having read the article which says "...this number is up 8%..." (i.e. the 26%) I'm now with El Tritoma.
But a 2% point increase is pretty good too
But a 2% point increase is pretty good too
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Apple Gains Marketshare in Broadcast Market
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El Tritoma
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What it all means
I hope we realize we are not discussing the ins and outs of how to calculate percentage increases. The difference is very important. If standard usage of percentages are being employed, then this is not that big a deal in terms of Apple's market share. If the writer was doing it incorrectly, and I agree that technical writers are often anything but technical (or logical), then a 8 percentage point increase is a really big deal! I hope it did go from 18 to 26%, but that sounds too good to be true.
I hope we realize we are not discussing the ins and outs of how to calculate percentage increases. The difference is very important. If standard usage of percentages are being employed, then this is not that big a deal in terms of Apple's market share. If the writer was doing it incorrectly, and I agree that technical writers are often anything but technical (or logical), then a 8 percentage point increase is a really big deal! I hope it did go from 18 to 26%, but that sounds too good to be true.
Re: What it all means
I sent an email to the company, asking for clarification. You're right, an increase from 18% to 26% is a big deal, so I would like to know...
I sent an email to the company, asking for clarification. You're right, an increase from 18% to 26% is a big deal, so I would like to know...
My 2cts on it
Hats off to Apple...
It seems to me that the combo Hardware/software is paying: good products to support extraordinary applications. Also (and correct me if I am wrong), remember that the most recent apps have been developed by other companies that Apple acquired (DVD apps, Music app, Final Cut Pro). I do think that Apple is still unbeatable: best apps, best integrated apps, best hardware...
The broadcast market is made of very demanding people that can make Apple go the extra mile and this is good for us less demanding customers.
We can only encourage Apple by:
1) buying their products (which we do)
2) not screaming about a 49$ cost for the Ilife apps when the components of Ilife offer such added value
3) being also more demandinga nd ask for always better equipment.
What kills me is when I ear that Aplle is only 3% of the market; what are we talking about here, hardware or OS?... Someone should publish a list of PC vendors and their market share. Then we can compare apples to Apple!
Michel
Hats off to Apple...
It seems to me that the combo Hardware/software is paying: good products to support extraordinary applications. Also (and correct me if I am wrong), remember that the most recent apps have been developed by other companies that Apple acquired (DVD apps, Music app, Final Cut Pro). I do think that Apple is still unbeatable: best apps, best integrated apps, best hardware...
The broadcast market is made of very demanding people that can make Apple go the extra mile and this is good for us less demanding customers.
We can only encourage Apple by:
1) buying their products (which we do)
2) not screaming about a 49$ cost for the Ilife apps when the components of Ilife offer such added value
3) being also more demandinga nd ask for always better equipment.
What kills me is when I ear that Aplle is only 3% of the market; what are we talking about here, hardware or OS?... Someone should publish a list of PC vendors and their market share. Then we can compare apples to Apple!
Michel
Re: % increase math
Thank you! Someone that knows math AND grammar. You, sir, seem to be a rarity.
Thank you! Someone that knows math AND grammar. You, sir, seem to be a rarity.
Just confirmed with Jim Whittington at TrendWatch -
The number is up from 18% last year. So....we're talking about 8 percentage points higher!!! That's a huge deal.
😀
The number is up from 18% last year. So....we're talking about 8 percentage points higher!!! That's a huge deal.
😀
El Tritoma
macrumors member
Re: My 2cts on it
I agree, $49 is a fantastic price, how can you possibly complain about this.
In my business we use Macs for simulation development and creative stuff. We buy cheap Intell computers with Linux to do the simulation runs. Two completey different markets. It is a waste of time to buy a GUI-based OS and its computer if you aren't going to interact with it except at the other end of an ethernet cable! I think this is one reason why iTunes did not increase as much as some people thought because there are a lot of Wintel computers out there that just don't have a real, live person attached to them doing interesting things.
I agree, $49 is a fantastic price, how can you possibly complain about this.
In my business we use Macs for simulation development and creative stuff. We buy cheap Intell computers with Linux to do the simulation runs. Two completey different markets. It is a waste of time to buy a GUI-based OS and its computer if you aren't going to interact with it except at the other end of an ethernet cable! I think this is one reason why iTunes did not increase as much as some people thought because there are a lot of Wintel computers out there that just don't have a real, live person attached to them doing interesting things.
