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iMessage and FaceTime are two of the most compelling reasons for me to stay with iOS. With 90+ percent of the people in my contacts using iOS devices or Macs around the world, I'm hooked.

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Apple is the only one who has done a good job with group messaging

Except for the inability to mute notifications from a group conversation. That's my biggest annoyance with group messaging with iMessage. Get three or more people conversing in a group chat with iMessage and your phone can blow up with notifications in a hurry.
 
What's missing to make it more powerful?? It already does all the major things everyone uses a messaging app for and it seems to have improved from the times where it would go down.

A lot actually...I wish we could natively send contacts and that there were options to share locations, push to talk, mute individual groups, etc...

Something out of the box which would change the messaging paradigms would be great too... Now, don't ask me what.. If I knew what I wanted I'd be working at Apple... :p
 
A lot actually...I wish we could natively send contacts and that there were options to share locations, push to talk, mute individual groups, etc...

Something out of the box which would change the messaging paradigms would be great too... Now, don't ask me what.. If I knew what I wanted I'd be working at Apple... :p

We can share contacts via iMessage. Push to talk was fairly lame back when Kyrocera and other phones did it. I doubt having any of the new batches of smart phones do it would make it any better. You can share your location now as well. The only thing I would say is to add a way to leave or mute group messaging.
 
When I send a group text to my wife and kids does that count as one "handled" message or 4 (my send, wife and 2 kids reception)?

Not that it still isn't a lot of messages.

In light of some info that came out recently I believe it's 4. Once for each device because of the encryption keys that go to each. This is what makes me think that.

http://daringfireball.net/linked/2014/02/28/imessage-security
 
We can share contacts via iMessage. Push to talk was fairly lame back when Kyrocera and other phones did it. I doubt having any of the new batches of smart phones do it would make it any better. You can share your location now as well. The only thing I would say is to add a way to leave or mute group messaging.

By push to talk I meant as it has been implemented in whatsapp... But, that's not really a vital feature I agree... Also, how do you share your location via imessage...? And you cant share contacts locally through iMessage... If I am chatting with someone and he/she needs a contact I can't just hit attach... I have to get into the phone/contacts app and then hit share from there... Not too difficult... Just kinda annoying...
 
Seriously? Why that attitude towards WhatsApp. Did one of the founders there hurt a family member?

i paid for whatsapp when it was not free. they are now selling my info to Facebook for about 30-40 dollars.
oh i am so happy and i feel so important :mad::mad::mad:
 
i paid for whatsapp when it was not free. they are now selling my info to Facebook for about 30-40 dollars.
oh i am so happy and i feel so important :mad::mad::mad:

You know in my first apartment my mortgage was with one bank. It was then bought by another and then the mortgage was then sold to yet another company. I got over it. And they had far more personal info than whatsapp.
 
You know in my first apartment my mortgage was with one bank. It was then bought by another and then the mortgage was then sold to yet another company. I got over it. And they had far more personal info than whatsapp.

so? thats you. you might not object but i do.
Facebook is like a plague IMO. whatsapp has my number and information and all contacts and i want to keep it that way. who gives whatsapp the right to sell my info? especially when i paid for it?
 
so? thats you. you might not object but i do.
Facebook is like a plague IMO. whatsapp has my number and information and all contacts and i want to keep it that way. who gives whatsapp the right to sell my info? especially when i paid for it?

Have you checked their eula? Perhaps you did agree to it. I don't know.
 
so? thats you. you might not object but i do.
Facebook is like a plague IMO. whatsapp has my number and information and all contacts and i want to keep it that way. who gives whatsapp the right to sell my info? especially when i paid for it?
Was your data actually sold? What data was actually sold exactly?
 
And it's such a nice garden. :)


And yet you won't see THAT garden on your Apple stuff. Why? Because despite the whole Pixar link between Disney and Apple, Hayao Miyazaki won't allow his movies and through his influence any Ghilbi movies to go digital download. He feels the tech isn't there to properly serve the movies. Or at least he didn't when it started and he doesn't seem compelled to take another look.
 
so? thats you. you might not object but i do.
Facebook is like a plague IMO. whatsapp has my number and information and all contacts and i want to keep it that way. who gives whatsapp the right to sell my info? especially when i paid for it?

In fact you did as per their EULA as I suspected (bold/itals are mine):

In the Event of Merger, Sale, or Bankruptcy
In the event that WhatsApp is acquired by or merged with a third party entity, we reserve the right to transfer or assign the information we have collected from our users as part of such merger, acquisition, sale, or other change of control. In the (hopefully) unlikely event of our bankruptcy, insolvency, reorganization, receivership, or assignment for the benefit of creditors, or the application of laws or equitable principles affecting creditors' rights generally, we may not be able to control how your personal information is treated, transferred, or used.

http://www.whatsapp.com/legal/
 
in fact you did as per their eula as i suspected (bold/itals are mine):

In the event of merger, sale, or bankruptcy
in the event that whatsapp is acquired by or merged with a third party entity, we reserve the right to transfer or assign the information we have collected from our users as part of such merger, acquisition, sale, or other change of control. in the (hopefully) unlikely event of our bankruptcy, insolvency, reorganization, receivership, or assignment for the benefit of creditors, or the application of laws or equitable principles affecting creditors' rights generally, we may not be able to control how your personal information is treated, transferred, or used.

