Why do you assume Apple's suppliers were developing this? Apple's suppliers are manufacturers, first and foremost.
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Apple Granted Patent for 'In-Cell' Touchscreen Display Concepts
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Why do you assume Apple's suppliers were developing this? Apple's suppliers are manufacturers, first and foremost.
Two hands!? FAIL! Sorry, that was a reflex androidian outburst.
On another note, Carrie Ann Moss is oddly attractive.
Ok this is a conversation so don't get me wrong,but is what you are saying that apple got the idea but they got the way how to make it?
Like for example apple has an idea to fly to the moon and a company not apple finds the way to make it happen(develop) but apple has the patent because it was their idea?
Qualcomm is releasing a new LTE radio this quarter, you think there's no chance Apple waited for this?
You kinda contradicted yourself, and proved my point at the same time. Technology does get smaller, which means you can fit more into a device of the same size, meaning you don't have to increase the size of the device. If you make the device smaller however, then the advantage of the components shrinking diminishes. The new iPhone will partially make up for this by being taller though, so we'll see how it goes, but they could have kept it the same thickness and included a larger batter, more RAM, a faster CPU or possibly a faster GPU, like I stated earlier.
I know about this tech my friend its just well i dunno,Sharp was working on it with Toshiba and finally at some point they made it with IGZO and out of the blue apples patent for an idea of the touch sensors be on the screen itself gets the ok and Boom apple has the patent of something others were working for years,can you imagine Sharp and Toshiba paying apple lets say 20$ per screen if they want to use it?when they developed it?,maybe i am wrong i know this is how the patent system works atm but it feels a bit lame and NO i am not a samsung fan or anything , i buy apple products for a decade now thank you
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No, similar to how DuPont helped to invent the OLED but companies like Samsung develop ways to manufacture them. It would be like Apple having an idea to fly to the moon, building the plans to a spaceship that cost twenty billion dollars (and multiple prototypes), then having Sharp figure out a way to build that spaceship more efficiently at a cost people might be able to afford.
Like jkichline said, because they thought of it?
I wouldn't be surprised that engineers at Apple thought of this idea in 2006, but it's taken until 2012 for an LCD manufacturer to actually be able to gain the knowledge about touchscreens and implement it. Apple's engineers cross multiple disciplines, many more than say the engineers at LG Philips' LCD division.
The click wheel on the old ipods was developed by Apple themselves. It used a generic microcontroller part from Cypress to drive it. So it's obvious to me that Apple's been into touchscreen research years before that patent was filed.
You know how Gorilla Glass ended up as a product, right? Corning developed the glass decades ago, and shelved it. Apple got them to build manufacturing facilities and developed the techniques to cut it for mass production. It's not like Apple just sat there and Corning did all the work.
Apple used to have this sort of research in a group called ATG. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Technology_Group) The Data Detectors patent used against HTC came from ATG's prototypes.
HP used to be known for a ton of research too before they split. Had it not been for shortsighted management, it had the chance to establish itself as a prime competitor in consumer digital cameras in the mid-90s.
Microsoft has their own research wing too. I know multiple people who've worked there in grad school and the stuff they do is what gets the groundwork laid out for things like Kinect to even be considered possible.
At any rate, I find it sad that so many people jump onto the forums and think that Apple stole all their tech or repackaged everybody else's work to get to where they are now without realizing how much research they put in. I guess it's a flipside of their secrecy. If you do the work and don't broadcast it to the world, nobody gives credit.
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So you're saying use a larger battery then drain it at the same speed with more RAM and a faster SOC? All of which cost more money. Why not have a larger battery for longer battery life with the current configuration? Weight comes into play at some point too. It's a balancing act.
I don't think it's thin enough personally. Half the thickness it is now (4s) would be very nice in my view. HOWEVER, this could also be used for the "new" NEW iPad. Which could use a weight drop (a bit too heavy for me currently).
Hopefully, many people read this post and glean something from it - many are under the impression that Apple's suppliers invent everything and Apple just grabs it then uses it.
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I know about this tech my friend its just well i dunno,Sharp was working on it with Toshiba and finally at some point they made it with IGZO and out of the blue apples patent for an idea of the touch sensors be on the screen itself gets the ok and Boom apple has the patent of something others were working for years,can you imagine Sharp and Toshiba paying apple lets say 20$ per screen if they want to use it?when they developed it?,maybe i am wrong i know this is how the patent system works atm but it feels a bit lame and NO i am not a samsung fan or anything , i buy apple products for a decade now thank you
That's not how the patent system works, though.
Let me point out for the first time that all my posts have contained the word "or".
Ok - point was just that adding more expensive and power hungry parts because you made a thinner screen isn't necessary.
I know about this tech my friend its just well i dunno,Sharp was working on it with Toshiba and finally at some point they made it with IGZO and out of the blue apples patent for an idea of the touch sensors be on the screen itself gets the ok and Boom apple has the patent of something others were working for years,can you imagine Sharp and Toshiba paying apple lets say 20$ per screen if they want to use it?when they developed it?,maybe i am wrong i know this is how the patent system works atm but it feels a bit lame and NO i am not a samsung fan or anything , i buy apple products for a decade now thank you
You do know that Sharp and Apple have cooperated behind the scenes for decades now, right? It's not like Apple sprung this patent out of the blue, it's probably because they worked with Sharp to bring it to market.
First of all thanks for the crarification before.
Now (i know it sounds somewhat odd) but lets take for example the latest samsung GS3,it has a 4.8" hd amoled also a quad core at 1.4ghz(in my country)with a 1gb ram and a 2100mah battery at 133grams it lasts with heavy use around 24-26 hours,thats allot i think so i wonder how come apple can't pull this numbers?not to mention its thinner than the current iphone.
PS.Thanks to Iconoclysm and hchung,because you make dialogue instead of throwing some smart as.s answer and then took off.
Btw hchung i didn't know that apple was working with sharp for this for so long.
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PS.Thanks to Iconoclysm and hchung,because you make dialogue instead of throwing some smart as.s answer and then took off.
It goes at least as far back as 1992. The Apple Newton Messagepad manufacturing was done by Sharp. Supposedly a contributing factor to this was Sharp's LCD manufacturing capabilities. Sharp also had license to make their own Newton compatible devices. The early releases of the Newton OS had the ability to communicate with Sharp's organizers out of the box via IR, another market Sharp used to contribute a lot to.
(I had a MessagePad 100 and still have a pile of old Sharp IR demodulators in my garage.)
Woah woah woah... how the hell can this be patented? Is it a case of "oh it's Apple, that's alright just patent it"? Because I'm pretty sure they did not invent this, or develop it, and it is not exclusive to them.
But as others have said, just release the damn thing already!!
But as others have said, just release the damn thing already!!
Erm? Being realistic seeing Apple getting patents they should not have and then using them to remove the competition from sale to gain market share.
And the fact that MS announced this tech and I'm sure I've seen it elsewhere too. The idea of fusing components etc. Also I cannot see Apple develop this but LG or Sharp etc.
I don't trust Apple's patents any more, sorry.
It's shocking really. I mean, everyone here understands everything about the patent system. They can even discern, without reading the detail of the patent filing, with absolute certainty whether a given patent should have been granted.
Why doesn't the patent office just ask keyboard captains on tech blogs before granting a patent? Surely they would save a bundle.
Why doesn't the patent office just ask keyboard captains on tech blogs before granting a patent? Surely they would save a bundle.