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Now that is the dirtiest marketing trick in computer industry since Netscape vs Microsoft.
 
UK is not part of EU.

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And so it starts. Time for these Asian companies to come up with their own designs.

Question is, what other design IS there for a tablet? Do they make it oval? Add spoilers and ground effects to the back of it? I guess they could add a physical keyboard to it, and have the screen fold over it.

No, wait. That's a laptop.

I mean comeon, all tablets, up to and including the iPad, are basically one big square with a screen on it. There's nothing particularly fancy about them. Apples genius wasn't in inventing the form factor, it was from making said form factor sleek and ergonomic enough that people would want to use it.

It's a good thing there are knock offs and other brands that copy the initial design then run with it. It's how you see improvements made. Otherwise, it'd be like if Ford had an exclusive to the assembly line and the concept of a self propelled vehicle with four wheels and a steering column. We'd only be driving slightly updated versions of the same Model T 103 years later.
 
To be completely accurate, the worst offenders of patent, trademark, and copyrights are Greater China and South Korea, with various other Asian countries trying to catch up. These, primarily Asian countries, have laws in place to prohibit these kinds of crimes but rarely prosecute, or have fines so small that it's more like paying a "tax" to continue to do illegal business as usual.
The "anything goes" attitude of Asian manufacturers is echoed in Asian farmers feeding their pigs toxic chemicals to get to market with pinker flesh, and Asian dairies adding toxic chemicals to milk to raise the grade. There is a complete lack of business ethics throughout the entire management and governmental bodies. It's so rife that painting with a broad brush is not inappropriate.

WHO hired/financed/paid-for/outsourced the manufacturing to the 'Asian' nations? That's right, the people occupying the corner offices IN USA. No one forced them to do it.

Before talking about lack of ethcs/blah in Asia, turn around and look at Wall Street, banks, mortgage brokers.

I'd be careful with such sweeping generalizations as lumping Asians as 'Asians'.



Not at all. The Chinese education system is currently trying to grapple with having a curriculum that does a better job of fostering creative thinking as they HAVE been heavy on the math/science/rigid memorization. (I'll leave the instrument playing out.)

There's a reason why the best and brightest in Shanghai come to the US to complete their college education in increasing numbers. They know it gives them a competitive edge.

Not to say this isn't changing as we speak, but to say it isn't true and is ignorant is... well... ignorant.

China is NOT all of Asia or representative of Asia. And we are talking about Samsung here, which is not a Chinese company.
 
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To be completely accurate, the worst offenders of patent, trademark, and copyrights are Greater China and South Korea, with various other Asian countries trying to catch up. These, primarily Asian countries, have laws in place to prohibit these kinds of crimes but rarely prosecute, or have fines so small that it's more like paying a "tax" to continue to do illegal business as usual.
The "anything goes" attitude of Asian manufacturers is echoed in Asian farmers feeding their pigs toxic chemicals to get to market with pinker flesh, and Asian dairies adding toxic chemicals to milk to raise the grade. There is a complete lack of business ethics throughout the entire management and governmental bodies. It's so rife that painting with a broad brush is not inappropriate.

I politely but firmly have to object to this statement. I am an Asian, and I believe that us majority, just like you, are a decent, hardworking and honest bunch in general. However, there will always be a small percentage who spoils the market by doing all these funny things, and they get all the attention (just like lawyers). :)
 
I don't think any company should be allowed to sell any electronic product except Apple. Steve invented electricity, silicone, the transistor, diode, etc.
 
I already expected this conclusion when Samsung made the following cover. I was told it was made by both Samsung's family(blood) company and Samsung Electronics.

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WOW! Say what you will about Android forums, but I have never, and I mean NEVER seen disgusting racist comments like the ones on this forum. Absolutely sickening.
 
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The Asian education values on memorization and reproduction more than creativity though.

That's why Asians are so good at playing instruments (aka repeating the ideal).

What a racist comment and it appears you haven't actually spent considerable time in Asia. Most all of Asia is still playing technological catch up as its been less than 70 years since the end of WWII and European colonization. The US & Europeans are going to have a rude shock on their hands by the end of this decade, and most certainly in 20 years, if they continue to think in this racist manner.

Oh, and don't forget who invented the concept of zero and the numbering system we use today.
 
