it’s less about monopoly and more about this being a mature product. I can’t quite understand why people still expect revolutions when the iPhone debuted close to 20 years agoI’m long past getting excited for new HW after not being a fan of VP and seeing no sight for a foldable. I’m ready to just accept minor HW, and everything related to SW and trying to get us to purchase SaaS.
Sad, but when there’s a monopoly in the space, ya get this sort of stuff.
I've kind of gotten used to it, but I still wake up every once in a while with the thing jammed up on my wrist in some uncomfortable way. And this is with an SE, can't imagine at all wearing an Ultra in bed.Everyone is an individual with different levelks of comfort. Its not just the feeling of something on a wrist; its the weight a well. How am I supposed to spoon my partner with a watch on my wrist that would go under them? How can I tuck in my hands under my head with a watch in the way?
If people manage to sleep with a watch on then more power to them. But its something I have tried and have no desire to repeat.
I've kind of gotten used to it, but I still wake up every once in a while with the thing jammed up on my wrist in some uncomfortable way. And this is with an SE, can't imagine at all wearing an Ultra in bed.
Oh, how so? Because it's thinner?I did it for several months. Do not recommend. S10 is much more comfortable!
Oh, how so? Because it's thinner?
(Wait, I think you mean more comfortable than the Ultra, not the SE)
First of all, the RAM situation was the same with Steve Jobs. And iPhones don’t become “useless” without Apple Intelligence, come on… personally, I don’t even care.I think it comes from a sticky ecosystem that people are addicted to not doing what customers want. Look, Apple has shipped products with far too little RAM for a long time forcing them to upgrade at high prices. Making over $194 in profits for just a 16GB RAM upgrade. Same with the iPhones. Most won’t even run Apple Intelligence, as they have been hamstrung products forever with minimal RAM - and everyone in Apple’s court says oh well it’s to save battery life. Well, when products become worthless one year in and will not run Apple Intelligence, that’s the company making money and not caring about the customers. Yes, Apple built something with Steve that many of us deeply cared about. But it’s just like always, when these companies get so massive and Tim gets $100m annually in stock grants based on performance, you really realize that this is all about money. The top 1% prosper while the other 99% desire the latest.
Not saying that business isn’t about money, but I am saying I cannot wait until Apple is pulled apart just like Google will be. Apple is acting anticompetitively and has ever since Tim took over. He can say he cars about the environment and that’s why they remove a charger from the box and include a USBC cable when Apple had never included a USBC charger with an iPhone. They’re counting on the ecosystem demand and desires - most likely addictions. The world will be better off when these megacorporations aren’t allowed to monopolize competition. They steal and buy out competitors at all costs. It’s ruthless, and Tim and so many people here think he really cares about more than money. I will never believe that.
If there’s no Apple Ring, it’s because the resources were not given to the people to do it, or Apple decided it would cut into Sales of Apple Watch. Bar none- No other excuse is possible. Tim’s only product he launched without Steve’s help that was successful was Apple Watch and the accessory AirPods. Let’s all remember Tim is not a product person and he understands money primarily.
I am shocked at how many people believe Apple’s marketing that their iPhones are more secure than Android. It’s all marketing hype. And right now, Apple needs new leadership that cares about the future not just making money this year or while this executive team fails to lead into a bright future. Steve was right to be worried, as if you’re an AAPL shareholder for the last twelve years you made bucks, but the future of Apple will not be like its past. You can see with the failure to understand pricing. The failure to allow competition. The failure to allow developers to create interoperability into software that goes on products we buy and we should be able to do whatever we want with.
I will gladly pay to run MacOS on my iPad M4. We all know it will run just fine, but Apple wants the money of selling an iPad and MacBook - so they hamstring the iPad - you think that’s anything other than money talking? That’s purely a financial decision. Doesn’t matter that some will defend Apple to their death, it matters that consumers be protected from the elitist that run Apple. And this is not even saying what I really think of them. As that would be too hurtful to mention the truth that a bunch of sheep make 10,000x what the other Apple employees make. Or that the people in China get treated like garbage. And Apple acts like it cares about suppliers and people. If they really cared, it would be about more than money! They’re no different than any other company except they’re two faced in stating they care about the environment they care about this and that. I respect other company executives more just saying it’s about the money. That’s the truth here.
