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Originally posted by bennetsaysargh
well, no offense, but thats kinda stupid. a garage band trying to make it big probably wont have enough money for a G5, even if it is discounted a little. and then what's to stop other people from saying that they are a garage band? anyone can play horrible instruments and call it a garage band. with government and education, you need to have verification that you are an educator or a government employee, don't you?
Have you seen how much a set of drums cost? If a band put their money together they could do it, otherwise they probably don't have enough money to put together a band (think instruments, speakers, amps, PA) what to speak of record anything.

And who said anything about "verification", would you have to present your "not a rock star" badge to get the recording software? No one has to prove they are a digital photographer to get iPhoto.

Originally posted by crees!
This would be a total insult to indie labels. There are indie bands out there now that beat the pants off of major label bands. Also there are indie labels that have a hefty lineup of kickass bands too.
I don't think this is in reference to indie labels as much as the prospect of bands that are independent of label to have their own shelf space, because that kind of stuff has been known to dilute a digital store or two before. I agree that actual labels of any worth should be in the same categories as the Big 5.

But, as stated before, due to the care Apple has put into the product of the rest of the store, I don't see anyone submitting to iTMS completely independantly as the encoding and samples are important to the overall iTMS experience. I think it is much more likely that it is some sort of recording software, to which I say: cool.
 
Garage Band?

You know what could be a great idea? If apple held their own pop idol/american idol competitions where everyday people from all over can sing at some hall or venue and apple broadcast it live over the internet. The winner could have his/her songs available on the itunes music store for a whole year and apple could back up the production costs and use their own software to make the music videos plus an ipod and imac thrown in for free. That would be great and the publicity around it would be sky high. Plus it would help break itunes to the mass market when itunes music store becomes available for windows and the rest of the world. International fame in a matter of days. Plus the winner gets to sing for the adverts of the itunes music store itself.
 
shh....its a secret!!

i think supercres post is pretty dead on...some correspondence i recieved from a very reliable source in my music forum...thought it might shed some light on garage band...speculate how you will...it is as follows...

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"i was talking to this guy XXXXXX who is really tight w a few apple developers

he is quite well respected in the engineer/producer circles

he mixed the XXXXXXX album for instance

anyways he was telling me how Apple are going to totally make their computers Logic related in so far as there will eventually be dedicated hardware like keys or ext controllers etc + even parts of the OSX system will be optimised w Logic in mind

they want to make Logic & Macs the be all & end all"

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so perhaps apple is going to venture out into a consumer market recording suite plus hardware...i could see it catching on like wildfire if it is properly engineered...there are so many musicians who aren't focused enough or get mixed messages from sniveling music store guys to know the products they really need to produce something that sounds good...like always buying unnecessary 2nd 3rd guitars, hardware thats antiquated or some other magic bullet they think will deliver them...i think...wait...i know so...that with the advent of the g5 one can more easily rival pro studios...its been rivaled with g3 and g4s...just more friendly now :)

my only other thought on garage band is that it may be some sort of contest apple wants to launch like american idol type stuff and the winner gets a mac studio or some service apple will offer for indie artists...

in defense of soundtrack its actually quite a strong app...give it a break its first generation...its like ACID from sonic foundry but with apple intelligence...it will only be improved..i welcome the addition of apple loop utility that integrates seamlessly with ableton live and just remember...soundtrack is its name....scoring and voiceover for video...post production...not intended in concept for full fledged band recordings...although...it could be done...tempting when there are all those seductive logic plugs bundled with it...

and for those who want to use it for that...hopefully garage band is something that will fit yours and my needs better...

"we need (apple) to wave their magic wand and make (music production) special again" -sorry couldn't help quasi quoting waiting for guffman

ok...here is the other part of the same correspondence for you music heads like me i found intriguing...software sponsorship...nike gives shoes...apple gives dongles...AFX is Aphex Twin...BT i believe is http://www.bt-network.org/
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"hows this

BT did all the sound etc for Ssteve Jobs G5 seminar thingie at MWorld expo doo-daa

when steve was showing the g5s specs re music it was all BTs music & his set-up he was pointing to

since apple have emagic BT got as payment 5 Master dongles for ALL emagic products

this USB dongles open every Emagic product avail now & in the future

evidently the V top artists have them & even artists leftfield like AFX have them.

man that would ROCK! hard imo"


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howard dean 2004
 
ORRR... maybe it's a new wavelength frequency that's made for Airport to broadcast direction to your gara....

nah.
 
Re: shh....its a secret!!

