Apple has PURPOSELY introduced lag/delay with Home Button interactions

[Radon87000]

the argument really isn't whether the lag exists; enough people have posted here experiencing it, so we know it does. what hasn't been proved is that everyone is experiencing it. and, more importantly, there's no way to prove that the issue was created deliberately (the original premise of this thread).

and round and round we go. maybe time to let this thread, finally, deservedly, be put to rest.

What’s being said is that every device has it, not everyone is experiencing/noticing it. And you don’t need to test every device on the planet to conclude if an issue exists. If 10-20 phones have it, it’s there.

 

[Shirasaki]

What’s being said is that every device has it, not everyone is experiencing/noticing it. And you don’t need to test every device on the planet to conclude if an issue exists. If 10-20 phones have it, it’s there.

And you still miss the point.
We are not here to argue whether issue is there or not. We know the lag is there. Fact. Existed. Happened in history.
What we are here to argue is whether Apple “purposefully” introducing such a lag, to “intentionally slow device down”, aka “planned obsolescence”. The existace of That “intentional” behavior is unknown and no one but very few could know it.

 

[Radon87000]

And you still miss the point.
We are not here to argue whether issue is there or not. We know the lag is there. Fact. Existed. Happened in history.
What we are here to argue is whether Apple “purposefully” introducing such a lag, to “intentionally slow device down”, aka “planned obsolescence”. The existace of That “intentional” behavior is unknown and no one but very few could know it.

Actually some members like i7guy deny that this lag exists and are now siding with Apple saying what we are seeing was a bug fix. If it was a bug fix, they would have closed all feedback entries on this. If they were unsure, it still shouldn't take them more than a few months to decide on this. I don't see why Apple will keep the entry open for years on end especially with all iPhones lacking home buttons next year. They will come to a resolution on this and if they still,keep it open there is only 1 conclusion.


On planned obsolescence it is quite simple. Apple have slowed down the home button whether it wasn't originally intentional or not is currently not known by us but can be predicted based on future actions. Now that they know it, it's their job to fix it. Considering the fact that my bug was a duplicate, it seems there's many users submitting feedback on this. If despite knowing this, they don't fix it, it's malicious and a way to artificially make the iPhone X superior. Add in the fact that all iPhones coming out next year lack home buttons and it's easy to see Apple's motivation behind this.

There should be ZERO timed slowdown in any sort of an OS upgrade. I can understand increased load times and stuttering but this is a timed delay in the OS amd not fixing this is proving that Apple's focus is now the X and they no longer care about superior experience with their mid range phones.

 

[C DM]

On planned obsolescence it is quite simple. Apple have slowed down the home button whether it wasn't originally intentional or not is currently not known by us but can be predicted based on future actions. Now that they know it, it's their job to fix it. Considering the fact that my bug was a duplicate, it seems there's many users submitting feedback on this. If despite knowing this, they don't fix it, it's malicious and a way to artificially make the iPhone X superior. Add in the fact that all iPhones coming out next year lack home buttons and it's easy to see Apple's motivation behind this.

It's easy to suppose it all, especially for those that are inclined to do so, but it all still remains a supposition nonetheless.

 

[Radon87000]

It's easy to suppose it all, especially for those that are inclined to do so, but it all still remains a supposition nonetheless.

The factual end result is a slower phone due to a timed delay. Now why is Apple not fixing the timed delay? Why?

 

[C DM]

And this doesn't change the end result which is a slower phone due to a timed delay. Now why is Apple not fixing the timed delay? Why?

Who knows. We can only come up with guesses. (And also keep in mind that with some similar type of animation glitches/delays that were in the early days of iOS 10, which were similarly used to demonstrate planned insolence, those ended up getting ironed out by later updates, all the way as far as 10.3.)

 

[Shirasaki]

There should be ZERO timed slowdown in any sort of an OS upgrade.

