Apple Files New German Lawsuit Targeting Ten Samsung Smartphones

[kockgunner]

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And Samsung is like the little kid who hears about your show and tell story and the tells it slightly differently but also gets credit for it.

 

[boss.king]

I would appreciate seeing even one article where a sizable number of Apple investors do not approve of the scorched earth policy.

https://www.macrumors.com/2011/12/28/apples-continued-patent-offensive-poses-risks-for-shareholders/

Found it

 

[smoledman]

https://www.macrumors.com/2011/12/28/apples-continued-patent-offensive-poses-risks-for-shareholders/

Found it

Yet in the last 6 months AAPL has gone from $364 to $420 despite investor hand-waving. Let's face it based on the parabolic EPS growth, AAPL should be at least $700 right now.

 

[*LTD*]

Actually these lawsuits result in pretty much.

The number of people fed up with Apple grows every day - including me.

I doubt you'll be able to tell from Apple's upcoming quarterly results, and Apple has been litigating against one or another company for years and years. Consumers don't care about IP litigation. They want great products. That's where it begins and ends.

 

[smoledman]

I doubt you'll be able to tell from Apple's upcoming quarterly results, and Apple has been litigating against one or another company for years and years. Consumers don't care about IP litigation. They want great products. That's where it begins and ends.

Why does the truth get down-voted?

 

[wikus]

If you can't compete, sue.

 

[*LTD*]

Apple stop innovating and has gone to litigating.

Apple seems to be doing both, actually: innovating and litigating. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

Look at what Siri has done to the industry, for instance. Look at all the interesting (and timely, such interesting timing!) industry news following Siri. Again, Siri happens to be on an Apple product.

Besides that, take a good look at what went on at CES. Apple's influence is palpable - the MacBook Air situation being just one example. It's interesting that the biggest player at CES wasn't even there. Never mind Apple's current innovations, the industry can barely keep up with Apple's past innovations. THe iPhone 3GS, for instance, still outsells a lot of newer Android models.

The industry is following almost in lock-step with Apple, and are apparently using Apple's R&D department quite liberally. I'll grant that to some degree Apple probably feels quite flattered. But at some point that has to be put aside and a real look has to be taken at the material (and brand-related) ramifications of allowing some (or in this case, one) of the biggest thieves in the industry to operate unfettered.

 

[smoledman]

If you can't compete, sue.

Apple is competing hard in PCs, dominating in smart phones, tablets, PMPs and suing the crap out of IP thieves like Samsung and HTC. Life is grand if you're Apple these days.

 

[Gasu E.]

https://www.macrumors.com/2011/12/28/apples-continued-patent-offensive-poses-risks-for-shareholders/

Found it

Not one Apple investor was quoted in that article. Just a bunch of people in the business of managing IP. So that "sizeable number of Apple investors" are still to be located.

 

[samcraig]

Apple seems to be doing both, actually: innovating and litigating. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

Look at what Siri has done to the industry, for instance. Look at all the interesting (and timely, such interesting timing!) industry news following Siri. Again, Siri happens to be on an Apple product.

Besides that, take a good look at what went on at CES. Apple's influence is palpable - the MacBook Air situation being just one example. It's interesting that the biggest player at CES wasn't even there. Never mind Apple's current innovations, the industry can barely keep up with Apple's past innovations. THe iPhone 3GS, for instance, still outsells a lot of newer Android models.

The industry is following almost in lock-step with Apple, and are apparently using Apple's R&D department quite liberally. I'll grant that to some degree Apple probably feels quite flattered. But at some point that has to be put aside and a real look has to be taken at the material (and brand-related) ramifications of allowing some (or in this case, one) of the biggest thieves in the industry to operate unfettered.

Again - that's your version of the reality distortion field.

Laptops have always been striving to be thinner, lighter and have more power. Nothing new there.

Monitor resolution has always been one of the improvements with each new screen over the years. Nothing new there.

Voice recognition and AI is also nothing new and the industry has had it for years. Nothing new there.

