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Apple Gets 36% of Google's Safari Search Revenue
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Exactly! Business is business. There's no bribe here.
So people think that paying premium to a newspaper to place your ad in the front page is also a bribe?
What's wrong with people's heads lately?
So we can all agree now that Apple's privacy stance is just pure marketing?
“8GB RAM = 16GB RAM”
Safari is “three different” browsers on iOS, iPadOS, and macOS.
Google is the “best.” There is “no valid alternative.”
The good stuff keeps on rolling in this week.
Safari is “three different” browsers on iOS, iPadOS, and macOS.
Google is the “best.” There is “no valid alternative.”
The good stuff keeps on rolling in this week.
If they paid you $15 billion they would be.
There is no way Apple just "trusts Google" on such a matter: that would basically mean Apple is telling Google "I don't know how much you owe me, so just write me a check with the amount you say is right and I'll take it."
There is definitely a way Apple can verify the numbers independently.
What’s crazy is how much profit this deal gives Apple. If the numbers are to be trusted this basically pure profit deal accounts for a whopping 20% of apples income. (99b in 2022).
In all seriousness I’m not sure how Apple could end this google deal voluntarily without getting sued into oblivion by shareholders for not protecting their value. Just crazy.
In all seriousness I’m not sure how Apple could end this google deal voluntarily without getting sued into oblivion by shareholders for not protecting their value. Just crazy.
Buying an ad in a newspaper is not remotely the same thing as this.
This payment by Google to Apple is so Apple doesn't develop their own competing search engine.
Google reportedly pays $18 billion a year to be Apple’s default search engine
Apple and Google are great partners — and great competitors.
www.theverge.com
That money not only gives Google prime placement on Apple devices but it also has historically kept Apple from building its own search engine. John Giannandrea, a former Google executive who now runs machine learning and AI at Apple, testified during the trial that Apple had considered everything from buying Bing to building its own search engine but worried both about competing with Google and losing its deal.
"losing its deal" = losing out on the billions Google pays Apple each year
It's not public knowledge, other than leaks. Shareholders are not privy to these deals or the numbers
It's not a bribe, but it's a business deal against the interest of consumers.
Now, companies don't need to do the interest of consumers, but this is in the context of an anti-trust case and the deal definitely helps Google in cementing its search engine market dominance.
I must admit, excellent reporting. But alas, for ME...I don't care that much.
It's called payment for a service. An agreement doesn't have to be public for it to not be a bribe. There is a clearly defined arrangement that Google is purchasing here - being the default search engine. We can debate all day if this is a good/moral arrangement. But it's not a bribe.If it's not a bribe, then what do you call it when Alphabet/Google pays Apple to not develop their own search engine that would compete with Google?
Google Is Paying Apple a Lot of Money Not to Build a Search Engine. Why It's Just Not Worth It
The money Apple gets isn't worth the conflict with its values.www.inc.com
I don’t see how this arrangement is sustainable for either Apple or Google in the long run. It’s too fraught.
IMHO from the purely business' point of view it's a ridiculously good deal for Apple.
To monetize a theoretical in-house search engine to the extent Google does Apple would have to compromise on their privacy stance: with this deal instead Apple has the best search engine without having to develop one in-house and gets a ton of money Google can pay because Google can monetize the searches to a far greater extent.
Sure, it basically means Apple is OK with getting money which ultimately is generated by compromising the user's privacy, but it's still Google doing that, not Apple directly.
Nah, it will always benefit Apple because they get $20 billion+ a year from Google. Google are the ones that might suffer down the line.
Google is the one analysing the searches. Every time you search a query it will log in their server and do the maths.
Gone are the days when Apple would criticize business practices like this one.
Now they soak it up.
Now they soak it up.
I have Ecosia as my default search engine on all my Apple devices. It uses Bing. Duck Duck Go uses Bing. Yahoo uses Bing. So it doesn't matter which you choose; you're stuck with either Google or Bing. I'd be happy for Apple to create its own search engine; at least there'd be more choice.
Mr Cook putting on a master class in hypocrisy:
From Tim's speech on 10/24/18:
Apple Chief Executive Tim Cook on Wednesday said customer data was being “weaponized with military efficiency” by companies to increase profit and called for a federal privacy law in the United States.
Apple, which designs many of its products so that it cannot see users’ data, has largely avoided the data privacy scandals that have enmeshed its rivals Google and Facebook this year.
“The desire to put profits over privacy is nothing new,” Cook told a packed audience of privacy regulators, corporate executives and other participants.
“Today that trade has exploded into a data industrial complex. Our own information, from the everyday to the deeply personal, is being weaponized against us with military efficiency,” Cook said.
“These scraps of data ... each one harmless enough on its own ... are carefully assembled, synthesized, traded, and sold,” Cook said.
“We shouldn’t sugarcoat the consequences. This is surveillance. And these stockpiles of personal data serve only to enrich the companies that collect them,” he said.
Source: https://www.reuters.com/article/cbusiness-us-eu-privacy-apple-idCAKCN1MY1DF-OCABS
From Tim's speech on 10/24/18:
Apple Chief Executive Tim Cook on Wednesday said customer data was being “weaponized with military efficiency” by companies to increase profit and called for a federal privacy law in the United States.
Apple, which designs many of its products so that it cannot see users’ data, has largely avoided the data privacy scandals that have enmeshed its rivals Google and Facebook this year.
“The desire to put profits over privacy is nothing new,” Cook told a packed audience of privacy regulators, corporate executives and other participants.
“Today that trade has exploded into a data industrial complex. Our own information, from the everyday to the deeply personal, is being weaponized against us with military efficiency,” Cook said.
“These scraps of data ... each one harmless enough on its own ... are carefully assembled, synthesized, traded, and sold,” Cook said.
“We shouldn’t sugarcoat the consequences. This is surveillance. And these stockpiles of personal data serve only to enrich the companies that collect them,” he said.
Source: https://www.reuters.com/article/cbusiness-us-eu-privacy-apple-idCAKCN1MY1DF-OCABS
All they have to log is the user agent under this arrangement. It doesn't need any location, IP, or other information.
They can be spoofed but no one does.