Not that kind of ringI think they should make a ring!
Seems like I'm in the minority, but I would be interested in an Apple smart ring. I have an Apple Watch and would love to track my sleep, but there's no way I'll be wearing a whole damn watch on my wrist while I sleep (I've tried). A ring is the perfect solution. Obviously there are other smart ring options, I'd simply prefer one in the Apple ecosystem.
BOO!
Though smart rings with health capabilities have been growing in popularity, Apple has no plans to join the smart ring market, according to Bloomberg's Mark Gurman. While Apple explored the idea, there is no active development of a ring going on at this time, and Apple has no plans to launch a ring.
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Samsung's Galaxy Ring
Smart rings on the market from companies like Oura measure heart rate, track body temperature, and have sleep tracking capabilities, all of which are functions of the Apple Watch. If Apple released a smart ring, it would have the same feature set of the Apple Watch, and it would likely cannibalize Apple Watch sales.
Back in February, Gurman said that Apple's industrial team had suggested that Apple work on a smart ring, with the device possibly serving as a lower-cost alternative to the Apple Watch. Apple executives apparently weren't interested, and active development didn't happen.
Gurman's report followed a February rumor from Korean site Electronic Times, which said that Apple was "speeding up development" of a smart ring that could be used for health tracking. The site claimed that Apple was weighing the idea of a smart ring as an expansion of its wearables lineup, but those rumors may have been spurred by Samsung's Galaxy Ring.
Samsung introduced the Galaxy Ring in July alongside new foldable smart phones. Designed to work only with Galaxy devices, the Galaxy Ring tracks movement, sleep, heart rate, and respiratory rate, providing users with a daily sleep score and an energy score.
New devices from Samsung can spur rumors about Apple products because the two companies typically compete in the same markets, but there are some instances where Apple has not followed in Samsung's footsteps. Samsung has had foldable smartphones for years now, and Apple still seems to have no concrete plans for a foldable iPhone.
There have been Apple patents for ring-like devices, and those patents have also led to "iRing" rumors, but Apple patents all kinds of strange things that never make it to launch.
Gurman is a reliable source for information on Apple's future plans, but there are some who still seem to think an Apple ring is coming. CCS Insight told CNBC just this week that Apple might launch a "connected ring" to rival Samsung by 2026.
Rather than launching a ring, Apple may instead lower the price of the Apple Watch. The next-generation Apple Watch SE that's slated for 2025 is expected to include a plastic casing that could bring lower costs and more appeal to customers looking for something cheap and durable, either for themselves or for their children.
Article Link: Apple Has No Plans For a Smart Ring
I still want it to tell time. Maybe put an analog watch on top or something, that'll be interesting.One day, they will release something which gives all the health benefits, without the screen, think of a weeks battery life!
Withings does thisI still want it to tell time. Maybe put an analog watch on top or something, that'll be interesting.
I actually used to have one until recently for health reasons. But some way-off VO2 measurements were making me incredibly anxious about even wearing it. My doc gave me the all clear but still I sold the Watch and only ever wear a junky Casio when I'm at work.I don't use it for going to sleep or waking up. My S9 tracks my overnight wrist temperature, my resting heart rate, blood oxygen, and sleep quality. It tells me how activity levels influence my sleep, and I like to keep an eye on my heart health trends over time — RHR being particularly important.
What I'm saying is, if somebody uses an AW for health reasons, it should absolutely be worn overnight as well otherwise they're losing 30%+ of the available data — and it's data that can paint a different picture to waking stats. If, on the other hand, someone wants the watch only to tell time, or for apps and notifications, I can understand why they wouldn't wear it.
But put it this way: lots of people's watches have alerted them to heart troubles like A Fib, or provided to healthcare practitioners hugely important "missing picture" data by virtue of being continuously collected and being able to show deviations from the norm. Not wearing it for the duration of being asleep takes takes away a lot of its opportunity to save a life or identify the appropriate course of action regarding medication or treatment.
