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What's wrong with iOS running on a Huawei device?

You may resort to conspiracy theories all you want, but ultimately we'll survive just fine without Apple and their cartel. It's not integral to our history, it's just a business.
What conspiracy theories? Huawei didn't get banned in the US for no reason.

How would you like some government to handout your lifetime work to others so they could benefit from it for free and at the same time negatively affect your business?

"Apple and their Cartel"... now that's a conspiracy theory... Nobody is forcing you to buy from Apple. If you don't like it, go Android and stay there. The fact that you don't like Apple doesn't give you the right to throw rocks to Apple and their users.

People forgot the days of Windows vs Linux. It was a clean competition, without trying dirty moves.
We are living in a crybaby/tree-hugger/save-the-cows generation.
 
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Creating an API for 3rd party products to have access to core functions such as notifications, read/write to health data and controlling the phone like answering calls, volume up/down or chime the phone/watch/speaker etc?

why not?
 
If any of you came to Brussels and met some of the people (bureaucrats) concerned you'd understand immediately the problem. I wouldn't go so far as to say that they are starting to realise it themselves but the report on European Competitiveness delivered to them by Mario Draghi last week (written by academics from all over Europe) makes for sad reading. Seems to me they are entering a doom-spiral. Vestager is about to be replaced any second so we'll see if that changes anything.

 
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What conspiracy theories? Huawei didn't get banned in the US for no reason.

How would you like some government to handout your lifetime work to others so they could benefit from it for free and at the same time negatively affect your business?

"Apple and their Cartel"... now that's a conspiracy theory... Nobody is forcing you to buy from Apple. If you don't like it, go Android and stay there. The fact that you don't like Apple doesn't give you the right to throw rocks to Apple and their users.

People forgot the days of Windows vs Linux. It was a clean competition, without trying dirty moves.
We are living in a crybaby/tree-hugger/save-the-cows generation.
...I mean one of the reasons Huawei got banned absolutely has to do with the US protectionist policy.

This "lifetime work to others" argument is absolute nonsense. You're comparing a single individual to a conglomerate, and said conglomerate has far more influence over society than me or you, so it should be subjected to different regulations.

I don't see how comparing Apple to a cartel is that farfetched. They're doing anti-competitive tactics and forcing people to work overtime in 3rd world countries lol.

I'm not throwing a rock at Apple's users. Maybe you shouldn't take this at heart lol
 
Creating an API for 3rd party products to have access to core functions such as notifications, read/write to health data and controlling the phone like answering calls, volume up/down or chime the phone/watch/speaker etc?

why not?
But iOS already does that.
I commented before but Fitbit can answer calls on the watch, and receive notifications from iOS.

Thinking about it more, it can also tap into the Google Maps and YouTube Music apps, so there's also some app data access.
 
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Apparently RCS and side loading wasn’t enough.

I can already pair my AirPods and iPhone with my work Windoze laptop. So what else does the [redacted] EU want?
Apple. They want Apple. Well Apple's money to be more precise. Any regulation they can come up with to fine them achieves that goal.
 
Completely disagree.

There are several misconceptions present in this comment.

Firstly, the claim that Huawei is being blocked from operating properly in Europe is not accurate. Although Huawey faces some restrictions in some European countries, mainly regarding 5G networks, Huawei continues to offer a wide range of products in the European market like, for example Tablets, Smartphones, Laptops and Wearables, just naming a few, not to mention the a huge percentage of the inverters that are being used in solar plants, for example.

This variety of products demonstrates that, despite some restrictions, Huawei maintains a significant presence in the European technology market, so your assertion, carefully avoiding the other examples I gave, like Samsung or Xiaomi, is, at least wrong leading.

On other hand, the assertion that "innovation and free market are just buzzwords" ignores substantial historical and economic evidence. The free market has been a fundamental driver for innovation and technological progress through history for several reasons. While government regulation has its role, especially in matters of safety and consumer protection, excessive control can have negative effects of limitation of choice, creating entry barriers, inefficiency and rigidity.

