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I'm curious to know how Apple will implement a file system, particularly when you cannot multitask how could you take an image off Google and import it into your presentation or Pages document?

This file system thing is key for me. I would love to use this as a dedicated .pdf reader as I currently live under a huge paper pile of journal articles, but I need some way to organise them.


Bingo. I have well over a hundred Chemistry papers on my desk. I have them sort of organized on my macbook pro using folders and endnote, but it isn't very good.
 
Looks like a poor man's laptop/desktop to me. Just awful example. Everything this guy does cold be done on a laptop but easier, much faster and better.

Umm ok whatever. People on this thread were talking about using the iPad as a paper notepad. That's what this app does. So how is this a bad example?
 
Umm ok whatever. People on this thread were talking about using the iPad as a paper notepad. That's what this app does. So how is this a bad example?

I say it's a bad example because iPad is supposed to be a new class of devices meaning that is is better at something than the existing devices (iPhone or laptop). This particular application proves only one thing - you do not want to use iPad instead of your laptop for this kind of application.
 
iWorks on iPad

I still can't believe we're getting authoring tools from Apple in the first version of the iPad!

Anyone have an idea of how big these apps will be? I don't have an iPhone or iPod Touch, so never played with the apps and all. But how much space do you people keep for your apps vs your music and movies?

I'm asking because I'd like to get the smallest 16GB iPad for the first year (go for the big one year 2) and I don't know the space I'll need... Especially if we can also use he iPad as a hard drive/storage for our files/pdfs/pages/etc.
 
I can't see the built in keyboard being very useful.


No mater how you hold this device, typing without a real keyboard is going to be a pain and I doubt people will be carrying around the keyboard dock full time. This device is different than the iphone, where thumb typing with one or two hands is the best choice and works well enough because the device is small. The ipad however is much larger and thumb typing just isn't going to cut it anymore.

Quick - lets evolve faster. Get bigger hands and fingers, there is evolutionary pressure, it WILL happen. Long live Darwin!
 
Umm ok whatever. People on this thread were talking about using the iPad as a paper notepad. That's what this app does. So how is this a bad example?

Liquidsuns, I think lilo777 doesn't understand what he is seeing.

The author is obviously using a mouse on an ipad simulator. If this were in normal use, a person would use a capacitive stylus. It is obvious that the pen size is user selectable in the app and with a stylus, one could write as clear on the ipad as on a piece of paper.

I think this type of app along with an Apple provided SDK built in hand writing recognition software would be perfect for note taking on the ipad.

That way you could combine photos, clips from the internet, pdf snippets, hand writing, typed input, and hand drawn diagrams in general searchable notes.

Until Apple provides hand writing recognition, I guess you could always email to evernote and it would perform the OCR for you. It's just a pain is all.
 
This is not designed to replace a netbook, or a laptop or a desktop. It is a new device in a new sector. It's for content consumption and light content creation, why don't people get this? It was described as better than a netbook (as netbooks are crap laptops for people without any money and not good at anything), not a replacement for one.

It's 'not' designed to replace a netbook? Good, because it doesn't come close. Everyone knows a netbook can do more for less. Geez.

And this "new sector" you speak of, is it called the 10" screen sector? Because that's the same size as my netbook, which includes a tactile keyboard. Good luck touch typing at 100wpm on an iP!ss.
 
I say it's a bad example because iPad is supposed to be a new class of devices meaning that is is better at something than the existing devices (iPhone or laptop). This particular application proves only one thing - you do not want to use iPad instead of your laptop for this kind of application.

Okay, so you prefer a laptop over handwriting notes. That's cool. But you have no reason to get involved in this particular discussion if that is the case.

This is a demonstration app for the people that like using paper notepads to take notes and want that functionality on the iPad. This app shows that it's not only possible, but could, in many ways, be better by offering, among other things, quick emailing, and fast switching of pen sizes and colors.

This particular app is a first attempt by an unknown developer, so the interface could be more efficient and other shortcomings can be addressed. But it still servers to demonstrate that paper notepads can be replicated on the iPad quite easily.
 
I'm curious to know how Apple will implement a file system, particularly when you cannot multitask how could you take an image off Google and import it into your presentation or Pages document?

This file system thing is key for me. I would love to use this as a dedicated .pdf reader as I currently live under a huge paper pile of journal articles, but I need some way to organise them.

DevonTHINK

http://www.devon-technologies.com/products/devonthink/

I like the fact is has smart classifying features as well as WIKI type functionality by being able to manually link documents together (i.e. highlight some text and link it to another document) and it even supports BibTeX files properly. I organize about 3000 pdf's (journal articles) that are key to my research, it works great.

