apple fans dont understand business

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  1. NateJamesMeyers macrumors member

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    Right now almost everyone on this forum (and sometimes even me :p ) has said at some point that the ipad is perfect and doesnt need to be changed at all. Now this is good and well... partly true. theres no real competition to the ipad. even though the xoom is as good if not better. apple needs to believe that the ipad has real competition, once we can make them believe that theyll be forced to bust out with some amazing new features for the ipad. but if we keep telling them its perfect the way it is... its never gonna get any better.. a 1 mega pixel camera isnt helping either :cool:
     
  2. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    Yes, apple develops their products in secret for months at a time before release....based on the complaints from the public of the device they have never seen.

    Technology marches forward because that is how money is made, not because people weren't fully satisfied with what they had.
     
  3. baummer macrumors 6502a

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    The iPad 3 will likely have some "revolutionary features", as you put it. Apple is making a smart move by doing just enough of an upgrade to wet the appetite.
     
  4. Mattstkc macrumors 6502a

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    the price level was more important to maintain than it was to cram an 8 MP camera in it and a retina display in it.

    Tech isn't cheap. Apple makes a great device affordable and with no competition at ALL in the price department they can do whatever they want and it will sell. They understand business.
     
  5. NateJamesMeyers thread starter macrumors member

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    Yeah I totally agree with this.. just like the ipod nano. they added video capabilities with the 3rd generation, that was soo cool back then:D
     
  6. AZREOSpecialist macrumors 68000

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    Your post shows that you know absolutely nothing about business. Succeeding in business has nothing to do with being "better" or having the "better" product. If that were the case, Betamax should have won over VHS. But that clearly did not happen.

    Success in business is all about successful sales & marketing strategies, much less about having the better product.
     
  7. foodle macrumors 6502

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    Who cares if Apple fans understand business, as long as Apple understands business. They are making nearly half of all cellphone profits worldwide. I think they understand business fine.
     
  8. pugnut macrumors 6502a

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    I really think these people are paid to post crap. It woudl help if they had a minimum of a clue. Compare the Market Cap of Apple and any other company in the space. Business is about making money and building shareholder value and Apple leads the pack for a reason.
     
  9. poloponies macrumors 68030

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    It's not a matter of being perfect, it's performance/value. At a $499 price point (let's face it, they're all effectively the $499 model) they need to balance out feature sets to keep it at budget. IF a new high-end iPad appears near year-end, you can bet your bottom dollar that it will be a top-dollar item.

    So does Apple "hold back" features? Sure, the same way Lexus and Toyota and Cadillac and Volvo omit features to hit price points.
     
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    well that and hour long tape limits for Betamax. Betamax is awesome and still heavily used in local, regional, and national news production (I've worked for a couple TV stations so I would know). DVD quality video on a reusable, timecode friendly format.
     
  12. 9OOYO macrumors regular

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    Apple Fans

    Apple's iPad is expected to hold onto 70 percent to 80 percent of the tablet market through 2011. Those are pretty mighty numbers considering how much competition there is. And they have done so without utilizing Flash (something people felt would be a dealbreaker for many).

    One thing that Apple is doing is integrating technology into the mainstream like no other company has. Think about iPods and their clones, iPhones and their clones.....the truth is, withouth Apple making such a great and user friendly device the Droid may not even exist!

    As a user of both Mac and PC for audio recording, I have to say that my experience with Mac is better.

    Apple fans may not know about business but they know when they buy Apple, they will get a device that will work and work well. Plus it will be pretty damned slick.

    Obviously, with the 70-80% market share the iPad is expected to hold there may be more Apple fans than you think.

    (70-80 is a HUGE number in business).
     
  13. vrDrew macrumors 65816

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    I think Apple understands business pretty well.

    To succede in business it is not necessary to make a *perfect* product. Perfection is, in any case, more of a metaphysical concept than a realistic business goal. To succede in business one most merely produce a product whose perceived benefits to the customer outweigh the perceived costs of acquiring it. This is something Apple seems to do better than any other company in tech.

    One other concept that people seem to get wrong all the time is the concept that Apple "needs competition" to keep improving their product. This is false, or at least a mis-reading of the situation.

