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For those who need full Windows, the next computer purchase may be “must” (Windows PC) vs. “want” (Mac).

I happen to be in the good position to choose “both” but not everyone can. The end of bootcamp may force the move back to PC for some. Windows ARM is OK but some need full Windows compatibility. Their next purchase may already be decided for them.

Maybe. As someone who does mostly .NET-based software development, 1) a lot more can be done in macOS itself now that .NET Core/5/6/7 and tooling such as VS Code are a thing, and 2) most workflows in Visual Studio for Windows now work fairly well on ARM64. Plus, you can always buy a NUC, put Remote Desktop Services on it, and have several people share that as an environment for the few remaining things that work better in x64.

But yes, Intel-specific use cases do exist. I just don't think that's a very big slice of people.
 
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It's not realistic to expect that, but the irrealistic expectation was from Apple first, not the user. Apple expected better sales but didn't deliver upgrades compelling enough to drive them.
The upgrade from M1 Pro / Max to M2 Pro / Max probably delivered more performance / feature gains than we got from the last few generations of Intel CPUs in Macs before.

I'd be more inclined to blame the numerous global issues affecting the world's economies more over people worrying about the difference between an M1 Pro and an M2 Pro.
 
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I'm one of those holdouts still using an Intel iMac due to my needs of Intel-based OS virtualization. I'm going out on a limb here, but I really think switching to Apple Silicon was a mistake.
Being still primarily on Intel Macs has been convenient for that recently. Seems like virtualization options and emulation for Apple Silicon is getting better, slowly.
 
Maybe. As someone who does mostly .NET-based software development, 1) a lot more can be done in macOS itself now that .NET Core/5/6/7 and tooling such as VS Code are a thing, and 2) most workflows in Visual Studio for Windows now work fairly well on ARM64. Plus, you can always buy a NUC, put Remote Desktop Services on it, and have several people share that as an environment for the few remaining things that work better in x64.

But yes, Intel-specific use cases do exist. I just don't think that's a very big slice of people.
I have a 5 year old NUC for my security cameras, scanning (ABBYY Finereader), and whatever else I need in a pinch. It hangs on the wall and does its thing until the fan dies and I replace it. But my main computer is definitely my Mac Mini. Love the thing. So having the NUC is definitely a decent option for not a ton of money (mine was about $900 but that is because I got a 500gb fast SSD and 32gb memory years ago).
 
I am personaly waiting for updated 27" iMac with m2 or m3. This and maybe new ipad mini and I'm good.
I would upgrade, because I need a hub at home, but otherwise, even the new procesors are crazy fast, and great for my needs, the BIG issues is that there is no x86 windows support, no linux. Big shame. I can't even run intel mac apps. This is one big show stopper, as I can't run some of the c'ed apps I used to use occasionally.

So for now, MBA with m1 stays as my daily driver, but I am concidering geting 27 Intel iMac to have support for legacy software and some scene tweaked apps.
 
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I noticed it in the MacBook Pro forums here on Macrumors.

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The Mac sales faltered because Apple is greedy with their trade-in values. I'm sorry, but a laptop that is $4000 brand new (or now $3500), has a little more trade-in room than $1300.

$60,000 Mac Pro desktops might have a bit more value than $975 and even the tablet and phone values are way off.
 
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because the new MacBook Pro was a terrible update and not worth it; apple stop with the minor updates year after year

apple trying to herd mac users into the same ridiculous yearly upgrade cycle as those phone people...
 
I find this a bit difficult to believe. If they had extra capacity why not move the iMac over to M2? You could argue that the M1 is cheaper to make now. But if they have the capacity they could have definitely released an M2 iMac and dropped the price of the older model to bring down the cost of entry.

I think this is just the normal post Christmas slump.
 
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Bought a MacBook Air M2 for wife and Mac Mini M2 for parents. Took the leap to M1 myself at launch but didn’t want any early Apple silicone adopter issues for them.
 
