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I agree that at some point things will shift to a more 'on demand' model. I also agree that in the long run the costs will be similar to what they are today assuming ads remain. If it's ad free, it'll cost even more.
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The networks get paid huge reliable income from basic cable/satellite sub fees/advertising. That money goes straight to the content creators.

What would be their incentive to try to create a direct distribution model that would earn less guaranteed revenue?

Suppose you made a product and it was guaranteed to be sold in every Target, Wamart and grocery store in the US and be part of the 'standard customer bundle' they had to buy. Would you decide to give that up and start direct shipping stuff to only the customers who wanted to buy it?

Simple business, you don't give up or threaten a large steady revenue stream for a smaller one.
I would agree except there is already evidence of this beginning to happen. You're not wrong, but I think it's also the fact that these large companies are stuck in their traditional ways. All we have to do is look at wireless carriers for this. Until recently nothing was really changing with plans because it didn't have to. Takes one big player to shake up the industry. That's it.
 
I'll tell ya why there isn't a deal. The broadcasting companies won't make a deal because they don't want to lose their cash cow that is subscription TV. They know their days of charging people $150 for the 15 channels they want are numbered.

Can't wait.
 
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I don't understand. If Dish Network can provide a basic service with basic channels for only $50/month, why can't Apple? If my local cable provider can do the same for $35/mo with basic channels, why can't Apple? What is Apple doing differently than companies like Cox and Dish that is making this so difficult?

Taking 30%
 
Come on. On-demand ads are not sold for 50 times channel ad pricing to make up for the volume of ads running on each channel and all of the bundled channels too. That's how the math would have to work to make a few streaming ads make up for ALL of the revenue made from commercials "as is" right now.

To the math: I've done the math and last time I did, total U.S. TV advertising revenue for the "as is" is about $54 per U.S. household PER MONTH. So unless you have your streaming bundle of channels costing $54 per month before you actually have ANY channels/programming costs factored in, you are short-changing the revenue production of the "as is". If everyone followed you, SOMEBODY has to take the hit. Cut Apple in for 30% and SOMEBODY has to take that hit too. Who takes that hit in this "new model"?

And I'm NOT stuck in a channels-or-bust mindset. I like the idea of on-demand, commercial-free, watch-only-what-I-want-to-watch, when-I-want-to-watch-it as much as anyone here. The problem is the math doesn't work if we look at it beyond ourselves. Why does the Studios want to give us that? Why does Cable who also has the absolutely essential broadband pipe want to give us that? Where does our "big discount" come from (meaning who takes that hit)?

Philosophically, I get everything you are saying. But everything you're saying is heavily biased to our (consumer) perspective. Let me do that now with another kind of product we buy...

I don't want to pay "greedy" Apple $1000 for the next iPhone. I don't want to pay "greedy" Apple thousands of dollars for my next Mac. Instead, I want those for 90% less than Apple charges now. I don't care if it's profitable or not for them; this is about me and what I want to pay for such stuff. The "greedy" Apple has plenty of money in the bank already. I want what they make for next to nothing.

THIS topic is not so different than what I just wrote. Substitute names of the company and the products. But obviously, that makes no sense. And it makes no sense in THIS topic either.

I love the idea of THIS. But the key is showing the OTHER players how THEY are going to make more money. Else it gets nowhere. Apple has been at this same basic thing for >5 years now. If it's so good for those beyond Apple, why is it taking so long? Because they don't want to give away their iPhones/Macs/etc for 80% or 90% off mostly to further enrich Apple.

And Apple doesn't want us to get our deep discount either: Apple and "deep discount" has never been a partnership in reality.

I never said streaming has to be commercial free. I want it to be commercial free, personally I would gladly pay more to have it commercial free (and I do pay for Hulu commercial-free), but I realize not everyone agrees with me, and thus commercials are here to stay.

