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apple fans dont understand business
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To be fair, in the pre-iPhone days the majority of phones had some weird mini headphone jack where the actual metal was smaller and or in a different shape. At least you could carve other headphones down for the first gen iPhone.
Really? Relatively new to the forum, as am I (but not to Apple products) and this is your idea of good post? One of the most profitable and admired companies in the world and you're going to lecture on their business model? Comical.
First, I have an MBA and I am an Apple fan. I think I have a pretty darn good understanding of business.
Second, the opinions of Apple fans in no way dictates the direction of Apple. We have been shouting for a retina display & larger capacities. We got neither. Sometimes they listen (cut & paste ring a bell?), but when your are the #1 seller of tablets by 10,000% over the closest competitor, they will serve up the gruel they want to serve & the fanboys will eat it up like baby birds.
Second, the opinions of Apple fans in no way dictates the direction of Apple. We have been shouting for a retina display & larger capacities. We got neither. Sometimes they listen (cut & paste ring a bell?), but when your are the #1 seller of tablets by 10,000% over the closest competitor, they will serve up the gruel they want to serve & the fanboys will eat it up like baby birds.
They taught nothing in B school about profitability then? Retina displays and larger capacity comes at added cost (and in the case of the retina display added drain on the battery which then requires a larger batter, heavier weight and -- more added cost. Feel free to ask for a chinchilla case and diamond-studded exterior while you're at it. Apple needs to keep itself competitive on price, it needs to keep their devices sufficiently distinct so they don't lose a $1,200 MBA sale to a $599 iPad, AND they need to keep reporting increasing quarterly profits to keep Wall Street happy. It really is starting to look like you're the one who doesn't understand business.
Thanks for enlightening us on how things really work. Only fifteen million iPads sold in a years time, obviously Apple hasn't got a clue.Right now almost everyone on this forum (and sometimes even me) has said at some point that the ipad is perfect and doesnt need to be changed at all. Now this is good and well... partly true. theres no real competition to the ipad. even though the xoom is as good if not better. apple needs to believe that the ipad has real competition, once we can make them believe that theyll be forced to bust out with some amazing new features for the ipad. but if we keep telling them its perfect the way it is... its never gonna get any better.. a 1 mega pixel camera isnt helping either
I had the Xoom. It's not as good and certainly not better. I find it strange that you keep creating Xoom threads here. Why?
It doesn't matter what hardware Samsung rolls out, if the software just isn't ready for it yet.
Apple understands the consumer electronics market far better than anyone else. There understanding is built on, well their understanding, not customer feedback or in reaction to the competition. Their business philosophy was best summed up by something Steve, or maybe it was Jonathan Ives once said "Apple doesn't do focus groups"
I think apple really understand business... because tomorrow they are getting my money for iPad 2 and not the Xoom.
Xoom is not as good or better.
Apple ships, droids drool.
Exactly.
Seems to be a case of a clueless poster don't understand business.
Apple ships, droids drool.
Exactly.
Seems to be a case of a clueless poster don't understand business.
Right now almost everyone on this forum (and sometimes even me
give people some credit ... we all know every tech item will improve at a later date.
people just want what is available now
Perhaps I was not eloquent enough in my post, and I can understand that because I used the term "we begged..." when I should have said "some of the less informed begged..." in regards to people wanting new features. Basically you both to validated my point anyway.
While some/many Apple fans may beg for features, Apple Inc. will put what is most cost effective in their devices. I don't think that they deliberately hold back on features so they can release it in the next version. I think that there is not a retina display & a 128 GB version because Apple would not be able to sell the iPad 2 for the same price as the original. They are not going to cut their margins in half just to roll out something new in the iPad 2.
Thus, the fanboys (and girls) will cry, bitch, and moan over these cost prohibitive upgrades being absent, but they will still line up to buy the newest version despite their objections. When you have that kind of selling power, Jony Ive is dead on...why even bother with focus groups?
In all of my business classes, I can't recall being taught to be business savvy as a customer. Hmm?? I tend to agree with my business professors in keeping the supply and demand at it's peak level and having over 90% of the market share is pretty much keeping up with the supply and demand.
All the customers need to do is ooh and ahh along the way to feed them. Ohh and not let us forget what keeps the market fresh and thriving as well...ZOOMS!!! and other competitors. So yes android, windows, dell and who ever else, please do keep em comin as that will keep our prices competitive as well as the technology.
We as customers are hungry by nature for constant improvement and wanting to see something new so I think Apple has a pretty good handle on this thing they call electronics and technology.
All the customers need to do is ooh and ahh along the way to feed them. Ohh and not let us forget what keeps the market fresh and thriving as well...ZOOMS!!! and other competitors. So yes android, windows, dell and who ever else, please do keep em comin as that will keep our prices competitive as well as the technology.
We as customers are hungry by nature for constant improvement and wanting to see something new so I think Apple has a pretty good handle on this thing they call electronics and technology.
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MAN im good at making controversial topics. im just saying some competition would be good for everyone. dont be such fanboys guys
I agree that competition is a good thing for Apple to have. However it isn't the only business factor driving Apple. As someone has already mentioned Apple are already competing with the Apple devices people already own. That's probably the reason that the iPod Nano has seen so many form-factor changes in the last few years, it's to give people a reason to replace their existing one.
I'm also not convinced that competition is a fantastic driving force for deep innovation. Competition is great for driving prices down and refining an idea but I think taking the big steps requires clarity that the battlefield of competition doesn't provide. If look at the history of the smartphone until recently they have been mostly terrible. The highlights have been the Blackberry, which brought easy access to email, and the iPhone, which brought general purposing computing to a small factor in a way that normal people could use. Both of those highlights came from new entrants to the market and not from competition driving incremental improvements.