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To those complaining about the size of updates for iOS, reinstalling iOS at each update (especially with recent root escalation exploit) eliminates any malicious software that may have been installed due to an exploit.

This promotes security and saves them from having to include software that can find malicious code to remove it. Such programs (antivirus software) are bloated, eat up resources, and reduce battery life.

You do know that they could put the scanning part of the software in iTunes and that scanned software add on would be SMALLER than the patch. Apple's method of updating software is VERY outdated.
Apple way of doing it is a very poor meathod and a reason why I avoid updating my iPod and my brother avoids updating his iPhone. It takes to long to download the file. If it was a 1 meg file the download and install could be done in a matter of minutes instead of the 30+ it takes now. Rather inconvenient
 
Until someone provides a source that 4.1 isn't fixing the proximity sensor issues - which I had on my first iPhone 4 when outside but not on my replacement - I think you all are spreading fud.

The only evidence is anecdotal - but what else do you expect, it's a closed beta with a NDA.
 
You make me laugh. An exploit in an open source font is hardly Apple's fault but Apple stepped up and fixed it.

iOS 4 on iPhone 3G is still slow
Proximity sensor is known software issue (as mentioned by CEO of the company)
iBooks App was slow when they released it eventually got fixed it
Safari 5.0 was slow and got fixed 5.0.1

few examples, you tell me how is the QA?
 
Proximity issue = hardware!!!

This is crap.. they will keep themselves from losing money on JB phones.. but won't fix the issue so people can actually use the phone to make calls!!
 
You do know that they could put the scanning part of the software in iTunes and that scanned software add on would be SMALLER than the patch. Apple's method of updating software is VERY outdated.
Apple way of doing it is a very poor meathod and a reason why I avoid updating my iPod and my brother avoids updating his iPhone. It takes to long to download the file. If it was a 1 meg file the download and install could be done in a matter of minutes instead of the 30+ it takes now. Rather inconvenient

I don't mind having to download a large image. Taking updates and tying them in piecemeal always made me have issues with some other OSes.
 
It's not a stupid jailbreaking hole. It's an exploit that allows for arbitrary code execution.

Arbitrary code execution is not a good thing but it is much worse when done in conjunction with a privilege (root) escalation exploit. Priv escalation required for more invisible and damaging malware install.

AFAIK, stringing two exploits together like jailbreakme is difficult as it makes it difficult to produce a payload that runs reliably.
 
Almost 1/6th of the iPhone 4's expected lifecycle has gone and the proximity sensor issue still remains.

1/6th of its lifecycle ? You think they will only sell this thing for 1 year ? :rolleyes:

Seriously folk. The iPhone 3G was still actively promoted and sold not less than 2 months ago. The original iPhone was still supported by the current OS not less than 2 months ago.

The lifecycle of an iPhone model is 3 years it seems, not 1.

Arbitrary code execution is not a god thing but it is much worse when done in conjunction with a privilege (root) escalation exploit. Priv escalation required for more invisible and damaging malware install.

AFAIK, stringing two exploits together like jailbreakme is difficult as it makes it difficult to produce a payload that runs reliably.

Jailbreakme seems to run pretty reliably. Maybe you underestimate this vulnerability ? Exploit code is out there. All that remains is to change the payload.
 
The only evidence is anecdotal - but what else do you expect, it's a closed beta with a NDA.

Because we all know NDAs work so well. :rolleyes:

iOS 4 on iPhone 3G is still slow
Proximity sensor is known software issue (as mentioned by CEO of the company)
iBooks App was slow when they released it eventually got fixed it
Safari 5.0 was slow and got fixed 5.0.1

few examples, you tell me how is the QA?

  • iOS 4 wasn't that slow for me on my iPhone 3G. And let's face it, it's old hardware and won't be able to run things as well as an iPhone 4 or iPhone 3GS.
  • Proximity sensor will be fixed. It seems that it's not as widespread as people think. The echo chamber of MacRumors wins over real-world experience for the majority of users, though.
  • iBooks was never slow for me and I saw no reports that it was slow.
  • Same thing goes for Safari.
 
Arbitrary code execution is not a god thing but it is much worse when done in conjunction with a privilege (root) escalation exploit. Priv escalation required for more invisible and damaging malware install.

AFAIK, stringing two exploits together like jailbreakme is difficult as it makes it difficult to produce a payload that runs reliably.