I am not saying Apple doesn't pioneer nor do they not innovate. But unlike you, I can at least acknowledge that the rest of the industry isn't always FOLLOWING Apple as if they are looking at what Apple is doing and copying. More often than not - companies are following the natural progression of technology.

It's the age-old battle - is it better to be first or is it better to have the better product.

 

[GoodWatch]

no you should be demanding they start receiving licensing fees from it. Right now all that happens is Apple loses money on court cost and not gaining money.

Apple is not maximizing the amount of money it can get off its IP. Instead what Apple is doing is hurting its public image and looking more and more like a patent troll.

Is it about money? I don't know the exact figure but isn't Apple sitting on 60+ billion US$ in cash already? But I agree on the public image issue. Apple is turning into 'The Man', into Big Brother. I for one don't like this.

 

[*LTD*]

no you should be demanding they start receiving licencing fees from it.

I doubt it's up him to "demand" this. Unless we're dealing with a FRAND issue, it's up to the license-holders to make a decision to license something.

Right now all that happens is Apple loses money on court cost and not gaining money.

It costs money to go after someone. Apple's legal costs don't seem to be making a huge dent in their $60 billion+. All Apple needs to do is send a clear message to competitors with their litigation: that they are serious about their IP. Thats what they seem to be doing. They certainly got Samsung to jump, didn't they. Samsung was forced to redesign their tablet. They certainly put pressure on Motorola. Motorola's warning about their quarterly expectations certainly made that clear.

Apple is not maximizing the amount of money it can get off its IP.

They seem to be doing a pretty good job of it.

http://www.cultofmac.com/105623/ama...-gdp-of-almost-23rds-of-the-worlds-countries/

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/glob...-worlds-most-valuable-company/article2125718/

Instead what Apple is doing is hurting its public image and looking more and more like a patent troll.

"More like" something . . . they aren't?

Let's at least use the right terminology!

A patent troll is one who buys and enforces patents against one or more alleged infringers, often with no intention to further develop, manufacture or market the patented invention.

Apple builds things, ergo, not a troll.

 

[swagi]

I doubt you'll be able to tell from Apple's upcoming quarterly results, and Apple has been litigating against one or another company for years and years. Consumers don't care about IP litigation. They want great products. That's where it begins and ends.

Actually - yeah, I see my rather elitist Mac-using crowd being washed out to a dumbed down hype fed consumer idiot joe blow crowd that takes everything being spoon-fed by the spirit of the turtlenecked overlord.

And I will enjoy your reality-distorted posts, when you give Apple credit for having a monster selling thin laptop that is so innovative and has defined a new category of laptop bla - while I just think to myself that the Macbook Air would still be a major flop if Apple hadn't EOL'ed the original Macbook.

I just don't see the point in buying a Windows PC for ripping my Blu-Rays to enjoy them on my Mac portable. Or do you really advise me to go the pirate route? I mean - you can't honestly advise me to buy another dumbed down copy of the content on iTunes, or do you?

And to anyone digging out the "Mac OS X is oh so stable"-myth. Try telling me that after using Line6 equipment in Garage Band. Yeah - real fun twinking around in PodFarm, and just having found the major sound you like...the oh so seamless Mac randomly and all of a sudden gets a dark greyish screen displaying the power button icon and demands a restart in nearly every major language on the planet.

Crashes DO HAPPEN on OS X and they are as annoying as on the dark side.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

Look at what Siri has done to the industry, for instance. Look at all the interesting (and timely, such interesting timing!) industry news following Siri. Again, Siri happens to be on an Apple product.

I see your standard RDF is in place.

Siri is nothing new nor special. Sorry but it is not much above the Google voice search and voice system on Android.
So much for that. Sorry but Siri did not bring anything big or really special to the table. For Apple it was a better voice control system from the joke of what they had. It is not that big of a step above what Android has had for years.

But RDF you seem to live in seem to think other wise.

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Is it about money? I don't know the exact figure but isn't Apple sitting on 60+ billion US$ in cash already? But I agree on the public image issue. Apple is turning into 'The Man', into Big Brother. I for one don't like this.

but that was not what I was replaying to. Read again. He said a share holder should demand they protected aka maximize profit. Currently Apple is failing big time to maximize profits off its IP.

