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Epic may not be seeking monetary damages; however, they are seeking money. While this may paint the court case a bit differently, overall, the difference in the full scheme of things is miniscule. They are, also, seeking to gain this money through free use of Apple's extensive intellectual property. Perhaps, an alternative App Store should pay Apple fees for intellectual property (patents over software algorithms, copyrights, trademarks, etc.).
 
Enough of this nonsense. Is there a way to block further updates on this story? (Perhaps by tag?). And yes, I know, I don't have to click on it, but it's on the front page every damn day.
 
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To this App Dev, who is NO fan of AAPL's App Store, I don't see Epic wining a Pricing Battle with AAPL !

"App Discovery" is the ONLY place where I can foresee AAPL losing control of the App Store !

Third-party App Devs who have OUT-Engineered, OUT-Smarted, OR have provided Insight into AAPL that they don't want the General Public to know about, will have their Apps Suppressed !

The flipside is, AAPL has dug a hole for themselves !

Once the General Public finds out what they've missed out on, Cook will be Cooked !

The AAPL Board will NOT be able to save him !

If Epic was smart, they would dig-out the 1K+ UN-Discovered Gem Apps in the App Store, & try to build a coalition with those App Devs !
 
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The more this Tim Sweeney talks the worse it all sounds. I first wanted to give the company the benefit of the doubt, but this guy needs to get over himself. All the billions seems to have gotten to his head.
He needs to shut up.
 
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Sweeney says that Apple... has "lost sight of the tech industry's founding principles," although he does not explicitly state what these founding principles are.

I almost spit out my orange juice reading this statement 😂 He’s just grasping at straws now, trying to virtue signal himself into victory. What exactly are these “founding principles”, Sweeney?
 
Dear MacRumors, I see that you accidentally posted a stub of an article that started to list a number of tweets by Epic CEO Sweeney. But you failed to post the actual article that summaries how utterly stupid and disconnected every one of his tweets are.

Surely you didn't mean to first post his tweets and then reiterate what he said again in the text as an "article" in itself?
 
says someone who wants to **** apple over on their own platform and sells kids virtual points. Just lol. A new season started so they must be pretty upset that they can't sell their crap on iOS devices.
 
Lets say you own a grocery store. It's very successful, gets lots of customers and business is good. One day a random dude walks in, looks around at all the customers in the store, then began setting up his own store inside your store! You ask him about it and he says 'he is only providing some much needed competition!'. Meanwhile, he refuses to pitch in to pay for any portion of the rent, utilities, or maintenance bills. He wants a roof over his head, access to customers that he didn't earn, light, heating, maintenance, etc. all for free. He solicits your customers, makes a boatload of money, but refuses to share any of his profits with you (claiming that you don't provide any value).

How would you feel about that?
 
To this App Dev, who is NO fan of AAPL's App Store, I don't see Epic wining a Pricing Battle with AAPL !

"App Discovery" is the ONLY place where I can foresee AAPL losing control of the App Store !

Third-party App Devs who have OUT-Engineered, OUT-Smarted, OR have provided Insight into AAPL that they don't want the General Public to know about, will have their Apps Suppressed !

The flipside is, AAPL has dug a hole for themselves !

Once the General Public finds out what they've missed out on, Cook will be Cooked !

The AAPL Board will NOT be able to save him !

If Epic was smart, they would dig-out the 1K+ UN-Discovered Gem Apps in the App Store, & try to build a coalition with those App Devs !

Yes! That seems very reasonable! Totally legit! You clearly know what you're talking about! This isn't just insane rambling about nothing! The General Public will rise up! Blood will run in the streets! Tim Cook will be burned in effigy by all the hidden geniuses creating Gem Apps! It's So Obvious!
 
Can someone with Twitter absolutely destroy Tim Sweeney.

Trying to claim he’s a hero whilst his company financially rapes young children for extortionate amounts of money on a regular basis.
That sounds like a parenting problem, not an Epic problem.