Yes, currently ad revenue on cabletv is huge. Let's take your number, $54/household/month. Are you saying that by inserting commercials into streaming tv they wouldn't get the same $54 or more? I know for a fact that a 30 second ad shown to 1000 viewers on Hulu costs more than a 30 second ad shown one time on a cabletv channel at a time when nielson ratings say about 1000 people will be watching. Look at Google's business model - targeted ads are more valuable and thus cost more. Finding that $54 in streaming ads is no difficult task.

Average american spends 2.8 hours watching tv per day. Let's round down to 2. Let's say there are two people per household on average (also a rounding down). Let's say streaming will insert 8 30-second commercials per hour (less than cabletv does today). That's 960 commercials per month per household, or 5.6 cents per commercial to make that $54 target. It's very doable.

You're in search of who has to take the hit? The big content owners (viacom, ge, time warner, disney, etc.) are the ones who will take the hit, because I think (and they fear) that in a more democratized system, their content will be worth less and smaller indie content will be worth more (or rather, they will both be worth closer to equal which means a reduction for the big ones and an increase for the small guys). They would rather keep the status quo, than risk the fallout from the change that is coming.

But it's not really a hit, because the effect on the industry will be a net neutral. The amount consumers spend should not change - rather what they spend it on will be a more accurate reflection of what they like.
 
I'm frustrated with the HBO go app not saving your location. Everytime I turn it on I have to navigate back to the show I was watching and remember the last episode I was on.
I agree. Furthermore, I don't think the HBO Go app is very well organized.
 



ESPN president John Skipper spoke with The Wall Street Journal in an interview this morning, revealing some insider details on Apple's struggle to establish deals with content providers for a streaming television service.

According to Skipper, Apple is "frustrated" by its ongoing inability to find a mutually advantageous way to work with programmers. Though no deals have been established, ESPN "continues" trying to work with Apple on some kind of partnership.

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Skipper's comments are in line with recent rumors made by CBS CEO Les Moonves, who said Apple "pressed the hold button" on its streaming television plans after it was unable to establish the necessary deals. Rumors throughout 2015 suggested Apple was aiming to create a web-based television product that would offer a small bundle of channels for $30 to $40 per month.

Apple has been attempting to create some kind of television service since 2009, but the company has run into resistance from cable and content providers time and time again because of a reluctance to interrupt existing revenue streams and fundamentally shift the way cable is provided.

ESPN's deal with Sling TV, a service that offers streaming access to major cable channels, offers some insight into where Apple may be running into trouble establishing deals. There is an option in ESPN's contract with Sling TV that lets the deal be terminated should it cannibalize ESPN's core pay TV business, something Apple likely wouldn't have agreed to. Apple is also said to have run into trouble getting content providers to unbundle their channels.

While Skipper believes 2016 will see "further announcements" of different streaming packages from new companies, it is not likely Apple will be among them. The company's content struggles have caused it to put its streaming service on hold, with plans to instead focus on the tvOS App Store and its position as a platform that gives media companies tools to sell content directly to customers.

Article Link: Apple Frustrated by Inability to Reach Deals With TV Programmers for Television Service
It's too bad that Steve Jobs is not around—I suspect that Apple would have the solution.
 
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lol never thought I'd read a post where someone who watches a bunch of TV thinks they are better than others. Amazing.

Who said I thought I was better. I'm just not some pretentious jagoff who constantly whines about not liking television or movies or whatever.
 
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I never said streaming has to be commercial free. I want it to be commercial free, personally I would gladly pay more to have it commercial free (and I do pay for Hulu commercial-free), but I realize not everyone agrees with me, and thus commercials are here to stay.

I didn't say you said that. I was just expanding my answer to you to talk to those who will argue that they also want "commercial free" as part of this al-a-carte dream.

Yes, currently ad revenue on cabletv is huge. Let's take your number, $54/household/month. Are you saying that by inserting commercials into streaming tv they wouldn't get the same $54 or more? I know for a fact that a 30 second ad shown to 1000 viewers on Hulu costs more than a 30 second ad shown one time on a cabletv channel at a time when nielson ratings say about 1000 people will be watching.