Point being, though, if they did it and it's available to be executed via their website then it's a major issue as people can capture that code and learn to use it for other purposes.
 
I personally want to thank

all you numbnuts freedom fighter jailbreakers for making my life just that much more difficult.

You're like the teenagers at the wedding, getting into the beer, leaving the bottles and cigarette butts for somebody else to clean up, and then going for a joy ride drunk and wrecking Mom's car. Thanks, brave lads.
 
Proximity issue = hardware!!!

This is crap.. they will keep themselves from losing money on JB phones.. but won't fix the issue so people can actually use the phone to make calls!!

You are exactly right. Apple's downright refusal to properly handle the proximity sensor problem with iPhone 4 is asinine. They've released two "minor" revisions of the iOS 4 software since the phone launch and the proximity sensor problem has yet to be fixed. What a crock!
 
What we really need now ....

... is a patch to close up the vulnerability on jailbroken devices, without resorting to doing the whole firmware upgrade that erases all the existing content! Can't someone post a security patch on Cydia?
 
No, but most people wont want to buy one when the iPhone 5 comes out.

It'll be the low end model.

I intend to keep my iPhone 4 for two years - the duration of my contract.

That doesn't make its lifecycle 1 year. :rolleyes: And they wouldn't bother selling the 3GS as a 8 GB low end model if people weren't scooping it up. Nor would they have bothered to do it with the 3G.

And again, it's about software support. With the original iPhone, that's 3 years.

Wrong comment was wrong.
 
Unlike the 3Gs and 4, can't the 3G can be restored with older versions of iOS? If so, why not go back to 3.x until performance issues on the 3G are fixed?

No, not officially. You can do it, but it requires third party tools. I was able to downgrade my 3G back to 3.1.2, but it was a process I wouldn't expect non-techies to be able to accomplish easily (I used a command line tool, but I think there is some GUI tool you can use to do the same thing). Edit: Looks like it's not too hard to do now. Still is more difficult than it should be; and I'm annoyed that Apple doesn't officially allow downgrades.

I've heard that turning off Spotlight, and then rebooting your phone a few times can fix performance issues, but I haven't tried this.
 
all you numbnuts freedom fighter jailbreakers for making my life just that much more difficult.

You're like the teenagers at the wedding, getting into the beer, leaving the bottles and cigarette butts for somebody else to clean up, and then going for a joy ride drunk and wrecking Mom's car. Thanks, brave lads.

Wait, how did they make your life more difficult?
 
You do know that they could put the scanning part of the software in iTunes and that scanned software add on would be SMALLER than the patch. Apple's method of updating software is VERY outdated.
Apple way of doing it is a very poor meathod and a reason why I avoid updating my iPod and my brother avoids updating his iPhone. It takes to long to download the file. If it was a 1 meg file the download and install could be done in a matter of minutes instead of the 30+ it takes now. Rather inconvenient

So, you would rather frequently connect your iToy to iTunes to scan for malware instead of having a fresh reinstall. Patches (patches on patches vs cumulative update) lead to larger footprint and reduced performance.

Jailbreakme seems to run pretty reliably. Maybe you underestimate this vulnerability ? Exploit code is out there. All that remains is to change the payload.

Point being, though, if they did it and it's available to be executed via their website then it's a major issue as people can capture that code and learn to use it for other purposes.

Totally agree with you. I was trying to support what you were saying. Sorry, if it seemed like I wasn't.
 
That doesn't make its lifecycle 1 year. :rolleyes: And they wouldn't bother selling the 3GS as a 8 GB low end model if people weren't scooping it up. Nor would they have bothered to do it with the 3G.

And again, it's about software support. With the original iPhone, that's 3 years.

Wrong comment was wrong.

I was not wrong.

The iPhone 4 is Apple's wonder product. It's sold incredibly well (their best product launch ever), despite bad publicity over the antenna.

There are adverts on the TV, people are talking about the product - there are shortages.

Compare that to the iPhone 3GS. There aren't TV ads, nobody is talking about it and there's no shortage of stock.

When I said "lifecycle" I was referring solely to the period of time that the product is the "latest and greatest", not the length of time it is sold as the low end model or receives software updates.

The reason Apple still offers the older model is simple - price. A lot of people simply can't afford to buy the latest model.
 
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