Then iPhone 7 users will see that weird animation because there is no delay on home button, so does iPhone 8 users if Apple ever decide to revert to iOS 10 behavior. Either see a normal animation with delay, or see a weird animation without delay. Give or take. It’s all up to user to adapt.

they don't fix it

One can say Apple does not fix it at a certain date (such as today), and keep saying the same thing except changing the date. But, no one knows whether Apple is unwilling to fix it, or Apple don’t care, or Apple has made some decisions but don’t like to disclose. This piece is the most important piece to solve the puzzle created by OP and amplified by multiple forum members. However, this piece may have no chance to see the light of the day.

 

[fisherking]

Actually some members like i7guy deny that this lag exists and are now siding with Apple saying what we are seeing was a bug fix. If it was a bug fix, they would have closed all feedback entries on this. If they were unsure, it still shouldn't take them more than a few months to decide on this. I don't see why Apple will keep the entry open for years on end especially with all iPhones lacking home buttons next year. They will come to a resolution on this and if they still,keep it open there is only 1 conclusion.


On planned obsolescence it is quite simple. Apple have slowed down the home button whether it wasn't originally intentional or not is currently not known by us but can be predicted based on future actions. Now that they know it, it's their job to fix it. Considering the fact that my bug was a duplicate, it seems there's many users submitting feedback on this. If despite knowing this, they don't fix it, it's malicious and a way to artificially make the iPhone X superior. Add in the fact that all iPhones coming out next year lack home buttons and it's easy to see Apple's motivation behind this.

There should be ZERO timed slowdown in any sort of an OS upgrade. I can understand increased load times and stuttering but this is a timed delay in the OS amd not fixing this is proving that Apple's focus is now the X and they no longer care about superior experience with their mid range phones.

thru this entire thread, you've learned nothing. i do NOT have lag on my home button (maybe an SE thing?), it's the same as ios 10. am not saying i don't see it, am telling you it's not there.

that doesn't mean YOU don't have it. and i am not siding with apple, or... anyone. just reporting my experience.

and you continue to make assumptions: "it's easy to see Apple's motivation behind this", "it's malicious and a way to artificially make the iPhone X superior".

statements like these, without factual evidence, are just theories. and, for the last time, theories are not facts.

saddest thread i've ever experienced on macrumors forums.... 😵

 

[Shirasaki]

saddest thread i've ever experienced on macrumors forums.... 😵

Especially when people in the forum are so dumb they cannot comprehend what has been transpired here. (Sorry, I just want to learn how to use these words) This is indeed a ridiculous thread.

 

[Radon87000]

Who knows. We can only come up with guesses. (And also keep in mind that with some similar type of animation glitches/delays that were in the early days of iOS 10, which were similarly used to demonstrate planned insolence, those ended up getting ironed out by later updates, all the way as far as 10.3.)

And no matter whatever is thought off, there is just no conclusion that can be made that its not malice or intentional, if they keep the entry open indefinitely . The only way to clear themselves is to fix the delay. They have to finish what they started

Then iPhone 7 users will see that weird animation because there is no delay on home button, so does iPhone 8 users if Apple ever decide to revert to iOS 10 behavior. Either see a normal animation with delay, or see a weird animation without delay. Give or take. It’s all up to user to adapt.

Wasnt that animation glitch fixed in later iOS versions. It was closing apps too quickly causing some animation problems but this was later fixed on 10.3. On 10.3.3 I didnt notice any animation glitch and the videos on 10.3.3 which I have seen also dont show it. Its a timed delay which has no excuses and needs to be fixed.