http://www.whatsapp.com/legal/

gg. Lmao
 
Nothing. Just the ordinary betrayal of offering something for free and than selling your personal data for targeted ad-bombardments. It's no different from what Google and Facebook do and I hate all of those shady businesses. They are the worst and the Internet would be better off without them. To all those who keep preaching me the benefits of cross-platform and openness, I say: „I like my doors closed.“

I couldn't care less, if iMessage or WhatsApp is the bigger service. My tolerance level for ad-based businesses is zero. I happily loose a couple of million possible contacts, if all the ads go away with them.

Me likes how FaceTime and iMessage are financed by hardware sales, the :apple: way.

Exactly, I paid for it. Not someone else who than owns access to my data.

Oh, please...get off of your high horse! Have you ever taken a close look at Apple's Software License Agreements? No? Well, here...I took the liberty to copy/paste this directly from Apple's website for you. Apple clearly uses your data to sell targeted ads and clearly shares your data with its "partners". Feel free to read it and then tell us how great Apple is (or feel free to back peddle...or twist your Apple-apologist logic in any way you wish). Apple fanatics crack me up.

Here's an excerpt from the iOS 7.0 SLA...and while it's related to Location Data, it clearly demonstrates Apple's intent on using your info with its "partners":
"Apple and its partners, licensees and third party developers may provide certain services through your iOS Device that rely upon location information...
By using any location-based services on your iOS Device, you agree and consent to Apple's and its partners', licensees' and third party developers’ transmission, collection, maintenance, processing and use of your location
data and queries to provide and improve such products and services."
 
In fact you did as per their EULA as I suspected (bold/itals are mine):

In the Event of Merger, Sale, or Bankruptcy
In the event that WhatsApp is acquired by or merged with a third party entity, we reserve the right to transfer or assign the information we have collected from our users as part of such merger, acquisition, sale, or other change of control. In the (hopefully) unlikely event of our bankruptcy, insolvency, reorganization, receivership, or assignment for the benefit of creditors, or the application of laws or equitable principles affecting creditors' rights generally, we may not be able to control how your personal information is treated, transferred, or used.

http://www.whatsapp.com/legal/


thanks :D
you are right but i am still pissed :p
 
You can hit share from a dropped pin in Maps.

Oh, I did not know that... But, still cumbersome... Not as easy as just hitting the attach button and send location... Because if I have to send a location to someone my first action is to open the message app and compose, then it strikes you "oh you cant do that" then cancel and do the jig... Or if I am already having a chat with you I got to exit and do the jig...
 
Oh, I did not know that... But, still cumbersome... Not as easy as just hitting the attach button and send location... Because if I have to send a location to someone my first action is to open the message app and compose, then it strikes you "oh you cant do that" then cancel and do the jig... Or if I am already having a chat with you I got to exit and do the jig...

Its not ideal, but does work reliably. I use it a fair bit (for indicating what pub a group is in)
 
What I love about it:

It sends uncompressed photos (awesome for y'know).
Fast.
Safe.
iPad and OS X support.
Send files (other than photos and video) from the desktop client.

What could be improved:

Send voice messages.
Show contact picture.
I wouldn't mind an Android version for my friends with those ugly phones.
Ability to send Pages, Keynote and other files from the iOS versions.
 
I was looking for FaceMail (video messages for FaceTime).

You already can — it just doesn't have a special name.

Open an iMessage thread, hit the camera icon, pick "take photo or video", shoot your video, hit send.

Actually it's not the same. (And I could have done this way before iMessage, I could have just sent a video as an e-mail attachment.)

If they took away your automatic voicemail and told you to mail it as an attachment, it wouldn't be the same (and you know it).

Calling with FaceTime and having the option to just leave a video message would be much easier (and more spontaneous) than having to switch programs and send the video.

By using iMessage you're also forcing them to get the video message over the cellular network, with FaceMail they could choose to not get the video until they had WiFi.

Gary
 
I was looking for FaceMail (video messages for FaceTime).

Calling with FaceTime and having the option to just leave a video message would be much easier (and more spontaneous) than having to switch programs and send the video.

Aha, I see. I didn't catch what you meant at first. Yes, that would be pretty cool. I myself don't really use video Facetime as a routine "let me reach someone really quick" thing, but I suppose if you were really using it the way you use phone calls, that would be cool.

Worth noting, there's also zero provision for leaving a message on a missed FaceTime Audio call. That seems like a weird omission as well.
 
Aha, I see. I didn't catch what you meant at first. Yes, that would be pretty cool. I myself don't really use video Facetime as a routine "let me reach someone really quick" thing, but I suppose if you were really using it the way you use phone calls, that would be cool.

Worth noting, there's also zero provision for leaving a message on a missed FaceTime Audio call. That seems like a weird omission as well.

My thought is, if I could leave FaceTime messages (video and or audio) I'd probably use it more to call my iOS friends! :)

Gary
 
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