No, I'm making the point about al-a-carte streaming commercial revenue vs. "as is" commercial revenue... that streaming ads are not priced high enough to make up for the same ad running in the "as is" on the channel a viewer watches and the other 25 channels in the bundle of channels that the viewer is NOT watching.

To simplify:
  • how many ads run in a given program on a streaming service like Hulu? You pick the number. Let's call it X.
  • how many ads run during that same program in the "as is" model? You pick this too but it should be quite a few more: X times Y. You can pick Y too.
  • how many ads run during the same amount of time you are watching that program on the 200 other channels you aren't watching? That will be probably hundreds more: (X times Y) times 200 channels.
Price the commercials running during that one program. Bias the pricing so that those X commercials running in the al-a-carte streaming service cost more (even much more) than the (X times Y) commercials running on the 200 channels you are not watching.

How much do the streaming commercials need to cost to make up for the losses of ((X times Y) times 200 channels) in the "as is" to not result in a loss of advertising revenue, so that those of us looking for our deep discount don't need to make up for those losses and/or those creating what we do want to watch don't have to take the big revenue hit?

Factor in the commercials running on all 200 channels while you are NOT watching because those are still sold and thus make money for the industry. Even while we sleep a LOT of money is being made by those 200 channels "I never watch" existing. And it's all paid for by other people (those paying to run the commercials) much more so than a /200 slice of the monthly subscription fee we pay.

Look at Google's business model - targeted ads are more valuable and thus cost more. Finding that $54 in streaming ads is no difficult task.

Then go work at Apple and sell them on this idea because apparently they can't seem to sell the content owners that they will make more money by going this way with Apple.

Then sell us dreamers on the concept that we want commercials in this al-a-carte dream... because many of seem to have commercial-free as the second biggest want in this dream, right behind the huge discount vs. what "I'm" paying now.

You're in search of who has to take the hit? The big content owners (viacom, ge, time warner, disney, etc.) are the ones who will take the hit, because I think (and they fear) that in a more democratized system, their content will be worth less and smaller indie content will be worth more (or rather, they will both be worth closer to equal which means a reduction for the big ones and an increase for the small guys). They would rather keep the status quo, than risk the fallout from the change that is coming.

Again, flip the subject matter to Apple. I want my next iPhone at 90% off. I want my next Mac at 90% off. If the masses want and then get what I want too, what happens? Does Apple just keep right on delivering new iPhones and Macs at 90% off? Or does the flow of new product dry up because they can't make their business work with such a huge discount for us buyers?

And the "smaller indie content" business is already well in place... for many years now. The low-cost productions on youtube has youtube for distribution and monetization with ads. They also have Vimeo. If they like, they can get their independent productions into the iTunes store, Amazon and others. They've had all of these distribution and monetization channels for all of these years. So why don't the indie's rule already? Why aren't the low-cost production houses that could deliver programming at 90% off of what we pay now already winning a huge following? Why do the Viacoms, Disneys, etc still own the bulk of the eyes & minds of the viewing public if the indie productions are just as good... or just as compelling to the masses?

Because what us "dreamers" actually want is all of the high production value- the professional writing, directing, acting, special effects, rich sets, quality stunt work, etc to keep on rolling in but we think there is some way to get that at 80% or 90% off of current pricing. We've deluded ourselves into a misconception that we are actually paying for every additional channel bundled into a cable subscription (when most of the channels are actually thrown into the bundles to make their money on commercials instead of getting another slice of subscriber revenue); so we resent the concept and thus believe the math really could be 200 channels/$100 per month = 50 cents per channel. I only watch 10 channels so my bill should drop from $100 to $5 per month.

Many of us want that commercial-free too, so we want the Studios to take the hit of us paying 80% or less for their products AND we want the Studios to also lose all of the commercials-revenue (otherwise known as OPM) too. But we want the quality & breadth & depth of it all to keep on coming and believe that Apple can find a way... and get their 30%... and that broadband pipe controllers will just let Apple have it all without making it up in broadband fees.
 
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Bundles are ok... sometimes.

