Apple Files New German Lawsuit Targeting Ten Samsung Smartphones

[*LTD*]

You missed the point entirely. And if you want to judge by CES - you're looking at the wrong year(s) and forgetting everything that happens between CES shows. It's easy to "prove" your case when you ignore so much of reality.

Isn't that the point of CES? To show your mettle? To communicate and show everyone what you've been working on.

CES is actually a representation of what's going on (outside of the so-called "RDF.) It's a microcosm of developments in the consumer tech industry.

We're seeing that the consumer tech industry at large associates itself closely with Apple's "RDF." They are, in fact, playing in it, living in it. In some ways, it's rather pathetic. In other ways, it's a sign of things to come.

Apple should start charging rent.

 

[samcraig]

Isn't that the point of CES? To show your mettle? To communicate and show everyone what you've been working on.

CES is actually a representation of what's going on (outside of the so-called "RDF.) It's a microcosm of developments in the consumer tech industry.

We're seeing that the consumer tech industry at large associates itself closely with Apple's "RDF." They are, in fact, playing in it, living in it. In some ways, it's rather pathetic. In other ways, it's a sign of things to come.

Apple should start charging rent.

Again - you missed the point. Products and technologies have been adapting and improving for decades. You seem to think that the second Apple does something everyone's roadmap is non-existant. That products they've had in the pipeline couldn't possibly exist. That they just look at Apple and begin fabrication on new products solely based on Apple.

And here's a dirty little secret LTD - sometimes - just sometimes - Companies don't announce things at CES because they don't want the press yet nor do they want to tip their hand. SHOCKING!

 

[danahn17]

Again? Well since this is like a weekly event now, here's a summary of what always seems to happen:

Apple sues Samsung:
- Apple:
- Samsung:
- Lawyers:
- LTD :

Samsung sues Apple:
- Apple:
- Samsung:
- Lawyers :
- LTD :

 

[*LTD*]

Again? Well since this is like a weekly event now, here's a summary of what always seems to happen:

Apple sues Samsung:
- Apple:
- Samsung:
- Lawyers:
- LTD :

Samsung sues Apple:
- Apple:
- Samsung:
- Lawyers :
- LTD :

Except they've barely done any of the latter because they have so little to go on.

Samsung may be thieves, but they know how far they're actually able go legally. They've already (probably unintentionally) admitted guilt.

It just that they don't care.

 

[something3153]

Oh yeah. Really a masterpiece.

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2011/11/25/siri-vs-microsofts-tell-me/

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/11/26/tellme-fail-swingers-swap-sex-partners-in-prudish-singapore/

Quite the "demonstration." Typical MS implementation.

And really, it took Siri for the industry to move. Typical that it takes Apple's effort for this slow, lumbering, unimaginative industry to actually set out in interesting and promising directions. Is it even possible for anyone else, on their own, to pull off a June 2007, or a January 2010, and more recently - an October 4 2011?

So, you give Apple credit for Siri, which they didn't produce, and you say it took Apple for the industry to move when MS and Google had such things built in first?

 

[samcraig]

Except they've barely done any of the latter because they have so little to go on.

Samsung may be thieves, but they know how far they're actually able go legally. They've already (probably unintentionally) admitted guilt.

It just that they don't care.

Sorry - thieves? That's a bit presumptuous. That implies they stole IP, right? As it's been established many times - and something you fail to still grasp - is that there are millions of patents and they are in such vague formats that it's almost ALWAYS better to forge ahead than to try and self-interpret the patents to determine what you can and can't do. Why else are there so many of Apple's patent arguments thrown out. Because they simply don't stand up to scrutiny.

So I think you need to rethink your "thieves" stance.

 

[*LTD*]

Sorry - thieves? That's a bit presumptuous. That implies they stole IP, right? As it's been established many times - and something you fail to still grasp - is that there are millions of patents and they are in such vague formats that it's almost ALWAYS better to forge ahead than to try and self-interpret the patents to determine what you can and can't do. Why else are there so many of Apple's patent arguments thrown out. Because they simply don't stand up to scrutiny.

So I think you need to rethink your "thieves" stance.

No. I don't.

This is the organization Apple is dealing with:

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/13394128/

Samsung is not only shady (an understatement), but they are ridiculously brazen about it.

 

[danahn17]

No. I don't.

This is the organization Apple is dealing with:

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/13394128/

Samsung is not only shady (an understatement), but they are ridiculously brazen about it.

I wrote a reply to this once but you never replied back (i added a little more this time around):

While I'm not saying what Samsung is doing is right, it is a little unfair to portray Samsung as if they're evil because they're the only company that would do such a thing. The rules for businesses and marketing in foreign countries is much different from the USA because of cultural differences, and often times bribery is okay or even expected (just pick up any International Marketing textbook and read a little). Even the US government's Foreign Corrupt Practices Act has a exemption for "grease payments" which are essentially bribes.

It's not morally correct (at least from our cultural standpoint) but it's one of those gray areas in business. Many American companies do the same abroad. Some get caught and some don't. Just because you don't read about it in the papers... doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Apple themselves bribed officials in certain markets (like China with the iPhones there). Nor would I judge Apple negatively if they did either.