The entire point was to kill off the share holder crap that some people seem to like to post. What I pointed out was a massive flaw in that argument and pointing out Apple is failing to maximize profits off its IP.

 

[smoledman]

Actually - yeah, I see my rather elitist Mac-using crowd being washed out to a dumbed down hype fed consumer idiot joe blow crowd that takes everything being spoon-fed by the spirit of the turtlenecked overlord.

Are you telling me that the average PC joe blow is more intelligent then Apple buyers? They're all the same tech-ignorant crowd.

And I will enjoy your reality-distorted posts, when you give Apple credit for having a monster selling thin laptop that is so innovative and has defined a new category of laptop bla - while I just think to myself that the Macbook Air would still be a major flop if Apple hadn't EOL'ed the original Macbook.

You don't understand. It was the MBA's popularity that EOL'ed the original Macbook.

 

[*LTD*]

I see your standard RDF is in place.

Siri is nothing new nor special.

The industry certainly seems to think so.

Sorry but it is not much above the Google voice search and voice system on Android.

Were it not for Siri, would we really be seeing this news?

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/google-majel-rival-apple-voice-174338697.html

http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/12/13/google.may.boost.voice.search.through.majel.engine/

And that's just from Google. Suddenly, mysteriously, we're seeing the competition talk about voice-control everything-else, like TVs.

Innovation has a tendency to make responses like that happen. You can certainly attach some other label to it if you like, but it won't lessen the impact.

So much for that. Sorry but Siri did not bring anything big or really special to the table.

Tell that to consumers, the industry that is now abuzz with Siri talk, and Apple's competitors who have all of a sudden, mysteriously, by sheer, magical coincidence, begun all the voice-control/Siri discussions in earnest, right after the iPhone 4S' debut.

What a coincidence! They really seem to be piling up these days. Usually after Apple releases a hit product.

Sounds like a response to innovation.

For Apple it was a better voice control system from the joke of what they had. It is not that big of a step above what Android has had for years.

I don't recall there being but even a 1/100th of an interest in Android's system before Siri (nor really after it.)

But RDF you seem to live in seem to think other wise.

These days, the "RDF" is just the "R." Consumer tech industry Reality is increasingly Apple-defined. Just refer to this year's CES.

 

[smoledman]

Were it not for Siri, wold we really be seeing this news?
Tell that to consumers, the industry that is now abuzz with Siri talk, and Apple's competitors who have all of a sudden, mysteriously, by sheer, magical coincidence, begun all the voice-control/Siri discussions in earnest, right after the iPhone 4S' debut.

What a coincidence! They really seem to be piling up these days. Usually after Apple releases a hit product.

Sounds like a response to innovation.

You mean like Microsoft's TellMe which debuted months ahead of Siri. Your RDF is at full power my friend.

http://www.winrumors.com/windows-phone-siri-like-features-how-do-they-compare-video/

Microsoft’s future Tellme speech recognition is a lot more personal and more aligned with Apple’s Siri features. Microsoft demonstrated some of its future speech recognition in Windows Phone in August.

 

[*LTD*]

You mean like Microsoft's TellMe which debuted months ahead of Siri. Your RDF is at full power my friend.

http://www.winrumors.com/windows-phone-siri-like-features-how-do-they-compare-video/

Oh yeah. Really a masterpiece.

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2011/11/25/siri-vs-microsofts-tell-me/

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/11/26/tellme-fail-swingers-swap-sex-partners-in-prudish-singapore/

Quite the "demonstration." Typical MS implementation.

And really, it took Siri for the industry to move. Typical that it takes Apple's effort for this slow, lumbering, unimaginative industry to actually set out in interesting and promising directions. Is it even possible for anyone else, on their own, to pull off a June 2007, or a January 2010, and more recently - an October 4 2011?

 

[smoledman]

Oh yeah. Really a masterpiece.

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2011/11/25/siri-vs-microsofts-tell-me/

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/11/26/tellme-fail-swingers-swap-sex-partners-in-prudish-singapore/

Quite the "demonstration." Typical MS implementation.