5 years before the original Bondi blue Imac:


Rowenta stole it from my high school Plastics Class or my Material Science Engineering Class when we were working with semi-translucent plastics encasing projects back in 1991.

I don't think any company should be allowed to sell any electronic product except Apple. Steve invented electricity, silicone, the transistor, diode, etc.

Thanks for citing not a single product Apple competes against in your statement. You cite the laws of physics, to raw materials and design parts that go into products, but not an actual single product that Apple would sell.

Wait, you're telling us you can't tell which of these is the iPad ?

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Seriously ? :confused:

If you think the injunction is solely based upon the Case shape you insult the German Court.
 
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Thanks for citing not a single product Apple competes against in your statement. You cite the laws of physics, to raw materials and design parts that go into products, but not an actual single product that Apple would sell.

I think Apple should be the only company on earth and sell all goods and services. We only need Apple, nothing else.
 
WHO hired/financed/paid-for/outsourced the manufacturing to the 'Asian' nations? That's right, the people occupying the corner offices IN USA. No one forced them to do it.

And what does the above statement have to do with the discussion at hand??

Before talking about lack of ethcs/blah in Asia, turn around and look at Wall Street, banks, mortgage brokers.

You know, a culture, or a government, or an industry has to work long and hard to earn a stereotypical image. Just like your example of Wall Street, banks, and mortgage brokers who sold their solid reputation down the river for a quick gain in the short term, the Asian manufactures who churn out counterfeit goods, pirated movies, and lead-painted toys have traded off their own ethics and earned their poor image in consumer's minds. Both the American finance industry and the Asian manufacturers have to live with the poor image and lack of trust they self-created.

It took Japan 30+ years to overcome their pre-war image of a country that made cheap tin crap and become recognized as a superior source of products. It may take greater China and South Korea as long to earn an untarnished reputation as an ethical and trusted trade partner. There have been too many major incidents over the last 20 years to grant them an ounce of credibility today.

I do know that there are some Asian countries that one can do business with that, in general, are ethical and fair, such as Japan, Tiawan/Formosa, parts of Indonesia, and even Vietnam. And it's unfair that they get lumped together with the bad guys in the public's image. But I don't make the rules regarding public sentiment.
 
This is my first time posting here. I am just going to give my opinions.

I agree with the first part of your statement about the needs to challenge inventions with better inventions. But... "a blatant copy"? Really? :rolleyes:

When was the last time somebody bought a Dell laptop thinking they were buying a black Macbook? ;)

I agree, I would not call the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 a blatant copy. Let's leave out the details of each design for a second: a tablet that a black frame, a flat back, and rounded corners. That is a common sense base line. Being a base line, I would not consider it original enough to qualify as a separate brand/device/line of devices. It is very broad, and by being broad you can make your own changes to it, which can possibly include making no changes at all.

The "Community Design" awarded to Apple, is in my opinion obvious/common sense/whatever—a lot of people could come up with it (not the entire design of the iPad, just the subject matter in the document).

I don't think anyone complains when a company takes a similar idea from another company and makes it their own. Especially when that idea isn't patented (such as the notification screen in Android, which probably didn't originate with them anyway). Where people complain is when it's copied without any effort to make it their own.

But you're not winning any points yourself. You've basically set up the argument, as so many do, that if anyone disagrees with you then they are automatically wrong. Not a good way to get anyone to consider your points.

I hope I am winning points, because I try to be reasonable. I believe that Samsung copied Apple's strategy of using a minimalist approach; however, I do not think the design in question is worthy of exclusive rights.
 
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And what does the above statement have to do with the discussion at hand??



You know, a culture, or a government, or an industry has to work long and hard to earn a stereotypical image. Just like your example of Wall Street, banks, and mortgage brokers who sold their solid reputation down the river for a quick gain in the short term, the Asian manufactures who churn out counterfeit goods, pirated movies, and lead-painted toys have traded off their own ethics and earned their poor image in consumer's minds. Both the American finance industry and the Asian manufacturers have to live with the poor image and lack of trust they self-created.

It took Japan 30+ years to overcome their pre-war image of a country that made cheap tin crap and become recognized as a superior source of products. It may take greater China and South Korea as long to earn an untarnished reputation as an ethical and trusted trade partner. There have been too many major incidents over the last 20 years to grant them an ounce of credibility today.