And it happens within the US too. Until a few years ago, it was okay (even expected) that pharmaceutical companies buy healthcare providers expensive dinners (think Ruth's Chris) in return for listening to why their products are so great and useful... There are certain test prep companies that do the same with students too, even today. If you look globally, look at Siemens, Haliburton, BAE Systems, Johnson & Johnson... those are all huge corps that have been caught bribing recently. If you include accounting fraud and such, that list gets even longer.

I also love how you bolded "Several campaign officials for Mr. Roh and his opponent, Lee Hoi-chang, as well as Samsung executives, were convicted of playing major roles in raising slush funds in that [presidential] campaign." Obviously, you don't follow politics too closely.

 

[wikus]

Again? Well since this is like a weekly event now, here's a summary of what always seems to happen:

Apple sues Samsung:
- Apple:
- Samsung:
- Lawyers:
- LTD :

Samsung sues Apple:
- Apple:
- Samsung:
- Lawyers :
- LTD :

Remember when Creative sued Apple? Heres how things went down on Macrumors:

Then Apple counter sued and the Macrumors members were very happy:

 

[swagi]

Isn't that the point of CES? To show your mettle? To communicate and show everyone what you've been working on.

CES is actually a representation of what's going on (outside of the so-called "RDF.) It's a microcosm of developments in the consumer tech industry.

We're seeing that the consumer tech industry at large associates itself closely with Apple's "RDF." They are, in fact, playing in it, living in it. In some ways, it's rather pathetic. In other ways, it's a sign of things to come.

Apple should start charging rent.

So you really think you will see the future of mobile phones on CES - while everyone and their mother knows that MWC is just 6 weeks away?

Prepare to be blown on Feb 27 - because this is the time headlines are made. And hint to you: They will be about shiny displays, quad-core and Tegra3. They will be ICS all down the road and a side note to WP7.

Maybe some refined 3D approach (after last year's iterations weren't that good).

Any interesting news on iOS-devices? Nah - all the gadgets were shown at CES and actually very few people are interested in that market.

 

[robertosh]

Samsung is copying everything from Apple, including minor details, I understand Apple's anger

 

[Winni]

We already know the way Samsung plays the game. They're rip-off artists par excellence. It would be silly to let them get away with it.

I can't hear that crap anymore. Remember what Steve Jobs said about their own design approach? He said this: "We have always been shameless about stealing great ideas."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU

So it's okay if Apple does it but it's not okay when somebody else does it? That's extremely hypocritical.

The real problem here is that Samsung's so-called "copies" and "stolen ideas" are superior to the so-called "originals" in many, many aspects. Samsung puts awesome software on extraordinarily well engineered hardware. Their products are a joy to use, and unlike Apple's iOS devices, they are not restricted and limited in any way and they do not imprison their users in a Walled Garden as Apple does. For me, the choice between a Samsung Galaxy gadget or an Apple iOS gadget is a complete no-brainer - Samsung will always win this one. In my book, they have the better products.

When it comes to notebooks and desktops, I will still buy Apple hardware and use Mac OS X -- at least for TODAY. If Apple proceeds with the "iOSification" of OS X or replaces it completely with a future iOS version, I will cut my losses and move on to Linux. I'm already a hardcore Linux user on the server side of things and since I managed to move away from desktop Windows to desktop OS X, I know that I will survive another migration when I have to. But when this happens, I will probably also buy my hardware from another vendor. And Samsung's new notebooks look very good to me, too.

Apple should spend that lawsuit money on innovation instead of litigation. I know a lot of people who would never buy anything from Apple because of the company's attitude and bullish behavior. They're hurting themselves more than any competitor ever could.

 

[reefoid]

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Samsung is copying everything from Apple, including minor details, I understand Apple's anger

Not this rubbish again.

The cable and charger are generic, probably made by the same company and branded accordingly.

The smart cover is (1) not produced by Samsung, (2) different to Apple's cover (no magnets) and (3) Apple weren't the first to come up with the design.

Do you have anything relevant and accurate to add to the discussion?

 

[samcraig]

LTD - re: Siri.. you might enjoy this article. It's about Steve Wozniak. He had a comment or two about it...

http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/17/10175148-wozniak-likes-his-android-phone-a-lot

Wozniak thinks that voice commands do better on Android than the iPhone, and he told Lyons that Siri on the iPhone 4S is not as good as when it was a stand-alone app for the previous iPhone:

I used to ask Siri, ‘What are the five biggest lakes in California?’ and it would come back with the answer. Now it just misses. It gives me real estate listings. I used to ask, ‘What are the prime numbers greater than 87?’ and it would answer. Now instead of getting prime numbers, I get listings for prime rib, or prime real estate,” Woz says.

Worse, a lot of the time Siri says it can’t make a connection to the back-end servers that power the system. “With the iPhone 4 I could press a button and call my wife. Now on the 4S I can only do that when Siri can connect over the Internet. But many times it can’t connect. I’ve never had Android come back and say, ‘I can’t connect over the Internet.’ ”

Heresy? No, it's Wozniak's engineering analysis, detached and unbiased. He says the iPhone is a great choice for many people, including those "who are just scared of computers altogether and don’t want to use them. The iPhone is the least frightening thing. For that kind of person who is scared of complexity, well, here’s a phone that is simple to use and does what you need it to do,” he told Lyons.