I'd actually like them to make it have a 18-hour battery with 4G turned on and release the Watch app for the iPad. This would let me ditch the iPhone altogether for an iPad Mini.I still want it to tell time. Maybe put an analog watch on top or something, that'll be interesting.
They hired a lot of designers from car companies. Ive started out designing toilets.That makes no sense. They hired a bunch of people that had automotive experience from the industry. Now it's possible that they leveraged vision data from the car project for Vision Pro, but it was never a cover for the Vision Pro.
A fitness/activity tracking ring doesn't interest me in the least, but Apple might be missing out on a good opportunity. Oura charges $70/year for a subscription, which is required to get anything but the most basic information out of their ring. If Apple were to release a ring with no subscription costs, it may siphon a substantial part of their business off.
But I'm sure Apple has marketing research people who are a lot smarter and astute than me and already know this, so obviously there are other reasons they don't want to get into that market.
I'd be very interested in an Apple Ring also. Still using a series 6 bought the year it was released. But I dont love wearing a watch, and the idea of the battery lasting long enough to track my sleep is laughable, so I've never done it.Seems like I'm in the minority, but I would be interested in an Apple smart ring. I have an Apple Watch and would love to track my sleep, but there's no way I'll be wearing a whole damn watch on my wrist while I sleep (I've tried). A ring is the perfect solution. Obviously there are other smart ring options, I'd simply prefer one in the Apple ecosystem.
It wouldn't be the first time Apple made devices with overlapping purposes. The reason would be if not having a ring affects watch sales, because people opt for an Oura instead.A ring would dilute the value of the watch. There’s no reason to do a ring.
Charge it briefly before going to sleep. I get into bed, charge the watch while I read or watch tv, then put it back on and fully charge it in the morning.I'd be very interested in an Apple Ring also. Still using a series 6 bought the year it was released. But I dont love wearing a watch, and the idea of the battery lasting long enough to track my sleep is laughable, so I've never done it.
Most likely the profit for Oura is in the subscription.My wife recently purchased the Oura because her Garmin watch died, but she would have bought a ring from Apple if it existed. I may follow suit if she has a good experience. We're an Apple household so it also seems to me Apple is leaving $ on the table. If they released a ring with no subscription, Oura would cease to exist.
it probably isn’t. An Oura is a vastly more limited offering, mostly useful for tracking sleep. You shouldn’t wear it in the gym for lifting weights, it doesn’t have a screen, and doesn’t come close to the quantity of sensors. My AW tracks my runs and gives me detailed summaries of how I’m improving in multiple areas of health. I control my workout app in the gym with it and it again tracks my heartrate during and after that session. That’s before considering the other apps that are available to vastly increase the utility of the device.As it is, I'd speculate Oura is draining market share from the Apple Watch; probably not enough to care yet but eventually....
Certainly it's a wearable-lite, which is the point; it's light, and watches are annoying for some people. You're incorrect about not reading heart rate and tracking workouts. But your point about not using while lifting weights is a good one. That's a fail.Charge it briefly before going to sleep. I get into bed, charge the watch while I read or watch tv, then put it back on and fully charge it in the morning.
Most likely the profit for Oura is in the subscription.
it probably isn’t. An Oura is a vastly more limited offering, mostly useful for tracking sleep. You shouldn’t wear it in the gym for lifting weights, it doesn’t have a screen, and doesn’t come close to the quantity of sensors. My AW tracks my runs and gives me detailed summaries of how I’m improving in multiple areas of health. I control my workout app in the gym with it and it again tracks my heartrate during and after that session. That’s before considering the other apps that are available to vastly increase the utility of the device.
A ring does almost none of that. It’s a wearable-lite.
I’d be surprised if that happened. Rings are really niche products.It wouldn't be the first time Apple made devices with overlapping purposes. The reason would be if not having a ring affects watch sales, because people opt for an Oura instead.
You might as well say the iPhone dilutes the value of the watch.A ring would dilute the value of the watch. There’s no reason to do a ring.