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Apple Fails to Win U.S. Injunction Against Samsung, Previously Offered 'Scrollback' Patent License

kdarling said:
I'd feel differently if Apple also offered licensing for their other UI patents such as scroll direction lock, that they constantly try to use to stop competing sales altogether.
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So protecting one's valuable IP on shipping products from competitor theft is unseemly in your eyes?

Apple is in the hardware sales business. It's not in the squeeze-competitors-for-patent-fees-because-your-own-products-aren't-selling business (read: Microsoft).
 
It's amazing that hundreds of people are using millions of dollars, all of which indirectly coming from us the customer, to argue about how a mobile device can display a linen texture when elastically scrolling beyond the end of a document or webpage. Simply amazing. You gotta love the times we live in.
 
The Great Boony said:
God, that 'Glowing Indicator' is hideous... No wonder they stole Apples idea.
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They've gone back to the glow in 2.3.5 and got rid of the overscroll functionality (presumably this has something to do with it).
When I first saw it, I also thought it was hideous, but after a while you get used to it and it works well.
 
MacAudioPro said:
Are we all supposed to be impressed by your amazing command of the English Language and hit the thumbs up button on your post to make you feel superior???

OK, congratulations, you've corrected a grammatical error on an Internet Blog.
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All those readers who don't use English as their first language appreciate such corrections very much. It used to be that reading a lot would give you a good command of the English language eventually; on the internet that is unfortunately not so. So _I_ am not impressed, but I appreciate the effort. And every little bit helps.


ChazUK said:
Overscroll on a washer/dryer or microwave... Intriguing ! :p
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The next time you eat tomato soup, try stirring it, then take the spoon out and watch carefully: Just before the soup comes to rest, it actually rotates back a bit. Nowadays this is called "overscroll" :)
 
re original article

obviously this judge lucy koh does not read macrumors enough to know almost everybody loves to rip off aapl great designs and concepts
 
I wonder what will be the payments in final settlement for a UI patent like over scroll bounce, when there are thousands of patents involved in making a smart phone and also considering the fact there are substitutes available. How will the court be able to decide upon the contribution of this patent on profits/sales of Smart phones?

I am pretty sure that Samsung will be found infringing over this patent in final trial as they have not been able to put potent arguments over its validity in any of the courts yet despite having best lawyers with them.
 
LagunaSol said:
So protecting one's valuable IP on shipping products from competitor theft is unseemly in your eyes?
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I guess for you, people shouldn't be allowed to stand on the shoulders of giants, to use, improve, and expand upon good ideas. They should be trampled underfoot by them.

Unless, of course, you like the company that's using someone else's idea. Then it's totally cool and completely natural, right? Samsung using overscroll? THE THIEVING BASTARDS! THEY DESERVE TO BURN IN HELL! Apple's very Android-like notification system in iOS 5? Well...you know...uhh...
 
Many MR members are left wondering - where can they downvote the judge. That explains the lack of comments. :D
 
kdarling said:
- A lack of confidence about that patent's validity. Better to try to get some easy money out of it, than to lose the patent altogether.
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This could very well be the reason Samsung implemented it and refused to license it from Apple. They are probably confident that they can beat the validity in court and the license is more expensive than the lawyers it would require.

The injunction would have probably went a long way into forcing their hands, making this a much bigger loss for Apple if at trial, Samsung can prove the patent is invalid.

Though in the end, Samsung implementing this UI tweak is not what is impacting sales in a major way for either company.
 
I don't know how many of you bothered to read the judgment before pulling out the tried and true arguments:

"Apple should stop litigating and get back to innovating."
"Competition is good."
"Stop being such a patent troll, Apple."

For the most part, the reason the judge refused to grant a PRELIMINARY injunction was because the judge failed to see evidence of significant harm to Apple that would result from Samsung selling its products.

Also, the judge commented on the likelihood of Apple winning on each patent. The judge seemed to indicate that Apple has a case for their scrollback patent.
 
LagunaSol said:
So protecting one's valuable IP on shipping products from competitor theft is unseemly in your eyes?

Apple is in the hardware sales business. It's not in the squeeze-competitors-for-patent-fees-because-your-own-products-aren't-selling business (read: Microsoft).
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I thought they're all in the making money business.
 