And really, it took Siri for the industry to move. Typical that it takes Apple's effort for this slow, lumbering, unimaginative industry to actually set out in interesting and promising directions.

Just because TellMe isn't as semantically rich as Siri *now* doesn't make it garbage. Really *LTD* you have this habit of saying - "Apple makes Perfect Feature X and Company Y's Feature Z is garbage". You do that all day long, it's your template.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

You mean like Microsoft's TellMe which debuted months ahead of Siri. Your RDF is at full power my friend.

http://www.winrumors.com/windows-phone-siri-like-features-how-do-they-compare-video/

Add to it that he claims it all because of the media.
Never mind the fact we have had multiple products in the past few years that put in voice controls. Voice controls in cell phones.
Android has had it.

Yet some how because Apple did it then that what made a wave that had been growing for years.
But because the media plays to the Apple fanboys.

Apple is good at making the RDF and then getting people like LTD to keep putting out saying Apple is inventive yet the market has had new stuff being added year after year and we were already seeing the new tech.

I think it is funny that some how the media thinks Siri is so much ahead of Androids system and reality is not that difference between them.

 

[samcraig]

Tell that to consumers, the industry that is now abuzz with Siri talk, and Apple's competitors who have all of a sudden, mysteriously, by sheer, magical coincidence, begun all the voice-control/Siri discussions in earnest, right after the iPhone 4S' debut.


I don't recall there being but even a 1/100th of an interest in Android's system before Siri (nor really after it.)

That's because you live in an Apple bubble, LTD. And Siri, while useful, at least amongst my peers, colleagues and family members is almost a false promise. Potential sure - but the more they have used it the more they realize there's not much to it. Siri is already yesterday's headines.

And you don't read too much about Android's voice recognition because YOU don't read much about anything other than Apple. Apple's always done it first and best to you. Of course YOU don't RECALL there being interest. To further - since voice recognition isn't all that new - Google/Android never marketed as something AMAZING because it's just another feature. Siri is just another feature.

Apple didn't pioneer voice recognition nor AI. They marketed it. Companies have been developing/releasing products with voice recognition for years.

But I honestly don't know why I even bother responding to you LOL

 

[swagi]

Are you telling me that the average PC joe blow is more intelligent then Apple buyers? They're all the same tech-ignorant crowd.

Nope - I'm actually telling you that the former (I'd like to propose the term) "Apple Computer Industries"-fanboys were and still are quite outrageous for:
a) dropping FireWIre on the iPod
b) still putting low-powered USB ports on the keyboard
c) hate the retarded "No BluRay to stimulate iTunes sales"-approach
d) rather want a cool industry standard called USB 3.0 than a promising but in its current implementation of using copper rather limited Thunderbolt

You don't understand. It was the MBA's popularity that EOL'ed the original Macbook.

Check your history.
It was the other way round. Killing the MacBook was essential for hyping the MBA as success. The first generations were a major flop. Get over it.

 

[smoledman]

That's because you live in an Apple bubble, LTD. And Siri, while useful, at least amongst my peers, colleagues and family members is almost a false promise. Potential sure - but the more they have used it the more they realize there's not much to it. Siri is already yesterday's headines.LOL

I suspect he only reads Apple news sites. I knew about TellMe months ahead of Siri on the iPhone. But then I read all tech sites, not just the ones of a single company I fanboy.

 

[*LTD*]

That's because you live in an Apple bubble, LTD.

IF CES was anything to go by -- that great, vaunted tech expo, the "big event" for everyone to show their very best -- then so is the rest of the industry.

The "Apple bubble" appears to be quite pervasive.

(Just ask one of the biggest Korean tech companies. They visit The Bubble a lot.)

 

[samcraig]

IF CES was anything to go by -- that great, vaunted tech expo, the "big event" for everyone to show their very best -- then so is the rest of the industry.

The "Apple bubble" appears to be quite pervasive.

(Just ask one of the biggest Korean tech companies. They visit The Bubble a lot.)

You missed the point entirely. And if you want to judge by CES - you're looking at the wrong year(s) and forgetting everything that happens between CES shows. It's easy to "prove" your case when you ignore so much of reality.