I use an M1 Max MBPro and it is more than enough for now for serious audio work. Never considered an M2. I guess a lot of users are in the same position.And for casual browser users M1 Air is more than enough.
There is no expectation that someone who bought an M1 Mac would automatically upgrade to an M2 Mac. Most people would keep their Mac for 3-5 years and then upgrade. The ones who would buy a new Mac now are the ones with older Intel Macs who are ready to upgrade.

the M1 generation was a big jump in performance and the interest resulted in a higher than normal upgrade cycle. Some of those people upgraded earlier than they would have and now they are not in the market for an upgrade this year. The M2 generation was always going to be a lower spike in upgrades than the M1 as a result.
 
My Macbook pro 2019 is still going. Had the screen replaced under apple care. It keeps crashing and restarting a few times a week, so I will have to take it back to apple soon. But it is likely the last Macbook I own, purely because I need windows sometimes. I don't expect Apple to allow windows to run on their tech, but it is a need I have so macbooks are no longer suitable. I know you can maybe do the virtual stuff but native is the only way to go.

Iphone still has me, until there is a product that is better, apple will rule that space.
 
Plummeting is never a good word when it comes to mac sales.
"Plummeting" was not a word used by Apple to describe the contraction of demand. It was used by a third party out of Korea.

It's a tough economy experiencing inflation. Why are so many acting surprised about the effect on tech and hardware companies? Apple is dramatically more prepared and positioned than anyone else in the business.
 
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I'm one of those holdouts still using an Intel iMac due to my needs of Intel-based OS virtualization. I'm going out on a limb here, but I really think switching to Apple Silicon was a mistake.
You seem to be in the minority on that. Only a small percentage of people run OS virtualization or bootcamp. Even among developers, that is a minority.
 
A new 13” Pro starting at $1500 with 16/512 would be an instant buy for me. 2k starting price for the 14” is more than I want to spend
 
Right. Since an M2 Pro is just 2 M2s together basically. Just like the Max is 2 M2 Pros. Can't start with the high end chip.
That’s not at all how they are put together. The M2 Pro is not 2 M2’s, nor is the M2 Max, 2 M2 Pro’s. Where did you get this ridiculous idea? The only M series chip that has done that to date is the M1 Ultra, which is essentially 2 M1 Max chips. The others do not follow that same cadence at all.
 
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Is this not merely a case of exceptional sales of the M1, following the debacle that was the touchbar Intel laptops — coupled with the M1 iteration being so good, that fewer see the need to upgrade to the M2 versions?

Personally, it will be a long time before I find a need to upgrade my 14” M1 MBP. Surely my situation is not unique?
There is no concrete technical reason for anyone to upgrade from the M1P/M to the M2P/M, those 20% increase are unrealistic.
 
Some of it inevitably has to do with all the people like me who upgraded to an M1 Mac the previous year and won't be looking for a new machine for another few years. These chips are so good now, I can probably hold on to my iMac for another 3 years minimum.
 
I bought an M2 Air simply b/c it had Magsafe, which to me is a must-have feature they never should've discontinued on laptops. Otherwise I'd have kept my loaded M1 Air.

But then again, if they cut M2 production, they have more $$ to spend creating new emojis! /sarc
 
M1 was extremely successful. Anyone who wanted Apple Silicon pretty much bought it already. That means most people won’t upgrade until M3 or M4. IMO, Apple went to M2 too quickly. They should be on an almost 4 year cycle of releasing new processors rather than releasing every 2 years. People don’t upgrade computers like they do phones.
You don’t have to buy every new generation that they release… I bought an M2 Max MacBook Pro to upgrade from my mid 2012 MacBook Pro. I won’t be buying an M3 or M4 either when they launch, but others who are due for an upgrade may still want that bump.
 
You seem to be in the minority on that. Only a small percentage of people run OS virtualization or bootcamp. Even among developers, that is a minority.
Likely true, now people with AS Macs can make use of VMware to install Windows 11 on Arm Insider Preview (64 bit) or make use if some Wine adaption as a couple of example. Then someone could probably use crosstalk that is setup as a compatibility layer also even if it is game centric.
 
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