I don't think the iPad is what you are looking for (nothing against the iPad)
 
Bingo. I have well over a hundred Chemistry papers on my desk. I have them sort of organized on my macbook pro using folders and endnote, but it isn't very good.

Again DEVONthink

PS -> dump endnote. LaTeX and BibTeX all the way for science papers!
 
McGargle, I really don't need those extra features you mentioned. My notebook doesn't link things, or file notes, etc. I wanted something to literally duplicate a notebook that you can flip pages on with hand/stylus gestures on, have margins/ruled lines if you want, and keep a graphically verbatim copy of any strokes you make. Perhaps i didn't explain myself well.

No, you explained yourself great. I was just saying that merely simulating a piece of paper isn't good enough. Even at best, it's just a piece of paper, and there are big trade-offs that make it inferior to a piece of paper.

One of the prominent film critics, I think it's Roger Ebert, says his first criterion in judging a movie is to ask himself whether seeing the movie was superior to the experience of watching a blank screen for the same amount of time. Pretty low bar to get over (though some movies don't), but you've gotta start somewhere. When it comes to judging technology solutions that are meant to replace existing things, I've gotta ask myself: Is this solution superior to the thing it's replacing? A handwritten-note-taking app for an iPad does not pass that test, in my book.

Let me be clear: I'm not pooh-poohing the whole concept. I'd love a device that was superior to jotting down notes on paper! It's just that such a device does not yet exist, and I'm just not that interested in going with an inferior solution just because it's got a gee-whiz-neato aspect to it. But that's just my opinion.

Good luck touch typing at 100wpm on an iP!ss.

You stay classy there, J. Mull.
 
I get the impression that iWeb, like iDVD and maybe GarageBand, is effectively end-of-lifed. The world has moved on since iWeb was conceived. These days, the average individual puts stuff on the Web through services like Flickr and Facebook and Twitter and what's that other one Tumblr or whatever it's called. I have the sense that it's been a really long time since the average individual cared about renting out server space and putting up his own Web pages.

I agree about iWeb, because so much of what the web is today is done on sites you've mentioned, and even something a bit more in-depth (that you would actually want to modify using an iPad) would use a dedicated client, such as Wordpress, Joomla, Drupal, or Squarespace. The iPod touch already has great apps for all of those; you wouldn't need something like iWeb for it.

As for iDVD, it should be renamed to something else and allow content creation for digital download consumption aimed at devices like this and the iPhone, as well as the A-TV. Doesn't necessarily need to go away, just retargeted.

Lastly, what gives you the impression that GB would go away? It's pretty damn popular as far as I can tell, visiting various musician and home recording sites. I know of several people who've bought a Mac largely on how easy GB is as well as how easily it integrates with everything else. Plus with Podcasting being so popular, it's used by those folks too.

I think as long as Apple keeps Logic around they'll keep GB around; after all, it's kind of a Diet Logic anyway.
 
3D hands in pics?

The hands they use in all these touchscreen images (whether iPhone or iPad)...I'm sure it's just a hand model, but these hands are preternaturally perfect and symmetrical (to each other). Like mirror images they are. Does anyone thing they use 3D for some of them?
 
As for iDVD, it should be renamed to something else and allow content creation for digital download consumption aimed at devices like this and the iPhone, as well as the A-TV. Doesn't necessarily need to go away, just retargeted.

Hmm. Sort of an iCompressor, or iSqueeze kind of product? Yeah, I guess I could see that.

Creating content for (say) Youtube is harder than it really ought to be. If you've got a camera and a toddler and a Mac and iMovie (maybe? I haven't touched it in ages and ages) you've got all the tools you need, but there's still a massive gap in knowledge and understanding. Youtube and Vimeo, to their credit, will take darned near anything and convert it to a Web-viewable format, but the results are often crappy, and that leads to frustration.

And it's just going to get worse now that AVCHD and native H.264 recording are out in the wild. There's definitely a gap there.

Lastly, what gives you the impression that GB would go away? It's pretty damn popular as far as I can tell, visiting various musician and home recording sites.

You may well be right. I don't live in that world, so I was just going by the overall lack of chatter about it. I retract that one from my list.

Does anyone thing they use 3D for some of them?

Nope. Product photographers and hand models are just really, really good at what they do.
 
So you have to buy iWork for the mac and the iPad?