I do know that there are some Asian countries that one can do business with that, in general, are ethical and fair, such as Japan, Tiawan/Formosa, parts of Indonesia, and even Vietnam. And it's unfair that they get lumped together with the bad guys in the public's image. But I don't make the rules regarding public sentiment.

I guess it's hard to measure ethics/corruption but I found something that refutes your claim that S Korea's is in the same league as China.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index

USA= ranked 22 Score: 7.1
Taiwan = ranked 33 Score: 5.8
S Korea = ranked 39 Score: 5.4
China = ranked 78 3.5

And only one of these entered into FTA agreement with EU.
 
Wait, you're telling us you can't tell which of these is the iPad ?

Seriously ? :confused:
No, not seriously. (And I am serious about that.)

I can't tell the difference, I guess I am not a "complete idiot". :)

So the HUGE SAMSUNG blazed across it sufficient enough for you?
Or the fact that one is larger than the other and has no buttons on the front at all, o that the camera is dead center on the long edge and not the top corner.

Your idiocy is complete.
I might suggest a visit to the optometrist in the very near future. ;)

Feeling better about yourself ?
 
I guess it's hard to measure ethics/corruption but I found something that refutes your claim that S Korea's is in the same league as China.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index

USA= ranked 22 Score: 7.1
Taiwan = ranked 33 Score: 5.8
S Korea = ranked 39 Score: 5.4
China = ranked 78 3.5

And only one of these entered into FTA agreement with EU.
Keep digging... that same survey ranked Sudan, Iraq, Afghanistan and Somolia as the least corrupt. I mean Somalia least corrupt... really?!?!
That alone discredits its validity.

Feeling better about yourself ?
Yes... and you?
 
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dexthageek said:
OK this is now getting ridiculous. These Patent Wars are out of control and Apple is just as much to blame as others. These lawsuits are only going to stifle competition and innovation because anyone who does not have billions of dollars in the bank to pay for these lawsuits will be to afraid to release what could be the next great application or device.

You are wrong. The laws protect innovators. They punish thieves.

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This injunction is very pro-competitive, because it forces Samsung to compete instead of copying.

This has nothing to do with Samsung, Apple is systematically suing all OEM manufacturers of Android handsets/tablets, and Samsung is largest of them all.

They're too ***** to sue Google, because Google has the power to kick their ass in the courtroom.

Apple are scared s***less of Android, because they can't move fast enough to stay ahead of it, so they're choosing to "win" by pulling up the goal posts and declaring victory.

Samsung is bigger than Google. That makes no sense.
 
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This has nothing to do with Samsung, Apple is systematically suing all OEM manufacturers of Android handsets/tablets, and Samsung is largest of them all.

Did you ever stop to think that the reason for this is that all OEM manufacturers of Android handsets/tablets are overtly copying Apple designs?
 
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I give apple credit with some very innovative ideas, but what kind of patent did samsung infringe upon? The iPad is a tablet, the galaxy is a tablet.... Omg wait... maybe they both look alike because there tablets! I would like to see apple sue IBM or Dell because hey, their laptops have keyboards.... iBook haters
 
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What Apple really won is the fact that they will not have to push their development to the limit in response to other companies offerings, not good news for any consumer.

A fly on the wall in Apple R&D hears; "Stand down fellas we don't need to make iPad 3 any better than iPad 2 because no one else can"

I am a real Apple fan, have a MBP, iPad1, iPhone4, iPod classic, iPod Touch, magic trackpad etc, but am not blinded by this announcement.

By that logic the iPad, iPad 2, iPhone, iPhone 3G, iPhone 3GS and iPhone 4 would never exist.

Sure most companies need competitive pressure to innovate. Apple has clearly shown they will innovate regardless of what the competition is doing.
 
Wow !

I thought I was making a good point. I wasn't calling anyone on this forum out on anything. I just have a sneaking suspicion that Judges are easily bought in theses kind of cases.

This really floors me though. -43 !

Anyone care to elaborate ?

I'm not saying anything too far fetched here. Has anyone ever gotten so many negatives for a comment? Anyway, it's actually kind of funny, I just didn't expect it when I was making perfect sense. Don't get me wrong, I like a lot of Apple products but I dislike their policy and all of this patent BS. Wasn't trolling guys. And you can't prove that I'm wrong because as I said. It's just a theory.
 

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