Originally posted by balconycollapse
i think supercres post is pretty dead on...some correspondence i recieved from a very reliable source in my music forum...thought it might shed some light on garage band...speculate how you will...it is as follows...

------------------
"i was talking to this guy XXXXXX who is really tight w a few apple developers

he is quite well respected in the engineer/producer circles

he mixed the XXXXXXX album for instance

anyways he was telling me how Apple are going to totally make their computers Logic related in so far as there will eventually be dedicated hardware like keys or ext controllers etc + even parts of the OSX system will be optimised w Logic in mind

they want to make Logic & Macs the be all & end all"

-----------------------
so perhaps apple is going to venture out into a consumer market recording suite plus hardware...i could see it catching on like wildfire if it is properly engineered...there are so many musicians who aren't focused enough or get mixed messages from sniveling music store guys to know the products they really need to produce something that sounds good...like always buying unnecessary 2nd 3rd guitars, hardware thats antiquated or some other magic bullet they think will deliver them...i think...wait...i know so...that with the advent of the g5 one can more easily rival pro studios...its been rivaled with g3 and g4s...just more friendly now :)

my only other thought on garage band is that it may be some sort of contest apple wants to launch like american idol type stuff and the winner gets a mac studio or some service apple will offer for indie artists...

in defense of soundtrack its actually quite a strong app...give it a break its first generation...its like ACID from sonic foundry but with apple intelligence...it will only be improved..i welcome the addition of apple loop utility that integrates seamlessly with ableton live and just remember...soundtrack is its name....scoring and voiceover for video...post production...not intended in concept for full fledged band recordings...although...it could be done...tempting when there are all those seductive logic plugs bundled with it...

and for those who want to use it for that...hopefully garage band is something that will fit yours and my needs better...

"we need (apple) to wave their magic wand and make (music production) special again" -sorry couldn't help quasi quoting waiting for guffman

ok...here is the other part of the same correspondence for you music heads like me i found intriguing...software sponsorship...nike gives shoes...apple gives dongles...AFX is Aphex Twin...BT i believe is http://www.bt-network.org/
-------------------------

"hows this

BT did all the sound etc for Ssteve Jobs G5 seminar thingie at MWorld expo doo-daa

when steve was showing the g5s specs re music it was all BTs music & his set-up he was pointing to

since apple have emagic BT got as payment 5 Master dongles for ALL emagic products

this USB dongles open every Emagic product avail now & in the future

evidently the V top artists have them & even artists leftfield like AFX have them.

man that would ROCK! hard imo"


-------------
howard dean 2004


You should join the Core Audio mailing list and see if there are any hints there.

I think BT actually did a promo video when OSX came out and an interview somewhere about how great MacOS was and how he lived with his 15" PB.

Trent Reznor is a big Mac head too, right?

AFX makes his own equipment I thought.

Maybe Garage Band is why Digi took so long to get PT on OSX. When I was in the loop (no pun intended) they said it was because core audio was not done yet.

Digi seems to be pushing WinTel but it does not seem as though anyone is buying that.
 
Originally posted by MetallicPenguin
Where did Garage Band come from? I don't see that anywhere in the rumor.


they got the idea from me check out my previous post

it wasn't exactally flattery
 
Originally posted by Freg3000
If Apple were to become its own record label...or enable users to create their own music and sell it on the iTMS, I would have a hard time supporting them in the Apple vs. Apple case. I mean, even though people still wouldn't get confused, it is much more of a possibility now.

Apple Corps is suing Apple Computer over contract infringement, not trademark infringement, since Apple Computer agreed not to get into "the music industry".

Originally posted by lewdvig
Its a new label.

Apple is going to promote and publish young artists using its distribution channel: iTMS.

Dude, read the rumor.

Does a music label fall under the category of "computers, computer software, and computer peripherals"?

Originally posted by supercres
Remember that the new G5 towers have that nifty optical audio port. I'm thinking advanced-consumer-grade recording software, bundled with appropriate hardware-- something that every "garage band" can use.

Now that's a possibility.
 
Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
Now that's a possibility.

The more I think about it, the better this option seems, and more likely. Apple already has its pro-/advanced consumer-level video editing software. It seems like branching into audio is the way to go for them.

I really don't think Apple would have stuck that optical port on the G5 without having their own peripherial on the way, or at least their own software ;)

I know someone mentioned the "fact" that a "garage band" isn't going to use a G5 with expensive software to do recordings, but think about it-- it's far more convenient that going to a studio, and far cheaper than building one's own studio, hm? I know I'd love to have it to lay down some of my own tunes with a jazz combo... And if it's never going through analog, think of the quality...
 
