Apple Goes to Court With French Tax Activist Group That Paints Company as The Empire From Star Wars

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Last month, Apple sued French tax activist group "Attac" for occupying its flagship Parisian store during a protest of what Attac called "wide-scale tax evasion." Today, Apple has asked the court in Paris to ban the group from its French stores and prevent any further stunts from happening.

    In response to the court filing, Attac today mobilized in front of the court in further protest, sporting a Star Wars theme that equates Apple to The Empire and Tim Cook to Emperor Palpatine (via The Guardian and MacGeneration).

    Image via @attac_fr

    The court will rule later in February on the case, and Apple is said to hope for a full ban to prevent any Attac members entering or being near its Apple retail locations. Apple said the group "vandalizes" its stores and potentially "endangers" staff and customers. One protest in November 2017 saw Attac write "Apple pay your taxes" on a window at Apple Aix-en-Provence. Following Apple's claims, the group said its protests are "good natured."
    In the case filing, Apple said that it has "a long tradition of supporting individuals and groups that peacefully express their opinions," but the company believes the vandalism of its stores and potential danger to its customers are steps too far. In addition to the ban, Apple France has asked the court to fine the activist group 150,000 EUR, and 3,000 EUR in commercial damages "if they break the ban."

    Images via @attac_fr and @Soltrumbo

    An Attac spokesperson denied the vandalism reports from 2017 and said the group "simply went into Apple shops in a festive and good-natured way with music and theatre."
    Attac's ire is focused on tax avoidance claims lodged at Apple over the past few years. In August 2016, the European Commission ruled that Apple must repay 13 billion euros ($15.46 billion) in back taxes dating between 2003 and 2014, which it reportedly avoided with the help of sweetheart tax deals from Ireland. Now, Apple will begin paying the back taxes owed to Ireland around March, expected to continue through September.

    The French court is expected to announce its decision on the case on Friday, February 23.

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  2. ericgtr12, Feb 12, 2018
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    ericgtr12 macrumors 65816


    Mar 19, 2015
    This thread is worthless without the Darth Vader theme playing in the background.

  3. theheadguy macrumors 65816

    Apr 26, 2005
    This art is fantastic. I approve solely because of this. :D:apple:
  4. jdillings macrumors 68000

    Jun 21, 2015
    Can we trade BLM for these Stormtrooper wearin' tax activists?
  5. miniyou64 macrumors 6502a


    Jul 8, 2008
  6. radiology macrumors 6502


    Feb 11, 2014
    Westlake, OH
    This made my day! Great art work!

    Is Apple against free speech?
  7. samcraig macrumors P6

    Jun 22, 2009
    Meanwhile in the US, ATT is suing Attac for infringing on their "ownership" of the death star
  8. lolkthxbai macrumors 65816


    May 7, 2011
    What i wanna know is on what machine the apple death star and tim cook photos were made
  9. Wondercow macrumors 6502a

    Aug 27, 2008
    Toronto, Canada
    Where in the piece does it show or imply that Apple is against free speech? Apple doesn't want them trespassing, damaging property, or obstructing and endangering customers and staff.

    Also, free speech means the government won't unnecessarily limit a person's expression; it doesn't apply at all to private parties.
  10. KazKam macrumors 6502


    Oct 25, 2011
    I expect this type of behavior from the French, because they're, you know, French. But the fact that this socialist/communist mentality is actually taking root in the US is, quite honestly, scaring the **** out of me.

    If I were Apple, I'd just pull out of France. They'd probably sell just as many iPhones there on the gray/black market.
  11. chucker23n1 macrumors 68020


    Dec 7, 2014
    Bit hard to suss out the good/bad player in this.

    Apple may have gone a bit far with their tax shenanigans. Attac may have gone a bit far with their protests.
  12. cmwade77 macrumors 65816

    Nov 18, 2008
    I am not sure about in France, but in the U.S., protesters can be on public property, they cannot enter private property to protest like this.

    Personally, I think everywhere has overly complicated tax codes, let's just abolish all income taxes and move a flat sales tax.
  13. windywalks macrumors 6502

    Mar 12, 2004
    Wow, they have time at that time of day?
    Someone needs to get a job and pay taxes them selves.
  14. SigEp265 macrumors 6502


    Dec 15, 2011
    Southern California
    They just wanted an excuse to dress up as a storm trooper.
  15. magicschoolbus macrumors 65816


    May 27, 2014
    A little surprised by the comments here.

    It's no surprise that Apple avoids taxes. How does this make them communists/socialists? I am all for capitalism, and agree that soclist ideas are taking place in the US; but how does the public protesting a company to pay taxes make them socialists?
  16. jimbobb24 macrumors 6502a

    Jun 6, 2005
    I love others peoples money. I want as much as I can. Seems the only path forward is to enter politics. Now I just need to pick a team and go out there and promise free stuff, and get that money flowing to me.

    There is no such thing as “tax evasion” like these people think. We all evade every tax we can. If Apple is breaking the law they should be punished. Law is law (except in US for me as a future politician I can do whatever I want). If not breaking the law the are simply trying to avoid paying what they can.
  17. KazKam macrumors 6502


    Oct 25, 2011
    Um, the fact that they're socialists makes them socialists. Apple does pay their taxes, as little as legally possible, as is their right and obligation to shareholders... just not as much in taxes as this group thinks they should. They see deep pockets and a successful company, so they stick their hand out, then cry like babies when their hand gets slapped away. Apple isn't in business for charity, they're in business to make money. As much money as LEGALLY possible. And I believe they should be allowed to do so.
  18. Gutwrench Contributor


    Jan 2, 2011
    Are they going to court WITH or AGAINST???????

  19. Zimmy68 macrumors 68000


    Jul 23, 2008
    I'm not sure what the case in France is, but as a big Apple critic, I laugh at these Euro protesters.

    A country makes a tax friendly deal with Apple.
    All parties agree to contract.
    Apple sets up the business.

    People are now outraged that Apple is avoiding taxes and they conveniently forget the government that made the deal.
  20. jarman92 macrumors 6502

    Nov 13, 2014
    First of all, those posters are hysterical.

    Second, its rich to see the French try to lecture any American entity on "freedom of expression." You can be jailed for something as innocuous as controversial speech in France (and most of Europe).
  21. alex2792 macrumors 6502a

    Jun 13, 2009
    Do they have potty mouths? Do they attract a lot of violent urban youth? Do they block traffic? If the answer is no then I’m onboard with that trade!
  22. justperry macrumors G3


    Aug 10, 2007
    In the core of a black hole.
    You forgot one thing, Ireland is part of Europe.

  23. Glideslope macrumors 603


    Dec 7, 2007
    A quiet place in NY.
    Forget about the EU. 15-20 years left if that. ;)
  24. justperry macrumors G3


    Aug 10, 2007
    In the core of a black hole.
    As of some posters comments, so typical as expected.

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