Hulu nails it. NBC, CW, Fox, ABC. (stills needs CBS for the new Colbert) Bundled in, basically the major over the air channels. But instead of being on their over the air schedule, I'm at the leisure of my own schedule.

Plus Hulu's home grown content.
Plus Comedy Central.

It's quite brilliant. They basically solved it if they would just get CBS. Ad-free for $12/mo. It's perfectly reasonable.
Well cbs has their own service which is $5.99 and has a decent back catalog of cbs shows to boot., so add them together you still under $20 but cbs' service does have commercials.
 
People want to watch programs or channels they want, when they want. Bundles of channels isn't what most consumers want. This is why Netflix et al are so popular. They let people choose what they want.. even better for a flat fee.

Given this trend, I don't see how the rumour "suggested Apple was aiming to create a web-based television product that would offer a small bundle of channels for $30 to $40 per month." is going to work... unless you get to pick and choose what is in that bundle. Otherwise, not any different to what cable companies currently offer.. which mostly suck.

It would be an interesting model. If they went with this sort of package, I wonder how it would be regulated. Would it be considered just a streaming service (like Netflix/HBO/Hulu) or would it make Apple considered a content provider like your cable company.

This would be an important distinction, at least in Canada, as there are rules made by the CRTC that mandate content providers (Cable companies and satellite) with a wide array of regulations. Such as mandatory Canadian content levels. And soon, all cable/sattelite providers MUST provide a-la-carte channel offerings (They're allowed bundles, but cannot force bundles, all channels must be available individually as well)

There is also a mandated minimum service provision with fixed rate. "basic cable" in Canada MUST contain specified channels, including CBC, CTV, Global, Aboriginal channels, French language channels, and a few US chanels like Fox, NBC, ABC and CBS. in addition to 10 local channels. They also cannot charge more than $25 /mth for this package.
 
The cable providers are notoriously greedy and out of touch with what people want. They insist on garbage bundling. One good channel with 10 other crap ones. Apple is going to need to use some of that famous cash reserve and invent us something entirely new. Go straight to the content creators.

It's not the CABLE providers that are bundling unwanted channels with wanted channels. It's the CONTENT providers. And that's the reason Apple is having problems.

There are two variations playing out:
  1. In order to get channel X from Viacom, the cable provider also has to carry channels A, B, C, D, etc. that few people watch. But, you still have to pay for them. And, it's not just Viacom: Disney/ESPN does this, along with NBC Universal, and Turner Broadcasting
  2. In order to get some channel bundles at a reasonable price, the cable provider must add the bundle to the "enhanced" channel tier that most customers buy. This means that many customers end up buying channels like ESPN, and never watch them.
Verizon has been experimenting with "skinny bundles", allowing you to pick smaller sets of channels instead of a bloated set of unwanted channels in the "enhanced" tier.

http://consumerist.com/2015/04/17/verizon-fios-to-offer-more-flexible-channel-bundles/

Disney promptly filed suit for breach of contract:

http://consumerist.com/2015/04/27/verizon-fios-sued-over-no-espn-included-custom-tv-cable-packages/

The content creators don't want to mess with this situation, because it practically guarantees their revenue -- although they are starting to see the effect of people cutting the cord altogether.

They don't want to deal with Apple directly, because if they offer "ala carte" to Apple, the cable providers will start to demand the same terms -- and their entire house of cards will come tumbling down. Want to know how bad it could be?

https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Survey-56-Would-Drop-ESPN-to-Save-8-a-Month-136070
https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Most-Users-Want-A-La-Carte-TV-Dont-Care-About-ESPN-134248

In the first article, an analyst estimated that ESPN would have to charge substantially more than $20/month if they had to deal with consumers directly, due to the dramatic drop in penetration/subscription rates.
 
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ptb42, good post but you're still painting the picture like subscriber revenue is ALL revenue. Bundled channels exist because (A) enough eyeballs watch them to make selling commercials profitable and (B) commercial revenues justify them.

