The list you show is more a market capital list.BYD is Chinese and on there. Though this list also has Tesla as #2.
How does one measure "innovation" anyways?
These days innovation is often measured by the amount of unique patents granted.
The list you show is more a market capital list.BYD is Chinese and on there. Though this list also has Tesla as #2.
How does one measure "innovation" anyways?
The list you show is more a market capital list.
These days innovation is often measured by the amount of unique patents granted.
It behaves monopolistic because it only favors one company (Apple) to work communicate with iPhone iOS well. That’s intentional and anti competitive.Apple has about 25% marketshare in the EU. Not a monopoly. Not even close.
No Apple has to open up any and all APIs they use for their products to their competitors
And your weather example is good case of why if my battery dying so fast on my phone there are reason Apple does some things the way they do.
Which should be completely within its rights to do as long as it isn't actually a monopoly. And last time I checked, having 27% of the smartphone market doesn't make you a monopoly.It behaves monopolistic because it only favors one company (Apple) to work communicate with iPhone iOS well. That’s intentional and anti competitive.
AT&T and lucent labs would disagree. Look up bell labs Holmdel New Jersey.Monopolistic behavior kills innovation.
Yep, you’re right. Let those people who’ve studied for this make those decisions for us.Which should be completely within its rights to do as long as it isn't actually a monopoly. And last time I checked, having 27% of the smartphone market doesn't make you a monopoly.
That's why we're never going to agree here - we fundamentally disagree on whether or not Apple should be prohibited from doing what the EU says it should be prohibited from doing.
Exactly. It’s already there. iOS 18 in EU is a joke. Sequoia the same. If EU will continue with all this BS, soon there will be no point to have any Apple devices in EU. No new features or very very delayed.They will add new features just not for the EU.
Exactly. That is why we chose Apple.I it only favors one company (Apple) to work communicate with iPhone iOS well. That’s intentional
What are the dangers of a monopoly?AT&T and lucent labs would disagree. Look up bell labs Holmdel New Jersey.
Seriously? “Suffer”? You, my friend, really love your phone.At this point, Apple should tell the EU to GFY and pull all of their devices and let their people suffer. The demand from the customers in the EU will put the pressure on the EU to change its tyrannical approach. if the EU wants these things, build your own devices and OS and market. You don't get to dictate to another company who spends their resources and time designing a product and then levy fines because you don't like their business model. If the customers don't like it, they can go buy crappy Androids.
Who is “we” and why not “I”?Exactly. That is why we chose Apple.
Yep, you’re right. Let those people who’ve studied for this make those decisions for us.
Oh wait, those are the ones who made those rules in Europe. 😂🤣😂
The blueprint for the DSA was laid out in a one-sided report ordered by the Commission, and followed by a public consultation that included a plethora of loaded questions. A leak ultimately revealed that the Commission had already drafted most of the proposed legislation before it received any responses to the public consultation. In short, for Vestager and her team, the last year has merely been an exercise in ex post rationalization.
You said monopolies hurt innovation. I gave you an example to look at an award winning monopolist. It’s clear AT&T(bell) wasn’t inefficient, didn’t lack innovation. Ah yes I agree about prices - except today the companies that emerged form an oligopoly.What are the dangers of a monopoly?
Monopolies can hurt consumers because they lead to inefficiencies, a lack of innovation, and higher prices.
The EU would have been much better off saying you can no longer use micro and mini USB versus saying you must use USB-C. One gets rid of a horrible ports; the other stifles future ports being created.What company is going to spend $$ on development of a new port knowing the very tall hill to climb for it to become the new standard?
Thought experiment:
Apple invests in a new port.
Google invests in a new port.
Intel invests in a new port.
Companies X, Y and Z also invest in a new port.
Only 1 is going to win.
All will claim theirs is better and the others are terrible.
Outcome will be:
EU decides that USBC is good enough and we should hold on to the current standard, Innovation is stifled.OrEU bureaucrats will make a half baked decision on a new standard, probably based on lobbyist $$, and lock us all into their mess.Lesson learned for all the losers.... don't play the game. Innovation is stifled.
“We the People” 😄Who is “we” and why not “I”?
I respect your preferred choice. That’s your choice out of free will. When you’re happy with that, I’m happy for you.
Can I also have a free choice and use my iPhone with whatever brand earbuds I choose?
Well… let Apple go to the highest court and let them fight this out. If you believe in democracy than you have to settle with the outcome.They didn't study anything. They came in with a predetermined notion that Apple and other big tech firms were being anti-competitive, and then set rules based on that pre-determined notion. They didn't do any checking for findings of consumer harm, etc. Seriously, read the background behind the law.
To get you started, here's an article from a European law professor:
Be happy they didn’t chose the lighting port as a standard 😂😂😂What company is going to spend $$ on development of a new port knowing the very tall hill to climb for it to become the new standard?
Thought experiment:
Apple invests in a new port.
Google invests in a new port.
Intel invests in a new port.
Companies X, Y and Z also invest in a new port.
Only 1 is going to win.
All will claim theirs is better and the others are terrible.
Outcome will be:
EU decides that USBC is good enough and we should hold on to the current standard, Innovation is stifled.OrEU bureaucrats will make a half baked decision on a new standard, probably based on lobbyist $$, and lock us all into their mess.Lesson learned for all the losers.... don't play the game. Innovation is stifled.
What company is going to spend $$ on development of a new port knowing the very tall hill to climb for it to become the new standard?
What if I told you lighting and USB-C are very similar and Apple did a lot of work on USB-C.Be happy they didn’t chose the lighting port as a standard 😂😂😂
Nobody's explained how they're giving anything away.
As of now competing smartwatches on iOS cannot even update the weather without opening their app
Several. It's literally a meme.
Lightning isn’t similar to usb-c. Thunderbolt is. And yes I know that Apple did a lot of work together with intel on usb-c. Also with thunderbolt. I even remember the first Mac’s to arrive with usb. Back then it was great. How time flies 😊What if I told you lighting and USB-C are very similar and Apple did a lot of work on USB-C.
If I am understanding your point correctly I would say: from my perspective Apple should not be forced to give a competitors device access to "stock apple apps" such as the weather app. The manufacturer of the competing smartwatch would need to provide their own weather source to be fed to their watch via their app on the iphone. I don't know how this really works but my thought is Apple pays someone for access to weather data, therefore Apple shouldn't be forced to give that data away for free via access to the stock app via an API. Same for any other Apple created stock app, like contacts or email or phone. The manufacturer of the competing device can provide that functionality via their own app.
From my perspective all Apple needs to do is provide a way to pair the competing device to the iPhone and allow communication between the device and competing app on the iPhone. Apple should not be forced to allow access to things like iMessage for alerts, the competing company can of course pay Apple for that access but it shouldn't be provided for free. One could argue that "free" data could/should be provided by APIs, like time, that could easily be shared with a competing device by the iPhone versus forcing it to be through the competing app.
Obviously, my post about that was sarcastic. People here complain about everything except AAPL, whereas the anticompetitive bully is Tim Cook!EU citizens have the power to vote with their wallets. EU citizens have actually shown that they overwhelmingly prefer Android-based smartphones to iPhone. Apple only holds about 25% marketshare.
How is this not achieving the end you're hoping for already?
Then Apple is a dead duck in the water and consumers will buy those gear that will 😊