a lot fewer lawsuits. Let's stop making lawyers rich and start actually coming up with new ideas again.
I agree, a patent should help ONLY to cover r&d costs. You want to have companies invest in it rather than wait for others to copy. A time period for you to license or release a product should be limited.

To me it sound like he has patented using laser for glucose measurements. This is NOTHING new but is pursuing Apple for using a laser for heart rate monitoring.

All signs point to a patent troll, who patents common ideas in development as his own. His real name is also not Mohammed Islam, that’s just his religious name not his legal name. Again, heavily used to hide behind when in trouble or in court. It’s so generic as to make his true identity impossible.
 
If a company patients something AND they create a working prototype, but never bring it to market, I don’t have a problem with that - it shows they at least know it works and have the ability to produce. There may be reasons they don’t bring it to market and that’s okay (by me) - at least it’s not a sketch that you don’t even know if it would work.

Not quite sure what you are saying, but, and this is just my personal opinion, you SHOULD produce a saleable product if you wish to protect something.

Imagine saying I thought up the round wheel idea, and I made some wheel prototypes, but decided I'd not bother creating a final product for sale. But as I did this, no-one else can make a round wheel.

Nope. I can't agree with this.

If you wish to stop others from using some item/design/style in THEIR item for general sale, you better be also making items for sale if you wish to retain the copyright.
It hurts the billions of humans on the planet from progressing otherwise.
 
My problem is, it's more the REASONS for a patent and any potential product that is my issue.

If you think say a competitor it considering gojng down a path in the future and you come up with the idea you think they may wish to follow and you apply and get patents to screw them over, then the law should totally ignore you.

If however, you come up with an idea, and you know how it could be implemented, but don't have the money/ability to follow this thru to a final product (you were not doing it our of spite) then I feel your claim should be more valid, and you should get something if a large company wishes to use your idea.

Both cases are the same. You got a patent, and did not make the product.
But the reasons behind it, are totally different.
 
Not quite sure what you are saying, but, and this is just my personal opinion, you SHOULD produce a saleable product if you wish to protect something.

Imagine saying I thought up the round wheel idea, and I made some wheel prototypes, but decided I'd not bother creating a final product for sale. But as I did this, no-one else can make a round wheel.

Nope. I can't agree with this.

If you wish to stop others from using some item/design/style in THEIR item for general sale, you better be also making items for sale if you wish to retain the copyright.
It hurts the billions of humans on the planet from progressing otherwise.


The issue I have is not every patient does (or should) be a sellable product.

For instance, a patient could be something that enables you to sell something else - such as a machine that helps you to faster produce a sellable product. You don’t want to sell the machine that makes the items, you want to sell the items it helps produce.

Disney probably has tons of patients related to animatronics that they use to create exhibits for their parks, but aren’t interested in selling or making animatronics for others (and they don’t want their competition using their patiented tech)

Another area is technologies such as weapons - you’re not going to (necessarily) sell a weapon to everybody.

While the vast majority of patients are meant to go into products to sell, not all are. Making a law that you have to sell would have to be defined and detailed to allow for situations that a product isn’t meant to be sellable.
 
The issue I have is not every patient does (or should) be a sellable product.

For instance, a patient could be something that enables you to sell something else - such as a machine that helps you to faster produce a sellable product. You don’t want to sell the machine that makes the items, you want to sell the items it helps produce.

Disney probably has tons of patients related to animatronics that they use to create exhibits for their parks, but aren’t interested in selling or making animatronics for others (and they don’t want their competition using their patiented tech)

Another area is technologies such as weapons - you’re not going to (necessarily) sell a weapon to everybody.

While the vast majority of patients are meant to go into products to sell, not all are. Making a law that you have to sell would have to be defined and detailed to allow for situations that a product isn’t meant to be sellable.

Thanks.
I guess I meant, not so much sell-able, as you point out, but a real item that is in use as you pointed out.
Though I would say, if you come up with some product/method that's great to solve a problem/issue.

Then act a total dick and don't let anyone else use that, then the world as a whole suffers, so I'd have to consider it on a case by case bases.

EG. if you made round wheel cars for your own site/company to use, and the rest of the world could not use round wheels.
That would make you a dick and should be overruled.
 
I’m still amazed how freely people comment and pass judgement on systems where they are completely ignorant. I’m sure that I do it too.

Speaking as a patent attorney, I’d encourage those in the “the system is so stupid, how come everyone else is so dumb and I’m so smart” chorus that your line of reasoning has been considered and dismissed by thousands more knowledgeable and likely before you were born.

Systems are never perfect because they operate under tensions from competing interests. Our job is to find the right balance. And on balance, the patent laws are doing their job. The USPTO, however, could use a lot of help.

As a patent attorney, you're biased and should recuse yourself from this discussion.

And on balance, the patent laws are doing their job.

Maybe, but this isn't about balance; it's about the tech industry. Patents may work great in some fields like health, but they're an unmitigated disaster of mutually assured destruction in tech. The only party consistently served by tech patents is… oh, hang on, that's right: patent attorneys.

With such a fast-paced industry, patent law is a terrible idea, especially with a term of 20 years. Twenty years. Twenty years ago, the iPhone, iPod and even iMac weren't a thing, Mac OS X and Windows XP or even Windows 2000 weren't, Facebook hadn't launched, AOL was still huge, and instead of Wikipedia, we used Microsoft Encarta. Cellphones were just starting to pick up in the mass market, and Netscape 4 and IE 4 were the hot thing du jour.

It is absolute utter garbage to protect something tech-related for two decades.
 
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So oil companies can keep stealing patents for cleaner fuel like in the early 2000s? We need patent reform now.

No where did I suggested that, so I don’t understand your point. I am completely against people stealing patented ideas, even if those that hold the patent do not have their invention available for purchase. I agree that patent reform is needed though as “patent trolls” or people who buy a patent from those who actually developed the idea are an annoyance.
 
"Omni MedSci filed a lawsuit in the Eastern district of Texas today..."
A move that just reeks with legitimacy.
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As a patent attorney, you're biased and should recuse yourself from this discussion.
Seriously, did you read what you just wrote? "As a person with expertise on the topic, you should be quiet and let the rest of us who don't know anything about it talk."
 
Seriously, did you read what you just wrote? "As a person with expertise on the topic, you should be quiet and let the rest of us who don't know anything about it talk."

Oh sure, as soon as you can also invite a judge and a USPTO employee to the discussion.

Yes, an attorney has expertise. They also have bias.
 
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