The bulk of the "junk" channels is about making money from the commercials that run on them, not getting a fraction of our subscription fee. The bulk of our subscription fee pays for a relatively small group of channels with heavy original programming (hits) or high-demand live or first-run content (sports, new movie releases, etc). Many- probably most- channels could likely keep on coming if we all ceased paying anything for cable/satt- see the "big 5" OTA as a prime example (and those do produce a LOT of first-run, original programming).

Contrary to what we all seem to think, the bulk of TV has always been about the commercials, not the programming. The latter is just the bait to try to get us to see the commercials.
 
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Yes but WHY did they file suit? It's not to force 8 more Disney channels on us to get a fraction of subscriber revenue $100/200 (channels) times 8 or $4. It's to maintain "eyeball counts" so they can keep selling commercials at current pricing on those 8 other Disney channels. They make a lot more from all of us having the potential to see those commercials than they make by getting pennies-per-channel out of our subscription fee.

All this is not really that much about our cable bills. For most channels, bundling is mostly about revenues from commercials. Our cable bill fee gets split away to others- some does make it to the Studios but Cable takes a slice + DVR rental, tax man gets his slice, etc.
 
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I'm just glad someone is going to bat for us consumers. I know they are just doing it "for us" as there is a wrinkle to be exploited but it is still nice to see someone attacking rather than us stand still and be in the same situation 10 years from now.

I have cast my vote over 5-10 years ago by ditching cable. Screw them and their bundles. Just give me the internet and I'm good. I know they realize this but they need to wake up. People younger than me are only going to be more adamant, at least to me.

Netflix and Amazon seem to be creating nice content as well! I find myself watching their stuff if I want to veg out at all. Props!
 
Contrary to what we all seem to think, the bulk of TV has always been about the commercials, not the programming. The latter is just the bait to try to get us to see the commercials.

No, I absolutely agree with you. The truth is: the actual product being sold by most content providers is the CONSUMER. In other words, they are selling "eyeballs" to advertisers. That's why they play these bundling and "must carry" shenanigans: to get those channels out in front of as many eyeballs as possible.

However, there are a handful of channels popular enough to actually be demanded by consumers, and the content providers have become reliant on the subscriber fees. By contracting to spread it across nearly all consumers, the price is "reasonable". But, if they could only collect the fee from consumers that make a personal decision that the content is worth the price, their subscription revenue would crash.

It would be a double-edged sword, because their audience would inevitably shrink, and their advertising rates would decline.
 
They really need some kind of subscription package if they want people to use the Apple TV. I love my Apple TV 4 but I find myself using my new Fire TV more because of the massive amount of options with Amazon Prime.
 
If there really were even 50 channels that absolutely no one watches, the "eyeball" count would be nill and thus no fools would want to run ads on such channels. With no revenues, all 50 would quickly die. Pick the junkiest of the junk channels and a good number of SOMEBODY is watching or there is some other kind of revenue stream (such as heavy infomercial sales) paying for the channel to exist. They are not in there to force them on the public.

And they do not exist for their theoretical 50 cents (200 channels/$100 per month) which is not actually paid to many of them (just in case anyone thinks otherwise).

Get rid of that $15 HBO slice because I don't want it makes you unhappy. Get rid of Kardashian channels makes the multitudes of Kadashian fans unhappy. Etc. Apple cannot get this right. But I look forward to seeing them try and seeing how even "we" respond.

From my own perspective right now, that Dish $49.99 for 195 channels with DVR looks like a killer deal for "cheap" TV fans. If that includes 175 channels someone never wants to watch, they use Dish's DVR to block those 175 channels so that only the 20 channels they do want to watch show in the on-screen guide. Pair that with a pretty great DVR and an AppleTV for iTunes stuff and it seems like a pretty rich package. They have been offering 1 year of Netflix in that deal too. Let's watch for Apple to really compete with that.

I chopped this quote up a little, just want to put that out there in case it slightly changes your message...

But I wanted to respond here. The commercial aspect is something that is unavoidable. There needs to be commercials in general to support the overall cost of services in order to have access to first-run content. But the additional "channels" may not be a necessity, they're merely a platform to put the content on to be exposed for more commercial revenue. For all we know, they may be lumped into the package of channels at no cost, whether by their own design, or by the cable co's thought process on the big channels they are getting for X cost.