    Apple's main motivation for future products, the things they are working on right now, is to sell Macs or iPhones or iPads or some other (as yet unreleased) product to people in 2012, or 2015. But do you think - for a second - that Apple is looking at the Xoom, or the Galaxy Tab, or the Playbook for inspiration? Are they picking apart Honeycomb source code, and saying "Gosh, we ought to do it just like these guys did.."?

    No: Apple's competition, be they Google or Motorola or HP, are followers. They are not innovators, at least in the tablet space.

    If Apple allowed their products to stagnate, eventually (and pretty soon, if most tech trends are to be believed) sales of iPads and iPhones would dry up. Everybody who wanted a First Gen iPad would have already bought one. And since they weren't adding new capabilities, there would be little incentive for new buyers to come along. Apple would be left selling replacement iPads to people who'd broken or lost their old ones.

    Quite frankly, at this point the main benefit Apple has gotten from their "competition" is how good they look in comparison.

    The second point I think most people don't understand about business in general, and engineering in particular, is that it involves compromises.

    When it comes to building a product, any feature that you put in - from a tiny camera to a few extra lines of code - has a cost. Not just a cost in terms of buying the components or writing the code. But a cost in terms of performance, of weight, of additional software instability.

    Every time I read someone whining that the iPad doesn't have USB ports, or a visible file system, or support for handwriting recognition - I realize that this person just doesn't get it. That if Apple had loaded up the original iPad with a tenth of the junk people complained it didn't have originally - then they'd be stuck with another $1400 dinosaur, gathering dust on the shelves along with all the other Tablet-PCs that went before.
     
  14. nvcplus macrumors regular

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    Arguable the reason that makes Apple so great is that they give you all of the above.
     
  15. alent1234 macrumors 603

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    this is going to be like iphone vs android where it took until the Droid to get decent competition. and even then iphone was still same price or cheaper. 2011 is the first year with decent android phones that are much cheaper than the iphone.

    until this happens in tablets, don't expect competition
     
  16. Carouser macrumors 65816

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    I haven't read this from anybody. All I know is if I thought the iPad needed to be changed I wouldn't have bought it at all. Does that mean I think it's perfect? It means I think it is worth in value what it costs me. It's dumb to buy something if you are going to perpetually feel like it is lacking. Who does this?

    Also, if they release a new iPad that does different things that better suits my needs, I can buy that iPad without being hypocritical. It's possible to say 'the current product works well and is worth the cost, therefore Apple did it right by definition' without implying 'no future products with similarities to this product could ever be useful'.
     
  17. aluren macrumors 65816

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    Yeah I think competition is finally starting to pick up with the Xoom, and soon the Playbook, HP, Samsung, etc... Once we hear glowing reviews of them, the iPad 3 will come out and squash all of their efforts. So to me, the first iPad was like the salad in a full course meal. The iPad 2 is like the fried calamari, better than the salad but still an appetizer. The main course comes with iPad 3.
     
  18. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    I really don't think the Xoom is much of a threat. The upcoming Galaxy Tab refresh however may prove to battle with the iPad for thinnest tablet, and hopefully they didn't make ridiculous compromises to get there.

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  19. Mattstkc macrumors 6502a

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    if they have to have a bump for the headphone jack they're doing it wrong
     
  20. poloponies macrumors 68030

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    (Psssttt...the other guys will also be making newer versions of their tablets going forward...)
     
  21. NateJamesMeyers thread starter macrumors member

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    MAN im good at making controversial topics. im just saying some competition would be good for everyone. dont be such fanboys guys ;)
     
  22. Sketchr macrumors 6502a

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    yeah, some of us understand and have very a profitable biz... :D

    I don't believe I've heard anyone claim the iPad is perfect. But, right now it appears to be the most useful tablet on the market compared to the competition.
     
  23. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    All you did was pull a statement out of the air with no reason, then ranted against it.

    @Matt: Yea its an odd choice, I don't know how thats gonna play out ergonomically or when laying it down, but it shows that device definitely is thin. Aesthetically speaking, its a bad choice, might even become known as the Galaxy Tumor :p
     
  24. meder87 macrumors regular

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    What he said
     
  25. 9OOYO macrumors regular

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    The current Galaxy has like 6 hours of battery life....pffftt
     

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