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Hopefully they step up the game with software. The amount of issues and glitches is unbelievable. There is nothing working as it should in the ecosystem.
Stuff not syncing, AirPods not connecting, Siri giving errors, HomeKit not responding properly and the list is endless.

Plus, hopefully they start taking some bold risks again, like in the great Job’s era.

I honestly see a future decline in Apple.
After all also Nokia was once unimaginable to fall off the top position, the rest is history.
 
Hopefully they step up the game with software. The amount of issues and glitches is unbelievable. There is nothing working as it should in the ecosystem.
Stuff not syncing, AirPods not connecting, Siri giving errors, HomeKit not responding properly and the list is endless.

Plus, hopefully they start taking some bold risks again, like in the great Job’s era.

I honestly see a future decline in Apple.
After all also Nokia was once unimaginable to fall off the top position, the rest is history.

Yet everything works great between all of my dozen+ Apple devices.
 
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I don't know what you can do to make a phone exciting, to me they are all boring rectangles with good cameras.
Think outside the box... why has to be like this? They should have moving to New concepts (apple vision line, maybe). They are selling the same product since 2008.
I just bought a 16 pro coming from a 7 (non plus) and guess what? Better display, cameras and usual stuff, but absolutely the same thing... Next revolution is being AI, and apple seems to be far behind on that. Will see
 
I don't know what you can do to make a phone exciting, to me they are all boring rectangles with good cameras.
Well yeah, that's a bit of the problem isn't it? Go back a decade, and they were all sorts of different - flip phones, sliders, candybar, and even the "slabs" were differentiated via different styles of buttons on-screen and below-screen buttons.

Now, phones are all slab style with on-screen buttons. They're boring.
 
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It has begun. Apple sells the same product with no major changes for forever now. AI changes the user experience and turns smartphone in different devices. Apple Intelligence is crap and Siri was fun when it first shipped with iPhone 4s.

iP17 will be thinner. THINNER!!!! OMG, the old Apple game you know. Thinner, not foldable - others might say „but it will bend for sure“, which might be true.

I really would like to use the Pixel 9 pro (fold?), but it won‘t work with my AW and it can‘t do iCloud copy and paste - which could be fixable …
Nothing stopping you getting the pixel watch and the one drive 😊
 
And it will fall even further. Chinese manufacturers at least are trying something new. Their AI features are useful to a degree, collaboration with all sorts of brands, and currently most important thing is they are introducing new battery tech and batteries with large capacity, like 6000mAh with no penalties on the device size. For example check Oppo Find x8 Pro. Huawei has a well integrated ecosystem, one would argue superior to Apple’s. Others are catching up and making their own things.

One thing keeping me on iPhone currently is better privacy and security. Not hardware, not software, but those features. If Android based phone come out with matching privacy and security features I will gladly migrate for something new.
Android is as safe as iOS. Same settings, same features for safety. The user can make it unsafe. Depending on what you do with your mobile phone.
 
I don't know what you can do to make a phone exciting, to me they are all boring rectangles with good cameras.
That can change the industrial design a bit to make it look identifiably different from the model 2-3year models ago.. Change of lines for an aesthetics that started with the iPhone 11 models.

I had the 11 Pro Max & 13 Pro Max before my current 16 Pro Max. They're hardly different sans each generation's unique paint color.

Introducing an 1-inch image sensors then couple that with Apple's computational photography may improve image quality to at par with full frame image sensors?
 
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The benefits of WiFi 7 compared to WiFi 6 are big. I believe every snapdragon includes a WiFi 7 chip these days.

WiFi 7 can handle more devices and has bigger range.

It’s like saying: i don’t need 5g, 4g is just fine to me.

WiFi 7 is good when you have a WiFi 7 router. The routers available to consumers are still MIMO 4x4. So, theoretically, you could get 9.6Gbps on the 320Mhz channel under ideal conditions (i.e. standing next to the router). That's twice as fast as you will get from WiFi 6e on the 160Mhz channel. Of course, if your router is connected to the internet at anything lower than 4.8Gbps (which is probably 99.9% of home connections) you will notice no difference between 7 and 6e when accessing the internet.
 
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Think outside the box... why has to be like this? They should have moving to New concepts (apple vision line, maybe). They are selling the same product since 2008.
I just bought a 16 pro coming from a 7 (non plus) and guess what? Better display, cameras and usual stuff, but absolutely the same thing... Next revolution is being AI, and apple seems to be far behind on that. Will see
Pixel, Samsung, Huawei all provide the same experience. What were you expeciting the 16 to do? It's a personal computer that makes phone calls. A laptop in 2008 that is replaced with a current one will provide the same mundane experience for you.
 
That can change the industrial design a bit to make it look identifiably different from the model 2-3year models ago.. Change of lines for an aesthetics that started with the iPhone 11 models.

I had the 11 Pro Max & 13 Pro Max before my current 16 Pro Max. They're hardly different sans each generation's unique paint color.