These channels could still be lumped in a bundle... and the wise move should be a combo service where there are live channels arranged in your expected grid guide, PLUS supporting apps... and these providers need to pare down the number of apps they offer. I look at FXNow as an example, all of the FX channels, FX/FXX/FXM have their content within it. I've watched the Simpsons almost my entire life (almost, because I'm older than the show)... and FXX has all the Simpsons ever made -- yet I can't tell you what channel FXX is on Directv (who I subscribe to, and I don't know what channel FX or FXM is either, though I watch American Horror Story, thanks DVR)... but I most certainly use the FXNow app to watch them. So a bundle could still be achieved in a new sense to expose eyeballs, and perhaps even more of them, through consolidation in apps, and a Guide that puts them together.

For this, I look to Playstation Vue as the streaming TV provider that has gotten it the most correct so far... from my perspective. $50 per month at the base.

As far as the $15 dollar slice that HBO costs. It's already sliced out... they made their move to divorce themselves from TV... and it's 3 dollars cheaper for me to get HBO Now rather than subscribe thru Directv... and I may just do that, I just need to know more about how quickly their series appear online to view, or live sports.

Can they compete with Dish on cost? Probably not, dollar for dollar and channel for channel... but they certainly have a better image. They can certainly offer better picture quality. And they could certainly enter more homes since they wouldn't need the satellite antenna outside.
 
No, I absolutely agree with you. The truth is: the actual product being sold by most content providers is the CONSUMER. In other words, they are selling "eyeballs" to advertisers. That's why they play these bundling and "must carry" shenanigans: to get those channels out in front of as many eyeballs as possible.

However, there are a handful of channels popular enough to actually be demanded by consumers, and the content providers have become reliant on the subscriber fees. By contracting to spread it across nearly all consumers, the price is "reasonable". But, if they could only collect the fee from consumers that make a personal decision that the content is worth the price, their subscription revenue would crash.

It would be a double-edged sword, because their audience would inevitably shrink, and their advertising rates would decline.

I mostly agree. I see it more broadly than this seems to imply. The money- be it subscription fees and/or commercials and/or infomercials at 3am, etc mostly flows to the Studios. Paying our $6 each or whatever for ESPN forced into the most broadly available bundle by Disney doesn't solely pay for only what is on that ESPN channel. Instead it all flows into one big Disney pot. That $6 or the ad revenue or the informercial revenue, etc might fund a piece of the next Avengers or Star Wars movie or a new ride at Disney World or something else. But similarly, Disney World revenue surpluses might help buy some additional NBA games or Star Wars profits might pay for some additional NFL games on ESPN. One big pot.

Our dreamer "want" takes revenue out of that pot in one way or another. As it's most often spun, it significantly cuts subscriber revenue, cuts almost all advertising revenue and it does this NOT just on the channels or in the programming we do want to watch but also on all of the "junk channels" or "junk programming" we don't ever watch. Net result: that pot shrinks.

And we want Apple and their 30% cut in too. And that has to come from somewhere.

Greedy Cable companies do not take this hit as they have complete control of the pipe. They will get theirs in full no matter how this plays out.

So it's either us consumers that take the hit for the dream (meaning pay more to drive this change) or the Studios that take the hit (meaning gigantic cut to their revenues to deliver what we say we want, cut Apple in, etc). There is nobody else in the chain to resolve this problem.

If there was ever a "be careful what you wish for" example, this is it. Too many of us are seeing this issue too narrowly. I suspect if we get what we are saying we want: A) we will find ourselves paying a lot more for a lot less diversity of stuff to potentially watch or B) the quality & breadth & depth of the new shows we will watch in the future will slide toward reality show/Kardashian/YouTube productions to make the significantly-lowered revenue flows work with significantly lower costs-of-production.