 

[*LTD*]

LTD - re: Siri.. you might enjoy this article. It's about Steve Wozniak. He had a comment or two about it...

http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/17/10175148-wozniak-likes-his-android-phone-a-lot

So?

Wozniak also thinks *this* is a tablet:

http://www.techshout.com/hardware/2...c-based-tablet-computer-shipped-to-consumers/



I'm not sure how anything this man says is relevant. He hasn't made an Apple product in 35 years, nor any product at all in 30. Might as well grab any random consumer off the street and ask their opinion.

We still love him, though.

 

[samcraig]

LTD - re: Siri.. you might enjoy this article. It's about Steve Wozniak. He had a comment or two about it...

http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/17/10175148-wozniak-likes-his-android-phone-a-lot

So?

Wozniak also thinks *this* is a tablet:

http://www.techshout.com/hardware/2...c-based-tablet-computer-shipped-to-consumers/



I'm not sure how anything this man says is relevant. He hasn't made an Apple product in 35 years, nor any product at all in 30. Might as well grab any random consumer off the street and ask their opinion.

We still love him, though.

Really- pulling a link from 2008? Lame.

And really? You think Woz is irrelevant? Wow.

 

[DeathChill]

And really? You think Woz is irrelevant? Wow.

Maybe I am misunderstanding (and don't care to get involved in this argument) but isn't Woz irrelevant?

 

[samcraig]

Maybe I am misunderstanding (and don't care to get involved in this argument) but isn't Woz irrelevant?

I don't think so. Just because he hasn't made a product recently doesn't invalidate his opinions and his value as an intellectual in the industry.

 

[DeathChill]

I don't think so. Just because he hasn't made a product recently doesn't invalidate his opinions and his value as an intellectual in the industry.

I see where you're coming from but I don't see any reason that his opinion would be more important than anyone else's opinion. I'm not saying his opinion is wrong, just that I don't feel it carries any weight beyond him just being Wozniak. I'm not really sure what value he brings to the industry honestly.

 

[KnightWRX]

A notable point everyone is missing is that Wozniak seems to have been a fan of Andy Rubin's work in the field of mobile OSes since day 1. Here's an old 2002 MacRumors thread linking to Danger Inc's PR about Wozniak joining their board (links are dead now) :

forums.macrumors.com/threads/929/

So really, is it a surprise considering Android is in many ways the successor of the HipTop software Danger Inc was making (Andy Rubin co-founded both ventures after all) ?

 

[samcraig]

A notable point everyone is missing is that Wozniak seems to have been a fan of Andy Rubin's work in the field of mobile OSes since day 1. Here's an old 2002 MacRumors thread linking to Danger Inc's PR about Wozniak joining their board (links are dead now) :

forums.macrumors.com/threads/929/

So really, is it a surprise considering Android is in many ways the successor of the HipTop software Danger Inc was making (Andy Rubin co-founded both ventures after all) ?

Personally I don't think Wozniak - based on everything I've read and a conversation I've had with him - is not technology (company) biased. I think he's very much the best tool for the job type of guy.

 

[jmpnop]

Again? Well since this is like a weekly event now, here's a summary of what always seems to happen:

Apple sues Samsung:
- Apple:
- Samsung:
- Lawyers:
- LTD :

Samsung sues Apple:
- Apple:
- Samsung:
- Lawyers :
- LTD :

Its really fun to read his childish comments and even funnier to see people reply..lol

 

[smoledman]

Not this rubbish again.

The cable and charger are generic, probably made by the same company and branded accordingly.

The smart cover is (1) not produced by Samsung, (2) different to Apple's cover (no magnets) and (3) Apple weren't the first to come up with the design.

Do you have anything relevant and accurate to add to the discussion?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dock_connector#Apple_30-pin_dock_connector

The 30-pin dock connector is proprietary and Samsung is engaging in outright theft here.

 

[goosnarrggh]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dock_connector#Apple_30-pin_dock_connector

The 30-pin dock connector is proprietary and Samsung is engaging in outright theft here.

Why do you assume Samsung was modelling itself after the Apple dock connector? It is also strikingly similar to the ANSI-standard PDMI interface connector.

In any event, Samsung's connector is not actually inter-operable (mechanically or electrically) with either Apple's connector or the PDMI connector, making it effectively yet another, different but equally proprietary interface.

 

[danahn17]

Really- pulling a link from 2008? Lame.

And really? You think Woz is irrelevant? Wow.

Well if we're gonna link tablet articles that came out before the iPad, then I'll just go ahead and say Apple's business strategy is stupid. Because, I have an article from 1997 saying Apple's business moves were stupid.

The 30-pin dock connector is proprietary and Samsung is engaging in outright theft here.

If it's as cut and dry as you say, why hasn't Apple sued Samsung for their connector yet? Or included it in any of their other lawsuits? And btw, the Galaxy SII phone has a totally different connector.