It very well could be Apple is going to come out with a digital suite ala ProTools (Apple Corps be damned). It's rather sad too because ProTools was once a bastion of the Mac-only variety, they were almost synonymous. Most real musicians worth any salt use Macs anyways (WIntel? Art? Mutually exclusive!) and if you go to the Digidesign Protools site and see their section on artists using Protools you see something interesting, first off, it's almost a who's who of sorts, and second, when they talk about their set-up it's close to 100% Mac (as it should be).

I guess if I had a point I doubt DigiDesign would drop the Mac but it DOES annoy me that the screen captures in their help is of dialogue boxes of ugly gray PC or crappy XP rip-off of OS X, used to be all Mac OS (9). As a Protools intermediate user who kinda gets annoyed, especially from some of the quirks (like not seeing the 001 Firewire rack system or my Mbox hooked to my iBook on the road acting funky, not good funky) and very obtuse instructions and sometimes a lot of trial and error to get things to work... I'd be perfectly happy if Apple came out with a strong competitor. But please don't name it Garage Band unless it's like a cheap iLife app! That's almost make sense.
 
Soundtrack extension?

Adding some groupware abilities into Soundtrack could serve as another hook to sell .Mac subscriptions. Joint composition or recording in near-real time like that can be fun, but moving the files around tends to be awkward right now.
 
Originally posted by Photorun
It very well could be Apple is going to come out with a digital suite ala ProTools (Apple Corps be damned). It's rather sad too because ProTools was once a bastion of the Mac-only variety, they were almost synonymous. Most real musicians worth any salt use Macs anyways (WIntel? Art? Mutually exclusive!) and if you go to the Digidesign Protools site and see their section on artists using Protools you see something interesting, first off, it's almost a who's who of sorts, and second, when they talk about their set-up it's close to 100% Mac (as it should be).

I think Digi were disappointed that they had to come out with an OSX version. Maybe they thought more people would buy PCs?

Kinda like that copmment the Quark CEO made last year. Paraphrased, 'if you want a new version of Quark so bad, buy a PC - they are faster anyway!'

And all of a sudden InDesign is selling well.
 
Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
Dude, read the rumor.
Does a music label fall under the category of "computers, computer software, and computer peripherals"?

Sorry rumor cop!

iTMS does not fall into that category either.

Steve has always had Hollywood motives so I think that the label rumor is valid, if highly unlikely.

I can not see a software product being called Garage Band. I think a distribution label or contest is more likely.

What I am suggesting is not a reord label that finds and manages artists, but a distribution label. Kind of like Activision distributing id's Doom III.

All those indie labels would have a solid distribution channel and would seriously push the Apple brand. They can not distribute music as Apple because of the Beatles/Apple thingy.

I am right. Just admit it.
 
could be mastering software though...

Apple won't do MIDI electronic music type software with a name like 'Garage Band.' Maybe earlier poster is right, bring raw unmixed tracks into 'Garage Band' and Mix and Master the music.

Who knows... just big brain Steve.
 
Originally posted by bennetsaysargh
i think iTMS can be considered software. it runs through iTunes, which is software.

It's more properly considered a service. I mean, MacRumors runs through Safari, which is software, but it's not software itself.

The trademark indicates that Garage Band itself will be a computer software or peripheral, or both. Not a record label or service, since those would be under different categories.
 
Just to prove I am a nice guy, Phil is right. The iTMS has a different trademark than that for just iTunes:

iTMS:
'Retail store services in the field of entertainment, namely, musical and audiovisual works and related merchandise, provided via the internet and other computer and electronic communication networks; Retail store services in the field of entertainment, namely, musical and audiovisual works and related merchandise, provided via the internet and other computer and electronic communication networks.'

iTunes:
'Computer software for use in authoring, downloading, transmitting, receiving, editing, extracting, encoding, decoding, playing, storing and organizing audio data.'

So, Garage Band is not a label.
 
Pu-lease!

Apple (the label) suing Apple (the computer company) is about as silly as Metallica suing that Canadian band for their use of the E and F chords... but not near as silly. That's one of the most rediculous thing I have heard.

I'm diggin' the whole indie band, distribution through iTMS concept(s). THAT seems soooo Apple - there for the little guy.
Would like to see that door opened.
It was only a matter of time before Apple did for the music indusry what it did for the film industry. Completely redefined.

Rock on.
 
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