You assume that the devs involved will use a reputable payment processor, look around on MacOS or PC apps and see how many even offer paypal, less that you would think. Most are using some no name processor.
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Apple Fined Another 5 Million Euros by Dutch Competition Regulator Over Dating App Payment Requirements
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You assume that the devs involved will use a reputable payment processor, look around on MacOS or PC apps and see how many even offer paypal, less that you would think. Most are using some no name processor.
Those are safe (Mastercard and Visa, don’t know about “iDeal”) but can a customer be assured that their payment is ACTUALLY going through Mastercard (and not Mastercared, or Viso)? Allowing this opens up opportunities for the few legitimate processors, sure, but also the ones that aren’t quite so legitimate.
The 27% commission on external payment options is the most nakedly ruthless thing I've seen Apple do in a very long time. It's so petty and gross, it can only have come from the combined minds of Phil Schiller and Eddy Cue.
I can't wait to read the internal emails discussing this option which will inevitably come out through pre-trial discovery over the next decade.
I can't wait to read the internal emails discussing this option which will inevitably come out through pre-trial discovery over the next decade.
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They would either have to go with what Apple has to say or else the U.S. congress will step in. Either way, I'm sure they don't want to be in Fortnite's situation with Apple.Thanks Apple for this weekly allowance
Also, curious what a lot of the MacRumors members will say when the US will enforce rules like this / App Store changes. Will they also say “Apple should just walk away from all this. Apple doesn’t need them.” 😅
Probably, as there are non-US members of MacRumors… actually, that’s just an assumption, I don’t know the geographic spread in reality.Thanks Apple for this weekly allowance
Also, curious what a lot of the MacRumors members will say when the US will enforce rules like this / App Store changes. Will they also say “Apple should just walk away from all this. Apple doesn’t need them.” ?
Google in South Korea did the same. But they were more generous. Provided 4%
Apple should just ban dating apps in that region and force them to go web based only. They can do whatever the hell they want on the open web. Those companies will quickly see losses and go clamoring back to their government to change the laws.
In the security world you test, retest, and train. What Apple is doing is fostering a generation of people who are ignorant to internet security by blocking it behind their walls.
And before this becomes an all out war, understand that I don't really disagree with this -- protections are a good thing in some contexts. There will always be ignorant people. But there should be also be choices and flexibility. They can coexist.
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How did the world every work and survive before the App Store and Apple handling payments?
Must've been some dangerous and scary times.
You think, then round 2 begins.just give them 50m. case closed
10m per week.
Can Apple add scary messages in Safari too when you are about use Paypal and the likes ?
Or just flat out take its 30% (errr 27%) cut on all digital purchases in macOS too ?
Anything else is un-se-cu-re!
Or just flat out take its 30% (errr 27%) cut on all digital purchases in macOS too ?
Anything else is un-se-cu-re!
It's amazing how many atrocious business takes we have around here.
You are totally lost if you think in terms of "just ban XYZ in that region" or "pull out of those countries - screw 'em!"
You are totally lost if you think in terms of "just ban XYZ in that region" or "pull out of those countries - screw 'em!"
The Dutch wanted 3rd-party payment systems... and Apple is allowing that. Hooray!
But there was never a mention of Apple's commission.
Did the Dutch really think 3rd-party payment systems was the answer to their problems?
And since Apple went in the direction they did... I'm guessing the Dutch will come back and say "hold on... we really meant lower commissions..."
But there was never a mention of Apple's commission.
Did the Dutch really think 3rd-party payment systems was the answer to their problems?
And since Apple went in the direction they did... I'm guessing the Dutch will come back and say "hold on... we really meant lower commissions..."
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Sometimes it's better to walk away. Look what's happening with Fortnite for iOS in the U.S. market.
Arrogance will not help Apple. This just puts more eyes on them for even more lawsuits.
If the dating apps go web-based only, that would expose the customers to privacy and security risks that Apple is so concerned about.
Forcing them to go web-based only would show that Apple doesn't care about the customers' privacy and security, but their cut of the transaction.
How is this petty? The Dutch regulatory body (and these vocal developers by extension) were asking for external payment processing capabilities. Apple provided that. And requiring an entitlement and location-specific binary is not that onerous. Could probably make do with just the entitlement but I can see the argument for the separate binary.
In any regard App is giving a 10% discount off the platform fees if a developer uses an external payment process. No where does the regulator state that Apple cannot charge a fee. Just that they allow external payments. According to many, many posts on this site alone transaction fees average 1.5%. So the 10% discount is 2x the average payments to the new transaction processor.
It is amazing that people actually believe that Apple was charging 15% / 30% for only payment processing.
This is because the majority of the 30% was never about payment processing. Apple provides SDKs, tools, developer support (including tons of documentation, and much of WWDC content is free online as well), distribution infrastructure, etc. I've seen estimates that Apple breaks even anywhere between 10%-20% commission. In any case, they should also be allowed to make a profit on their platform as well.
Some of you guys really need to look into what other digital distribution platforms charge (the majority are at or around 30%) and even look at what traditional retail charges for shelf space.
Links please
(we need to see who's doing that estimating and the methodology of it all - Apple has a lot of reason$$$$ to make sure it's all a big black box)
You mean like macOS users who sideload and use alternative payments outside Apple's control?
If the max fine is €50 million it may just be cheaper to pay the fines. Problem for Apple is that you can bet regulators around the world are watching this. And I doubt they like what they’re seeing.
And let's not forget that "sideload" is just a scary sounding rebranding of "installing software"
It's not some nefarious, dangerous, illicit or "hacky" thing to be doing.
The "load" is the installing part, and the "side" just means "alongside the iOS App distribution monopoly of Apple"