ChazUK said:
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It works well in motion (something that is difficult to show in a static screenshot). Once you reach the end of a list or page you get a subtle pulse of blue (used to be orange in Gingerbread) to indicate you've reached the end.

It's nice to see something different rather than having things bouncing all over the place.
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Have a movie of it?

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LagunaSol said:
So protecting one's valuable IP on shipping products from competitor theft is unseemly in your eyes?

Apple is in the hardware sales business. It's not in the squeeze-competitors-for-patent-fees-because-your-own-products-aren't-selling business (read: Microsoft).
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Fastest selling OS (win 7)
Fastest selling consumer electronic device (Kinect)
Fastest selling business software (Office)

Gotta suck selling as poorly as MSFT :rolleyes:
 
MacRumors said:
...declined to issue an injunction because of a lack of evidence that Apple would suffer irreparable harm if Samsung were allowed to continue selling the products while the case was being heard.
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Woah. Judge basically saying that Samsung is no threat to Apple, so no need for pre-emptive injunction.
 
gnasher729 said:
All those readers who don't use English as their first language appreciate such corrections very much. It used to be that reading a lot would give you a good command of the English language eventually; on the internet that is unfortunately not so. So _I_ am not impressed, but I appreciate the effort. And every little bit helps.




The next time you eat tomato soup, try stirring it, then take the spoon out and watch carefully: Just before the soup comes to rest, it actually rotates back a bit. Nowadays this is called "overscroll" :)
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This is very true. And worse, my English actually deteriorated quite a bit after i starting hanging out with too many Americans on IRC. Damn interwebz!

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damir00 said:
Woah. Judge basically saying that Samsung is no threat to Apple, so no need for pre-emptive injunction.
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No, Judge is basically saying that any wrong-doing would not be irreparable.

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Oletros said:
For example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoYkjepYWBI&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Thank you!
 
divinox said:
Fastest selling OS (win 7)
Fastest selling consumer electronic device (Kinect)
Fastest selling business software (Office)

Gotta suck selling as poorly as MSFT :rolleyes:
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Unfortunately in this particular thread we're not talking about Win 7 patents, Kinect patents, or Office patents. We're talking about smartphone patents, a market in which Microsoft products are nearly irrelevant - thus Microsoft's "willingness" to license their patents to competitors. Which is what my point addresses.
 
LagunaSol said:
Unfortunately in this particular thread we're not talking about Win 7 patents, Kinect patents, or Office patents. We're talking about smartphone patents, a market in which Microsoft products are nearly irrelevant - thus Microsoft's "willingness" to license their patents to competitors. Which is what my point addresses.
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Except, you said:

Apple is in the hardware sales business. It's not in the squeeze-competitors-for-patent-fees-because-your-own-products-aren't-selling business (read: Microsoft).

You didn't say: Apple is in the smartphone sales business. Its not in the squeeze-competitors-for-patent-fees-because-your-own-smarthpones-aren't-selling business (read: Microsoft).

Also, MSFT seems equally willing to license their patents in the general computing space as they are in the mobile space. So.. yeah.
 
divinox said:
Except, you said:

Apple is in the hardware sales business. It's not in the squeeze-competitors-for-patent-fees-because-your-own-products-aren't-selling business (read: Microsoft).

You didn't say: Apple is in the smartphone sales business. Its not in the squeeze-competitors-for-patent-fees-because-your-own-smarthpones-aren't-selling business (read: Microsoft).

Also, MSFT seems equally willing to license their patents in the general computing space as they are in the mobile space. So.. yeah.
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I didn't think I needed to designate my comments as smartphone-related when this entire thread is...smartphone-related. :rolleyes:

As for Microsoft's willingness to license its technology - you don't seem to know much about Microsoft's history. I assume MS has offered to license Kinect to Sony, right? :rolleyes:
 
ChazUK said:
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It works well in motion (something that is difficult to show in a static screenshot). Once you reach the end of a list or page you get a subtle pulse of blue (used to be orange in Gingerbread) to indicate you've reached the end.

It's nice to see something different rather than having things bouncing all over the place.
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I agree, I actually prefer the glowing indicator, it doesn't look bad at all
 
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