Introducing an 1-inch image sensors then couple that with Apple's computational photography may improve image quality to at par with full frame image sensors?
I know what you're saying but there isn't a lot they can do with the shape of it, all cell phone makers are in the same boat, unless they come out with the Sabre Pyramid?

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WiFi 7 is good when you have a WiFi 7 router. The routers available to consumers are still MIMO 4x4. So, theoretically, you could get 9.6Gbps on the 320Mhz channel under ideal conditions (i.e. standing next to the router). That's twice as fast as you will get from WiFi 6e on the 160Mhz channel. Of course, if your router is connected to the internet at anything lower than 4.8Gbps (which is probably 99.9% of home connections) you will notice no difference between 7 and 6e when accessing the internet.
Yeah, WiFi 7 means nothing to almost everyone out there right now. If it means something to anyone reading this, you’re in the absolute minority. Five years from now you’ll probably be part of a slightly bigger minority who it matters to and it will be standard so you have it if you need it.
 
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I know what you're saying but there isn't a lot they can do with the shape of it, all cell phone makers are in the same boat, unless they come out with the Sabre Pyramid?

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Candybar form factor or even clamshell standards started in the 90s or earlier.

What I am speaking about is the lines and other aesthetics instead of iPhone 11 Pro Max

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iPhone 13 Pro Max

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iPhone 16 Pro Max

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We can attempt strikingly different like

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Here is a photo of some of the 1st 21 iPhones from 2007 to 2019... I can easily ID which one's what based on the shapes and lines... while from 2019 to 2024 iPhones... they're roughly the same.

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I'm holding onto my AirPods, iPad, Watch & Macbook until its final OS security update unless silicon-carbon batteries increases mAh while maintaining same dimensions and weight.
 
Sure but like I said, its rectangle. What does the Huawei offer that the iPhone doesn't? I think I'm turning into an old man because I have an iPhone 15 Pro, the camera is great, I use it for work not really gaming, watching videos. I wish the island was smaller, but I find it handy to go back to whatever media I was playing and some other features hidden in the island. These guys have a dot, Apple has the island.

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I am 100% sure that because iPhone 16 Pro Max looks almost exactly the same as 12, more and more people does not want to go deeper in hardware / software changes. "Its just another iPhone....boring....". Its shallow for technology expert, but for very normal for non-IT users.

My point is not difference between Huwei latest vs. iPhone latest but Huawei's progression through models, year after year. For example Pura 70 Ultra has mechanically extruding lens so it can exploit its large sensor even better. If Apple would introduce something like that, half of the audience would have heart attack on the spot.
 
Why doesn't Apple leave the China market? What's the point of dealing with all of the problems?
 
Not true in Japan, iPhone is most - in fact Japan and UK had the highest rate of iPhone users in the world two years ago. Haven’t checked on what has changed. In flagship devices, Apple wins almost everywhere except a few Asian countries.
The data I can find seems to disagree:



I did see the following which supports Japan having a high iOS adoption. However, it also claims iOS has >80% penetration in North Korea, so make of that what you will...

 
Or possibly apple had a strategy in place for the last few years and this was their plan anyway.
So I guess I’m upgrading my 14 Pro to a redesigned (for better or worse) 17 Pro this year. I wonder if it will get a mechanical aperture which could result in only two lenses??? This could be the base 17 with only one lens.
 


Apple has experienced a significant decline in iPhone sales in China, dropping from the leading position to third place in the country's smartphone market during the fourth quarter of 2024.

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According to a new report from Counterpoint Research, iPhone shipments in China fell by 18.2% year-on-year in the final quarter of 2024. This decline resulted in a 17.1% market share for the company, placing it behind Huawei and Xiaomi, which captured 18.1% and 17.2% of the market, respectively. The fall comes just a year after Apple held the top position in the market with a 19% share. This is apparently the first time since the U.S. ban on Huawei that Apple has been displaced by its Chinese competitor.

Apple's reduced performance in China has been attributed to several factors, including heightened competition from domestic brands and its inability to bring Apple Intelligence to the region. While Apple Intelligence was introduced alongside the iPhone 16 lineup in September 2024 in the United States, it has not been made available in China due to regulatory constraints. The company is believed to be partnering with Chinese companies to deliver the features at a later date. Huawei's strong growth in the fourth quarter—up 15.5% year-on-year—has been largely credited to AI features in its flagship Mate 70 devices and the mid-range Nova 13 series.

It is also of note that China's smartphone market experienced a 3.2% year-on-year decline in the fourth quarter of 2024, marking the only quarter of the year with negative growth. Despite these obstacles, Apple maintained its position as the third-largest smartphone brand in China for the quarter, and its sales were closely matched with Xiaomi, which recorded a 17.2% market share.

Article Link: Apple Falls to Third Place in China's Smartphone Market Amid Sales Decline
Just because number of units sold does not tell the complete story.
Items to consider:
1. The total $ sales of each brand.
2. Profit margin per phone sold
3. Future paid services to each phone sold. Apple IPhone users purchase more apps/services then Android phones.

The above data for items above are difficult to find out.
 
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