While regulation has its place in protecting consumers and ensuring safety standards, a careful balance is necessary. A market excessively controlled by state can stifle innovation and limit consumer choices. Economic history shows us that free markets, when properly regulated, have been the most effective engines for driving innovation and technological progress, benefiting both consumers and society as a whole.

This is not the case lately with the EU and the last Draghi report makes several key points about excessive regulation in the EU. The report emphasizes that while regulation is necessary, excessive regulation is hampering EU competitiveness and innovation, particularly in comparison to the US and China.

So no, this is not a conspiracy theory. Just a legitimate question about what is driving this systematic attack on some USA based companies like Apple and Google.
"Free Market" means everybody has the right to participate in the market "race", regardless of how big or small you are.
This does not mean that the big guys need to hold your hand and/or carry you along the way, or let you drink from their water bottle.

If you want to enter the market race, you need to be ready and bring your own gear.
The fact that some are stronger and run faster than others do not disqualify them from the race.

Imagine a race where the 'judges' put obstacles in front of the best runners so the less capable runners could keep up with the pace.
 
There's a nice straw man. How about you steel man our arguments before you pretend to understand our culture?


The EU did not force the adoption of USB-C on Apple. Apple had already been moving toward this standard for years. And once I got my USB-C iphone, you know what I had to do with the 50 or so lightning cables I had? I'll let you think that over.
Thank you for evidencing my thoughts.
 
Apple is getting what it’s earned. Their AppStore greed has caused a world of hurt on them. Because they wouldn’t let go of their IAP fees, and anti-steering rules, now they have to open up their OS more and more. So so so many commentators warned them that if they kept on their path of AppStore greed that legislation would come and dictate how they run their business.
So, you admit that the goal here is for the EU to run Apple's business?

"Let's Nationalize Apple! To the barricades!"
 
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Creating an API for 3rd party products to have access to core functions such as notifications, read/write to health data and controlling the phone like answering calls, volume up/down or chime the phone/watch/speaker etc?

why not?
There are many APIs open to 3rd party products already.
But forcing Apple to open all their technology to 3rd Parties is ridiculous because these leeches didn't fund it, didn't work for it, didn't developed it and didn't maintained it.
 
Maybe teens and even grown ups bullying each other because of iMessage and the general view that having an iPhone implies you have a higher social status? I mean case manufacturers intentionally develop cases with a cutout around the apple logo...

And you are blaming Apple for the $*tty behavior of idiots? I say idiots because there are much more expensive phones than iPhone from Samsung and Huawei. And thanks to carriers competing for customers, you can even get free iPhones.

If you want to blame Apple, which does nothing to present itself as a snobbish brand only for the wealthy, then maybe you should sic the EU on LVMH. (Of course that won't happen since LVMH is in the EU.)

Apple has multi-billion dollar contracts with the parties mentioned, therefore they're an oligopoly - they will be attacking each other in front of the general public.

Apple is not an oligopoly. A single company cannot be an oligopoly. Maybe you should look up the definition. Then notice that there are many companies competing in the smartphone market from all over the world. Also notice that it is still an evolving market with new entrants.

Weakening Apple will only be bad for Apple - it will be good for everyone else.

Apple is a minor player in the EU cell-phone market. Weakening it will only serve to strengthen the Google-Android hegemony.
 
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People complaining it will worsen the iphone. Meanwhile because of EU we will have removable batteries in a near future, and we already have usb-C.

Meanwhile in USA things like some gym’s dont even let you unsubscribe from a membership if its not by post. Thats what happens when there is absolutely no regulation.

Now can there be overregulation? Thats totally possible. But apple always will find their way to be the same. I still havent lost a thing on the iphone from all the things EU did, just added.
Who plugs their phone into a wire in 2024? Far as I'm concerned Apple could get rid of that hole in the chassis entirely - Call it "improved waterproofing".
 
Apple is a minor player in the EU cell-phone market. Weakening it will only serve to strengthen the Google-Android hegemony.
May be Apple needs to pay up. If EU is serious, they need to investigate how much campaign donations and money these law makers receive from Google or other EU companies that benefit from this shakedown. I bet if Apple can grease the palms, all this will cool down. At this point it looks like a shakedown/extortion.
 
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