I hope that's not the case. Apple should allow mac users to buy the desktop version and include a copy of the iPad version. If redundancy of software purchasing is the case, the iPad could potentially become more expensive and more cumbersome to manage than a traditional desktop/laptop configuration where one set of software works for both machines.
 
Hmm. Sort of an iCompressor, or iSqueeze kind of product? Yeah, I guess I could see that.

Creating content for (say) Youtube is harder than it really ought to be. If you've got a camera and a toddler and a Mac and iMovie (maybe? I haven't touched it in ages and ages) you've got all the tools you need, but there's still a massive gap in knowledge and understanding. Youtube and Vimeo, to their credit, will take darned near anything and convert it to a Web-viewable format, but the results are often crappy, and that leads to frustration.

And it's just going to get worse now that AVCHD and native H.264 recording are out in the wild. There's definitely a gap there.

Exactly. I am not a marketing guy so I don't know what you'd name it, iContent, whatever. But changing its focus to mirror where Apple themselves are headed with media but putting in it in the hands of their customers and promoting it as a part of the "Mac Experience" would be cool.

You may well be right. I don't live in that world, so I was just going by the overall lack of chatter about it. I retract that one from my list.

It's definitely gotten to be much more powerful over the years, and they've done a good job of making it a competent entry level DAW that's very easy to use, while supporting standard AU instruments and effects, simultaneous multitracking, 24-bit, etc. I sure hope they don't can it!

Garageband on the ipad would be sick.

Can't wait for it.

But for the time being, BeatMaker will suffice

Absolutely. GB on the iPad would be very, very cool given the potential with a 9.7" touch interface. With devices like the Alesis Pro Track already out there for the iPhone, I think stuff for the iPad could definitely be taken to the next level.
 
Looks like a poor man's laptop/desktop to me. Just awful example. Everything this guy does cold be done on a laptop but easier, much faster and better.

the purpose of the app is, you can use the ipad to take some notes when you're in situations where you just cannot use a laptop and use the mouse or the trackpad to draw or type, like standing up or walking or when you dont have access to a stable surface to use a laptop. Drawing some simple lines with your fingers on a screen is probably easier and faster than getting a tiny netbook out and using your fingers on the minuscule trackpad to draw the same lines with precision while you keep the computer precariously on your lap.

This is what the tablet format is about. it is not to replace the laptop but to allow the use of computers in situations and places where a laptop is impractical or not comfortable to use.
 
When I work on iWork, I tend to use pdfs, dozens of websites (some in tabs and some in separate windows) and various documents.

Without a stable multitasking feature, my workflow will suffer so badly, that I cannot even consider any serious work on the iPad.

Even VLC would be more useful in that sense!
 
the purpose of the app is, you can use the ipad to take some notes when you're in situations where you just cannot use a laptop and use the mouse or the trackpad to draw or type, like standing up or walking or when you dont have access to a stable surface to use a laptop. Drawing some simple lines with your fingers on a screen is probably easier and faster than getting a tiny netbook out and using your fingers on the minuscule trackpad to draw the same lines with precision while you keep the computer precariously on your lap.

This is what the tablet format is about. it is not to replace the laptop but to allow the use of computers in situations and places where a laptop is impractical or not comfortable to use.

Such situations are so rare that regular pad would probably do just fine :)
 
When I work on iWork, I tend to use pdfs, dozens of websites (some in tabs and some in separate windows) and various documents.

Without a stable multitasking feature, my workflow will suffer so badly, that I cannot even consider any serious work on the iPad.
You've said - I dunno - about a hundred times that you're not buying one. Therefore, why are you commenting on the ways in which an application that you won't buy won't work for you on a device that you won't even own? We get it. It's not for you. If the iPad isn't for you, why would iWork for iPad be for you?
 
You've said - I dunno - about a hundred times that you're not buying one. Therefore, why are you commenting on the ways in which an application that you won't buy won't work for you on a device that you won't even own? We get it. It's not for you. If the iPad isn't for you, why would iWork for iPad be for you?

I think that person just wants to show examples of why the iPad might not work for others using them as an example. Perhaps secretly want to like it but disappointed in things like the flash, multitasking, price, etc. Funny post anyways.
 
Saving PDF from Safari

Hey Everyone,

Something ive been pondering, and critical to my decision:

Can i save a PDF to the iPad from its web browser (Safari)?

Scenario on Macbook Pro:
I surf along to a site which gives a link to a pdf, thereafter either opening it another window, or ordinarily downloading it to my desktop. :)

Scenario on iPad:
? :(

"The Dudeness abides"
 
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