Yeah. I've used this analogy too. I don't see how there can be any discussion/legal lawsuit after this analogy. Every retailer decides what goes in their store and how much they make. You can go sell your stuff at other retailers if you want, but you can't decide what goes in a store. It's called the App Store. It's a retail store. End of discussion. If Epic were to win, I'd go start selling stuff inside Costco and use the case as precedence.
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Yeah. I've used this analogy too. I don't see how there can be any discussion/legal lawsuit after this analogy. Every retailer decides what goes in their store and how much they make. You can go sell your stuff at other retailers if you want, but you can't decide what goes in a store. It's called the App Store. It's a retail store. End of discussion. If Epic were to win, I'd go start selling stuff inside Costco and use the case as precedence.
Can someone with Twitter absolutely destroy Tim Sweeney.
Trying to claim he’s a hero whilst his company financially rapes young children for extortionate amounts of money on a regular basis.
Trying to claim he’s a hero whilst his company financially rapes young children for extortionate amounts of money on a regular basis.
I'm here for this fight. Regardless of who wins or loses, it's time that the courts scrutinize the business model of app stores and the gatekeeping that goes on and make a determination as to whether this is just fine or not. It's been a question long discussed but never really resolved.
This argument makes no sense. Dances/emotes are not required and are purely cosmetic. People can choose not to buy them. The central argument here is that consumers have absolutely zero choice with how to pay for things on iOS. Apples and oranges.
This argument makes no sense. Dances/emotes are not required and are purely cosmetic. People can choose not to buy them. The central argument here is that consumers have absolutely zero choice with how to pay for things on iOS. Apples and oranges.
Don't ask a barber if you need a haircut.
In all seriousness though, if this drama results in more legislators looking at regulating the GAMING industry, then I'd say it is a success. In my research I've only touched the surface of some of the tactics and techniques used by the gaming industry to exploit the addictive mechanism to bound people to its games, but its enough to make your hair stand on end.
Kids getting bullied for having default skins because they can't afford the ridiculous V-Bucks trash, kids stealing their parents CC so buy in-game lootboxes, kids spending all their waking hours hooked to a game that was intentionally designed to press every addition-forming button they can find, etc. Totally predatory and exploitative.
Instagram and social media gets a lot of crap for failing to address the spiraling addiction caused by its apps, but the gaming industry has been able to hide from scrutiny for way too long.
In all seriousness though, if this drama results in more legislators looking at regulating the GAMING industry, then I'd say it is a success. In my research I've only touched the surface of some of the tactics and techniques used by the gaming industry to exploit the addictive mechanism to bound people to its games, but its enough to make your hair stand on end.
Kids getting bullied for having default skins because they can't afford the ridiculous V-Bucks trash, kids stealing their parents CC so buy in-game lootboxes, kids spending all their waking hours hooked to a game that was intentionally designed to press every addition-forming button they can find, etc. Totally predatory and exploitative.
Instagram and social media gets a lot of crap for failing to address the spiraling addiction caused by its apps, but the gaming industry has been able to hide from scrutiny for way too long.
Juan, you are quite the comedian. "ALWAYS stand up for the customer" Best joke I have heard this month. Many thanks
Epic might have some valid points, but they went about it all wrong. They really lost all credibility with me when they pulled updates from MacOS users too. Epic had the freedom they sought on MacOS, unless I’m missing something.
Not taking sides but this is exhausting. Users will lose while attorney's will line their coffers.
My kids play this game on Xbox.
Let's be clear. The game entices people to buy V-Bucks which can also be earned but if you want Skins and Battle Passes to be 'competitive' you need to buy those V-Bucks. And V-Bucks is essentially Coins.
ANY GAME that has you buy COINS (V-Bucks) is just asking you to light $$ on fire. It just goes up in smoke for "enhanced gameplay". I for one will celebrate when the Fortnite fad is passed for good.
Let's be clear. The game entices people to buy V-Bucks which can also be earned but if you want Skins and Battle Passes to be 'competitive' you need to buy those V-Bucks. And V-Bucks is essentially Coins.
ANY GAME that has you buy COINS (V-Bucks) is just asking you to light $$ on fire. It just goes up in smoke for "enhanced gameplay". I for one will celebrate when the Fortnite fad is passed for good.
How can someone go out into the world and so blatantly lie to people faces? Is he planning to run for office?
Of course it is about the money!
Of course it is about the money!
This is likely the most reasonable scenario. Allow Epic to have their own "App Store", and have iOS allow people to use it or not use it. Changing Apple's rules for their App Store is stupid, IMO.
I read Apple's reply and counter-claim. It was well drafted and persuasive. I didn't realize how many services you get by being on the App Store. Apple's brief actually changed my mind about a few things. Epic may have bitten off more than it can chew.
Apple IS big and powerful like IBM was back in its heyday. And then everything Tim Sweeney has to say falls apart after that because breaking the terms of their contract with the App Store was NOT anything akin to what Apple did vs. IBM back then. It’s just lying and cheating. Now if they were to build from the ground up independent products and services to rival Apple’s...
I like the Adobe flash reference, Adobe at one time told Steve they were no longer going to make Adobe photoshop and Adobe premier for the Mac. So Steve said fine we will create Final Cut Pro and iPhoto and other photo editors.
But, they demanded to put their own App Store there "for the benefits of other developers", as they said in an email to Apple. But this benefit for other developers they were going to charge, I guess the same amount that they charge in their own Game store, 12% of proceeds. Greed is good!
Yes, I certainly think it’s time for change in the App Store.
A change that would stop these developers charging astronomical (excuse the pun) prices for in-app purchases and new content!!
A change that would stop these developers charging astronomical (excuse the pun) prices for in-app purchases and new content!!
Epic said in the email that they wanted to charge per download. Which means us developers making free apps would have to pay, or there would not be any more free apps.
This is pure rambling nonsense from Sweeny.
Says the guy whose company runs a game store that ensures game exclusivity in their own walled garden for large amounts of cash. I have no skin in this but pot kettle black much?
Nice! Hard for Apple or the armies of fanbois in these forums to argue that the dispute is over money if Epic isn't even seeking monetary damages.
The issue isn't that Apple wants to be paid - the issue is that Apple requires all their services to be utilized by all apps in the App Store.
Remember how Apple fought all the carriers to keep their crap off of the iPhone and iOS? AT&T has no business installing unnecessary crap in my phone OS.
Now Epic is in the same fight, trying to keep Apple's crap out of Fortnite.
I agree, this forum is full of them in these articles
Hey Epic, just build your own phone and create a world wide support system for it. So easy.
When Epic pulled updates for MacOS? You mean when Apple yanked their access to developer tools so they couldn't update the MacOS app either?
Oh boo hoo, developers having to pay to distribute their software instead of freeloading and passing their expenses on to others. Maybe that is part of the problem.
Anyone else bored of this saga? I just don't have any lasting interest in a pissing match between 2 multibillion (and trillion) dollar mega-corps. It was a fun story at first. Now I just wish they'd go fight in court instead of on the internet.
And the same fights occur in every comment section.
And the same fights occur in every comment section.