I was just watching EverythingApplePro's take on iOS 11.2 and it seems they fixed a part of the home button app switcher delay. Check out the gif below. App Switcher now triggers instantly instead of a delay. Coupled with the fact that I recieved a response from Apple yesterday, it seems they are now finally focusing on the home button. Its too early to tell though and I could be wrong but we will see

https://i.imgur.com/LC7x9RZ.gif

One can say Apple does not fix it at a certain date (such as today), and keep saying the same thing except changing the date. But, no one knows whether Apple is unwilling to fix it, or Apple don’t care, or Apple has made some decisions but don’t like to disclose. This piece is the most important piece to solve the puzzle created by OP and amplified by multiple forum members. However, this piece may have no chance to see the light of the day.

But if they dont fix it/keep the feedback entry open/close it, it shows that they do not intend to fix it. They started the delay and its their job to fix it.

thru this entire thread, you've learned nothing. i do NOT have lag on my home button (maybe an SE thing?), it's the same as ios 10. am not saying i don't see it, am telling you it's not there.

that doesn't mean YOU don't have it. and i am not siding with apple, or... anyone. just reporting my experience.

and you continue to make assumptions: "it's easy to see Apple's motivation behind this", "it's malicious and a way to artificially make the iPhone X superior".

statements like these, without factual evidence, are just theories. and, for the last time, theories are not facts.

saddest thread i've ever experienced on macrumors forums.... 😵

Lets summarise the facts

-Apple had a very fast home button on iOS 10.3.3.
-On iOS 11 it was slowed down and there was a timed delay introduced
-Feedback was continually given and finally a response was posted
-The response is that the original entry posted by someone else is open and dupilcate is closed


Now from hereon in, there's only 2 ways this can go. They address it. They don't address it. Their response indicates they are aware of the issue and it has been reproduced on their test devices. Now if its fixed, this confirms that it was a bug from the beginning and unintentional and again this is subject to it being fixed till the end of this year. If its not fixed, they are pruposely not fixing it.

 

[C DM]

And no matter whatever is thought off, there is just no conclusion that can be made that its not malice or intentional, if they keep the entry open indefinitely . The only way to clear themselves is to fix the delay. They have to finish what they started

That's not how it works. You don't get to make up a conjecture and then put it on someone else to disprove it. You need to either prove it (which has been shown that there is no way to do it with the information that is available so far), or accept that it's just a conjecture.
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Now from hereon in, there's only 2 ways this can go. They address it. They don't address it. Their response indicates they are aware of the issue and it has been reproduced on their test devices. Now if its fixed, this confirms that it was a bug from the beginning and unintentional and again this is subject to it being fixed till the end of this year. If its not fixed, they are pruposely not fixing it whether due to carelessness or being unsure etc but this shows they dont care about the older phones

The fact that the bug exists and is open is all that it indicates. It doesn't mean they reproduced it or anything else, short of knowing actual details of that bug.

Furthermore, as has already been covered but conveniently overlooked or ignored, as usual, if they close it and don't do anything, it would be intentional of them not to do anything about it, but on it's own it still doesn't mean that there was some particular original intent (and certainly nothing about it being due to some malicious conspiracy).

If they leave it open and don't do anything about it, it would show that they haven't decided what to do with it, or haven't gotten around to doing something about all of it, or something else of that nature. There can be some intent involved there as far as how they are treating the reported issue, but, again, on it's own it still doesn't mean that it was there was some particular original intent (and certainly nothing about it being due to some malicious conspiracy).

There can certainly be theories about original intent based on all those possibilities, but it would still be in the realm of supposition.

 

[ssl0408]

This home button lag has scared me into ordering an iPhone 7 instead of the iPhone 8. The phone is being delivered today. Does anyone know if the iPhone 7 will ship with iOS 10 or iOS 11? Thanks..

 

[d5aqoëp]

This home button lag has scared me into ordering an iPhone 7 instead of the iPhone 8. The phone is being delivered today. Does anyone know if the iPhone 7 will ship with iOS 10 or iOS 11? Thanks..

It should be on iOS 11. If you happen to get it from an old stock, you might get lucky with iOS 10.

 

[ssl0408]

It should be on iOS 11. If you happen to get it from an old stock, you might get lucky with iOS 10.

