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Apple closed garden is the reason it has less security issues than Android. Surely the EU knows that......................................or am I giving these bureaucrats way too much credit?
 
In what way are they different? It’s a computing device with Bluetooth, WiFi, G5 to connect to the world. It uses the same underlying technology of macOS, iPadOS, watchOS.

Please explain why it’s different?
You just reduced those two entities down to the common denominator - which is why it’s a false equivalency. Might as well they are chips that were built with sand.
 
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I’ll bet you wouldn’t like it if there were some regulations forcing you to open up your home and take in borders against your will.

Since such a hypothetical regulation is a net positive for society it must be good.
This can’t be compared with each other. The EU forces Apple to open up its API’s to give different brands the same possibilities to communicate. If you want only Apple gear, nothing changes for you.

If you buy a car and the manufacturer forces you to buy only Michelin and make it impossible for continental or Goodyear to offer tires, you wouldn’t like it either.

It’s about freedom of choice and fair competition. Microsoft faced the same with their internet explorer in the past.
 
No, but I'm grateful there's regulations mandating my home has the same kind of electrical socket as my neighbors. Means I can buy a fan from Target and plug it into my Walmart power strip. In what world is interoperability a bad thing?
I’m also glad there are regulations mandating standards in food, air and water and many other facets of society needed to survive, and the like. But we don’t need a nanny states.
 
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You don't know what you are talking about. Europe account includes non EU countries (UK, Russia, Turkey, Switzerland, Norway, and Ukraine) and Middle East.
Please tell me more about the sales numbers of iPhones in Russia (they don't even operate there anymore), Ukraine, Turkey. Or the Middle East? I'm sure Yemen has the same buying potential as France or Germany.
Switzerland and Norway jointly have about 14 million people, while the EU has 450. The only relevant thing here is the UK and they are eagerly working on their on regulations in close follow up with the EU's.
You can act all up about how Apple doesn't need the EU. They do. But in case if they would cease operations here, you would be paying the price. Because one way or an other, Apple is gonna get it's money. So I wouldn't cheer for them to leave the EU.
 
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I don't see an issue with this. It's not right that Apple devices do not play nicely with other brand's smart watches. Imagine if Macs only worked with Apple keyboards, mice, and monitors.
That's how the market works. If you don't believe in market economics, then say that. But companies compete in a market; if consumers don't like what the company is offering, the company suffers.

Consumers seemingly like what Apple is doing. At least 25% of the EU market likes it. 70% choose something else.
 
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…I do think there are things that the EU might try to require that would cause Apple to pull out even if it cost them on the balance sheet (encryption backdoors being the first example that comes to mind).
Do you predict they’d pull out of China for the same reason?
 
What I need is more garbage on my Apple Systems. The Apple Apps store is right at full with garbage Apps. Apps can and do have a place. With all the garbage, more challenging finding the quality good ones. Example, iPad calculator. Apple finally taking out the garbage, and what does the EU do, dump it right back.
 
The EU can sod off on this one. I hope Apple puts their foot down on this request and tells them where to shove it.
 
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Apple needs to tell that ***** Vesthager to **** off already. This is beyond absurd. If only Apple had a CEO who would have told the EU to pound sand years ago none of this would be happening.
 
Who plugs their phone into a wire in 2024? Far as I'm concerned Apple could get rid of that hole in the chassis entirely - Call it "improved waterproofing".
The USB-C port may not be relevant to the common, below average user.
Be aware that some of us use own phones for more than simply going on Facebook and checking E-mails.

USB-C port connects to Docks and connectors for External Monitors, External Storage, Ethernet Ports, Serial Ports and many other devices.

I charge my phone using MagSafe at home and office, but USB-C when in the car to instantly connect to CarPlay. And also use it to connect to other devices, including the ones I listed in the previous paragraph.
 
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Apple closed garden is the reason it has less security issues than Android. Surely the EU knows that......................................or am I giving these bureaucrats way too much credit?
It’s not about opening up iOS. It’s about opening up API’s so other brands can communicate the same way with it as Apple released gear.

macOS also opened up their API’s so you can connect other gear as well.

Does this mean it’s less secure? Depends how the API’s are programmed by Apple.
 
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Apple closed garden is the reason it has less security issues than Android. Surely the EU knows that......................................or am I giving these bureaucrats way too much credit?
That is so wrong on so many level. Closed source does not automatically equal higher levels of security. That is research field in it‘s own and down to definitions that you apply on what you consider secure.
 
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I'm an EU citizen and definitely not a fan of "govern me harder Daddy".

Let the free market decide. Sure some regulation is good, but don't overstep into thinking you can dictate like a Product Manager.
 
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The eu is coming after Apple because they have no indigenous innovation. Can’t compete, so regulate.
You do know that most of the high end machinery needed to make Apple Silicon chips come from a European company called ASML?

You do know the ARM architecture that Apple Silicon is using is from a British company?
 
This isn't about 'EU companies not liking something'. It's about the EU as a market regulator. Market regulators don't respond to inbalances by launching their own competing products. That would be like saying that the FAAs response to Boeing's non-compliance should be to set up their own aircraft manufacturing company.
While I see where you coming from the analogy isn’t the same. The EU started making the fuss because their tech firms were and are having a difficult time gaining a foothold in outside markets. The EU then started to look at funds the commission from companies that do business in the EU. Problem is their own companies started to push back on that idea, so they went the route of fines. Problem with fines is that the dollar amounts aren’t typically large enough to cover the funding. An analogy for that would be how here in the US traffic tickets are calculated in upcoming budgets for cities and states and therefore by definition create a budgetary shortfall if there isn’t enough citations issued and are paid. A further analogy would be pharmaceutical companies spending a certain amount of money to develop a drug to cure something, then having some outside influence regulating how much you can charge to not only make your initial investment back but the profit. The market determines a price. If people don’t buy something then by default the price goes down. The problem with this analogy is when we start talking about market price fixing. As with the FAA analogy you are talking safety verse consumer consideration. An average consumer can’t be expected to know if the jet engine installed on a planes wing causes an unacceptable risk of life. Contrary the average consumer can’t decide if they want to buy a phone with some features and not others. My issue isn’t confined to their complaints, but rather focused on the 10% fine on global sales. The fine in itself out weighs Apples sales in the EU, which makes doing business in the EU advantageous for Apple as a whole.
 
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