I'm glad you confirmed it with them. I found this on line and came up with a different answer.😕
http://journals.iranscience.net:800/Default/maccentral.macworld.com/news/0205/09.survey.php
Upon further review, I'm assuming this link was for 2001.
El Tritoma
macrumors member
This is one of the things that aggravates me about Apple. News like this should be marketed (I was going to say better, I think I will say "at all"!). It should be on their web site, it should be in ads. They just seem to ignore all this good news and not take advantage of it. I don't think they are making enough of the VT super computer. There have been so many examples of this lately. Sometimes I think the only company worse at marketing was Commodore and the Amiga.
sosumi99
macrumors 6502
Re: My 2cts on it
I agree with what you say here. I think, however, occasionally different Mac users, while all sharing the same goal of promoting Apple's success and having a good computing environment, may differ in the details as to which component of the three-steps is more relevant for them at that moment.
For example, it could be argued that the "Annoyed" side are simply implementing part 3 above by demanding better software upgrade policies.
I am hoping that this time we will have a civil discussion between the Annoyed and the Beraters without name calling, etc.
Let's try to remember that Annoyed and Beraters are all on the same side: we are all Apple users and Apple supporters.
I agree with what you say here. I think, however, occasionally different Mac users, while all sharing the same goal of promoting Apple's success and having a good computing environment, may differ in the details as to which component of the three-steps is more relevant for them at that moment.
For example, it could be argued that the "Annoyed" side are simply implementing part 3 above by demanding better software upgrade policies.
I am hoping that this time we will have a civil discussion between the Annoyed and the Beraters without name calling, etc.
Let's try to remember that Annoyed and Beraters are all on the same side: we are all Apple users and Apple supporters.
8% of What???
I would merely point out that jouranlists are not known for their stunning mathematical insights. the vast majority of journos that I know (and that's a few) will think an increase from 10% to 20% is an increase of 10%, whereas mathematically that's complete nonsense.
A good performance by Applie no doubt about it... but have they now hit the inflection point where the law of diminishing returns sets in...
After all, life is a gaussian distribution...
I would merely point out that jouranlists are not known for their stunning mathematical insights. the vast majority of journos that I know (and that's a few) will think an increase from 10% to 20% is an increase of 10%, whereas mathematically that's complete nonsense.
A good performance by Applie no doubt about it... but have they now hit the inflection point where the law of diminishing returns sets in...
After all, life is a gaussian distribution...
iChan
macrumors 6502a
top down is definitely the way to go... if people at the top are using these great machines, they will eventually trickle down to consumers.
same goes for all the pop stars using apple stuff, at some stage, this is going to seriously affect the buying decision of consumer's next computer purchase.
same goes for all the pop stars using apple stuff, at some stage, this is going to seriously affect the buying decision of consumer's next computer purchase.
probably not .... but never impossible
Apple was near 30% in its hey day.
Compact was there for a couple of years
Gateway was in double digits once.
Now Dell is there
look at all the PC companies that have failed
Atari, Commodore etc
It is very hard to stay at the top of your field someone always comes along to replace you.
Sometimes you come back to the top.
Who will be the next number 1
HP-Compaq , Apple or ??? .... who knows but it can't be DELL because they are there now.
Now we have it. This is tremendous news! This is a 44% increase! This is very good news (though an 8% increase from year to year ain't bad either).
And the confusion is further evidence of journalists that do not know math.
This is actually a real pet peeve of mine. I see this ALL the time in the media, improperly indicating percentage POINT changes for percentage changes. It makes ALL the difference in the world (as this case should demonstrate).
Re: Re: Re: % increase math
Ouch.
Let's just say that I know math better than I know grammar.
;-)
Ouch.
Let's just say that I know math better than I know grammar.
;-)
Forget G4. G4 is dead. G5 is where you want the product line going. Stick a G4 in something and all the reviews will be "blah blah, good machine but it's hella slow".
Signed
A G4 owner <sigh>
Signed
A G4 owner <sigh>
Re: My 2cts on it
It would be intersting to see the market share of each computer brand. I think this is great news for Apple. I hope the market share starts increasing in other market's, too.