If we all demanded that the next iPhone must cost 90% less than the current iPhone, I would have zero expectations that the next iPhone would be even remotely as good as the current iPhone if there could even be a next iPhone.
 
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If Apple's offering is over internet, which is it, CRTC can't touch them.. Apple would be the same as Netflix situation. Content rules do not apply.

Netflix produce a lot of huffing and puffing from cable companies ( typical whiners, Rogers, Bell etc. ) , and out the reach of CRTC.

I'd expect any Apple offering be restricted to the u.s.


It would be an interesting model. If they went with this sort of package, I wonder how it would be regulated. Would it be considered just a streaming service (like Netflix/HBO/Hulu) or would it make Apple considered a content provider like your cable company.

This would be an important distinction, at least in Canada, as there are rules made by the CRTC that mandate content providers (Cable companies and satellite) with a wide array of regulations. Such as mandatory Canadian content levels. And soon, all cable/sattelite providers MUST provide a-la-carte channel offerings (They're allowed bundles, but cannot force bundles, all channels must be available individually as well)

There is also a mandated minimum service provision with fixed rate. "basic cable" in Canada MUST contain specified channels, including CBC, CTV, Global, Aboriginal channels, French language channels, and a few US chanels like Fox, NBC, ABC and CBS. in addition to 10 local channels. They also cannot charge more than $25 /mth for this package.
 
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[With Plex available on the ATV4, there is really no need for this. CBS, NBC, and ABC all have channels for Plex. I can watch all of the programs without commercials that way. If the providers are too greedy to allow something in an a la carte plan then the programs are still available and the sponsor will be losing out. If enough people go that route I hope that the networks would eventually come around to being more open. I don't think many of us have any trouble purchasing a plan that has advertisements if it makes our lives better.
 
Hulu won't last "as is". Those 4 networks are seeing CBS make a run at $6/month on it's own. It is reasonably succeeding.
Is it though? I haven't seen any subscriber numbers, but I can't imagine many people biting at that price for a single station, and with commercials to boot (I know I haven't even though I like some of their shows).
How long until ABC, NBC, FOX and CW want the same? Hulu "as is" works now because there's probably contract obligations for some additional period of time and there's not enough money (or financial pain) in the "as is" to really get the "big 4" going. But CBS is showing them how to make $6/month instead of 4 of them sharing a portion of about $12. If you are NBC, ABC, FOX or CW, how long do you put up with that?
Getting twice the fee isn't making them more profit if they have half the customers ...
 
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This was a good post, but you didn't mention the more important part: advertising sales on those 189 channels "I never watch". The lessor channels don't exist for "pennies per month" from subscribers. They exist for advertising sales. Any pennies explicitly allocated to them is just gravy. Bundles of channels are as big as they are because their owners can sell ads on them. They can sell ads because they have enough people watching channels that "I never watch" to be sellable to companies wanting to advertise to that kind of audience. If a Disney could sell ads on 10 more Disney channels right now, there would be 10 more Disney channels in the Disney bundle. If consumers would be willing to watch television that is ONLY ads & infomercials, there would be thousands of channels offered for as little as free.

It's not really about getting a few cents for junk channels via customer subscriptions. It's about having another big pile of advertising slots to sell for each channel they can add that can get a sufficient number of eyeballs watching. Most of the subscriber revenue that actually pays for television content likely goes to a handful of channels with the most desirable (to the masses) content such as first-run hit shows and live (more expensive) sports.

I suspect there's probably a 100-150+ channel "bundle" that could be had for free made up of channels where the advertising is the whole or vast majority of the revenues (just like the "big 5" can be had for free local over-the-air). In other words, if we could move the masses to refuse to pay for cable/satt anymore at all, channels like ESPN, TNT, TBS, etc would probably all die but probably a 100+ channels would keep on coming because they don't actually cost us consumers anything (and they exist for us to see ads instead of for the pennies they might get in a total subscription fee price).

Excellent point about advertising! You're absolutely right.

I was simply following the money from consumers to cable companies... and from cable companies to the content providers.

But you're right... advertising adds a whole other dimension to this :)
 
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