Ugh! That's unfortunate. So I was better off ordering the iPhone 8. The only way to know for sure if it's running iOS 10 or 11 is to open it. I would hate to do that because if it's running iOS 11, then I'd want to return it for the 8 after opening it. Thanks for the fast reply!

 

[fisherking]

This home button lag has scared me into ordering an iPhone 7 instead of the iPhone 8. The phone is being delivered today. Does anyone know if the iPhone 7 will ship with iOS 10 or iOS 11? Thanks..

you've ordered an older iphone because you're scared of the home button lag? then why not play it safer?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Apple-iPho...hash=item5d6f3ed817:m:mnib10dQR2XqcFWXLETUYLg

 

[ssl0408]

you've ordered an older iphone because you're scared of the home button lag? then why not play it safer?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Apple-iPho...hash=item5d6f3ed817:m:mnib10dQR2XqcFWXLETUYLg

That's not the only reason. iOS 11 has so many bugs that I wanted to stay away from it as well.

 

[fisherking]

That's not the only reason. iOS 11 has so many bugs that I wanted to stay away from it as well.

not for me. sometimes, takes a minute for the speakerphone to turn on. and the calculator is messed up. otherwise, am having a great time on ios11. either way, as with every ios before it, bugs get squashed with each new update. and life goes on...

 

[Radon87000]

That's not how it works. You don't get to make up a conjecture and then put it on someone else to disprove it. You need to either prove it (which has been shown that there is no way to do it with the information that is available so far), or accept that it's just a conjecture.

So if they leave it as it is with a slower home button than on iOS 10 thats not proof enough? Whats the advantage of the slower button? No advntages? So why was it slowed down? A bug? Then why was it not fixed? Not a bug? Obviously intentional

Furthermore, as has already been covered but conveniently overlooked or ignored, as usual, if they close it and don't do anything, it would be intentional of them not to do anything about it, but on it's own it still doesn't mean that there was some particular original intent
If they leave it open and don't do anything about it, it would show that they haven't decided what to do with it, or haven't gotten around to doing something about all of it, or something else of that nature. There can be some intent involved there as far as how they are treating the reported issue, but, again, on it's own it still doesn't mean that it was there was some particular original intent (and certainly nothing about it being due to some malicious conspiracy).

Ah but if they are intentionally not fixing it, that means they are now leaving the iPhone 7 slower than on iOS 10. This has been pointed out to them through feedback explicitly that its slower than on IOS 10. If they close it that means its working as intended.

There can certainly be theories about original intent based on all those possibilities, but it would still be in the realm of supposition.

Do you at least agree that if they dont fix it their intention as of today is not to fix a slower phone?

you've ordered an older iphone because you're scared of the home button lag? then why not play it safer?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Apple-iPho...hash=item5d6f3ed817:m:mnib10dQR2XqcFWXLETUYLg

I think its a perfectly rational purchase. Speedtests have shown iPhone 8 and iPhone 7 perform similarly on iOS 11 so with the faster home button of iOS 10, the iPhone 7 on iOS 10 will be more responsive than iPhone 8 on iOS 11.

 

[fisherking]

So if they leave it as it is with a slower home button than on iOS 10 thats not proof enough? Whats the advantage of the slower button? No advntages? So why was it slowed down? A bug? Then why was it not fixed? Not a bug? Obviously intentional

this is so obvious, i can't believe i have to mention it, but... isn't it possible that it's a bug that has not yet been fixed?. and saying "obviously intentional" once again is statinga theory; it's 'obvious' only to you (and, of course, to some other conspiracy theorists).

consider that, perhaps, the world really isn't as complicated as you make it, and that apple will squash more bugs over time, and one day, ios11 will be pretty great. perhaps just in time for ios12 (and then, you'll be able to come up with new conspiracies for that).