Maybe it’s because I didn’t grow up fabulously wealthy, but my parents taught me the word “no.”
 
I almost spit out my orange juice reading this statement 😂 He’s just grasping at straws now, trying to virtue signal himself into victory. What exactly are these “founding principles”, Sweeney?

Doesn't take a genius to understand what he's saying. All platforms that did well in the 80s and 90s had free and open environments for development. If you paid for the tools, you could write your software and distribute it however you chose, with no editorial or gatekeeping functions. DOS/Windows, Mac, Unix, Linux, Apple II, they all were built on these "founding principles". Outside of consoles which was a subsidized business model with a select few blessed offerings in software, "walled gardens" is a 2005+ phenomenon. Its hard not to call a product with over 1 million apps anything but a general purpose computer.
 
Nice! Hard for Apple or the armies of fanbois in these forums to argue that the dispute is over money if Epic isn't even seeking monetary damages.

The issue isn't that Apple wants to be paid - the issue is that Apple requires all their services to be utilized by all apps in the App Store.

Remember how Apple fought all the carriers to keep their crap off of the iPhone and iOS? AT&T has no business installing unnecessary crap in my phone OS.

Now Epic is in the same fight, trying to keep Apple's crap out of Fortnite.

No Epic want you to install their store and if they win this they'll be fighting tooth and nail to get carriers to instal their store as the default on iPhones which will also see the likes of a AT&T store pop up on iPhones and you wont be able to remove it.
 
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Epic might have some valid points, but they went about it all wrong. They really lost all credibility with me when they pulled updates from MacOS users too. Epic had the freedom they sought on MacOS, unless I’m missing something.
Apple killed Epic's dev account, which means no access to the tools the Unreal Engine requires if they want to develop for OS X. So even if this is about disputes over the iOS App Store, Epic can't update the OS X version if they don't have functional tools

Important to note that the only dev account affected is Epic's account; Unreal itself doesn't necessarily stop working, and other devs who make games with Unreal aren't affected by whatever Epic did to themselves
 
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Anyone else bored of this saga? I just don't have any lasting interest in a pissing match between 2 multibillion (and trillion) dollar mega-corps. It was a fun story at first. Now I just wish they'd go fight in court instead of on the internet.

And the same fights occur in every comment section.
The lawsuit looks like it will drag out for quite some time. So expect piecemeal updates like this every now then for the next couple of years?
 
Doesn't take a genius to understand what he's saying. All platforms that did well in the 80s and 90s had free and open environments for development. If you paid for the tools, you could write your software and distribute it however you chose, with no editorial or gatekeeping functions. DOS/Windows, Mac, Unix, Linux, Apple II, they all were built on these "founding principles". Outside of consoles which was a subsidized business model with a select few blessed offerings in software, "walled gardens" is a 2005+ phenomenon. Its hard not to call a product with over 1 million apps anything but a general purpose computer.

You had physical stores and to a lesser extent magazines as gatekeepers in the 80s. 90s, 00's until Steam came along, and developers where lucky if they saw 30% never mind 70%.
 
Epic said in the email that they wanted to charge per download. Which means us developers making free apps would have to pay, or there would not be any more free apps.

No-one's suggesting Apple can't still run their App Store as well with free apps?

That's how the competition can differentiate themselves with multiple stores. If you prefer Epic's terms, go with them; if you prefer Apple's terms, use Apple's. If you don't mind, then use both.

This is exactly how it's worked on PC/Mac, where you have a bunch of stores offering different products & terms to developers

* Mac App Store
* MS Store/Xbox Store
* Steam
* Uplay
* Epic Store
* Origin
* Battle.net
 
You had physical stores and to a lesser extent magazines as gatekeepers in the 80s. 90s, 00's until Steam came along, and developers where lucky if they saw 30% never mind 70%.

Stores and magazines weren't "gatekeepers" for a platform. A gatekeeper would be Microsoft refusing to let your product on DOS. Yes, it could be hard to distribute your product, but it didn't block you from finding a way to do it
 
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