 

[I7guy]

So if they leave it as it is with a slower home button than on iOS 10 thats not proof enough? Whats the advantage of the slower button? No advntages? So why was it slowed down? A bug? Then why was it not fixed? Not a bug? Obviously intentional


Ah but if they are intentionally not fixing it, that means they are now leaving the iPhone 7 slower than on iOS 10. This has been pointed out to them through feedback explicitly that its slower than on IOS 10. If they close it that means its working as intended.



Do you at least agree that if they dont fix it their intention as of today is not to fix a slower phone?




I think its a perfectly rational purchase. Speedtests have shown iPhone 8 and iPhone 7 perform similarly on iOS 11 so with the faster home button of iOS 10, the iPhone 7 on iOS 10 will be more responsive than iPhone 8 on iOS 11.

First I have no degradation going from iOS 10 to iOS 11 on my iPhone 7/6s/5s.

Second while we’re “conjecturing” the conjecture could be iOS 10.3.3 had a bug with respect the home button; similar to the no animation bug. This iOS 10 glitch is now fixed in iOS 11. So it’s intentional a bug was addressed and unintentional a bug was introduced. And IMO blown out of proportion to real bugs that needed to be fixed.

 

[fisherking]

First I have no degradation going from iOS 10 to iOS 11 on my iPhone 7/6s/5s.

Second while we’re “conjecturing” the conjecture could be iOS 10.3.3 had a bug with respect the home button; similar to the no animation bug. This iOS 10 glitch is now fixed in iOS 11. So it’s intentional a bug was addressed and unintentional a bug was introduced. And IMO blown out of proportion to real bugs that needed to be fixed.

ha! brilliant.

 

[C DM]

I'm going to open Pandora's box even wider with this:

The new animation for scrolling to the top shortcut in iOS 11.1 now sort of decelerates a bit as it finishes which makes it feel slower than before. This is clearly intentional to slow down the ability to quickly scroll up using that tap at the top shortcut so that people would want to get the iPhone X where they won't want to tap at the top since there's a notch there in the middle.

 

[Feenician]

Imagine this but s/tumah/bug/. It's not. It's intentional unification of timing and animation over all devices with a button.

 

[Radon87000]

this is so obvious, i can't believe i have to mention it, but... isn't it possible that it's a bug that has not yet been fixed?. and saying "obviously intentional" once again is statinga theory; it's 'obvious' only to you (and, of course, to some other conspiracy theorists).

consider that, perhaps, the world really isn't as complicated as you make it, and that apple will squash more bugs over time, and one day, ios11 will be pretty great. perhaps just in time for ios12 (and then, you'll be able to come up with new conspiracies for that).

I already acknowledged the possibility it could be a bug. Thats why I use the word "If" in my post. If they dont fix it/leave feedback open indefinitely/close the entry, then its not a bug but done on purpose

First I have no degradation going from iOS 10 to iOS 11 on my iPhone 7/6s/5s.

Second while we’re “conjecturing” the conjecture could be iOS 10.3.3 had a bug with respect the home button; similar to the no animation bug. This iOS 10 glitch is now fixed in iOS 11. So it’s intentional a bug was addressed and unintentional a bug was introduced. And IMO blown out of proportion to real bugs that needed to be fixed.

So this home button delay is an unintentional bug introduced as a side effect of fixing another home button bug? Plausible but now that Apple knows it, it should be fixed otherwise thats not what it was

 

[I7guy]

I already acknowledged the possibility it could be a bug. Thats why I use the word "If" in my post. If they dont fix it/leave feedback open indefinitely/close the entry, then its not a bug but done on purpose



So this home button delay is an unintentional bug introduced as a side effect of fixing another home button bug? Plausible but now that Apple knows it, it should be fixed otherwise thats not what it was

the home button quickness in iOS 10.3.3 was a bug similar to the no-animation glitch. Apple fixed the bug in iOS 11, intentionally, and now the home button response works as designed.