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Apple Has 'Secret' Team of Biomedical Engineers Developing Sensors for Non-Invasively Monitoring Blood Glucose

Every day I LIKE TO EAT two buckets of chicken wings, one grass fed beef steak, a big bag of french fries, 8 egg whites for breakfast, a big bottle of coca cola for drinks and a glass of detox tea. I LOVE TO complain about high priced medications and need to control my blood sugar. Great that Apple is here to help me. Trusted company ! I will eat a large Big Mac menu to celebrate ! :p
 
If Apple really do develop something that will transform the lives of millions of diabetics, I hope they also licence it rather than just exploit it to bring people into the Apple ecosystem. I know Apple will have invested big money into this, and at the end of the day it's about getting the share price higher, but I would hope there'd be some morale consideration too.

MacLawyer said:
I wish this type of information didn't get leaked. Samsung and Microsoft are now going to rush crappy imitations to market and say they did it first.
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I'm not even sure if you're serious, but are you really implying that MS or Samsung could just develop an FDA-approved medical breakthrough overnight?
 
Like always Apple will not be designing anything new or "innovative" (how soon it is forgotten that Job's borrowed, OK stole the GUI interface idea). What they will be doing is figuring a way to conveniently package the tech and sell it to those who need it and will be trendy and fashionable at the same time. Typically most medical products are pretty boring and clunky to be real daily wearing devices, so maybe Apple can add something to the question.

http://www.medgadget.com/2016/10/sk..._medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Medgadget__TrendMD_0

PS. I'm a huge fan of people getting info about their health on a regular basis. Unlike our cars, health is a daily commitment and not just an 5,000 mile oil change and 60,000 mile check up.
 
There's some kid on YouTube who had a call (ans swears by it!) from someone who works at Apple and according to them watchOS 4 will unlock the ability to record blood glucose on existing watches as the sensors are already there. We've all heard this rumour since day one. Personally I can't imagine this is correct whatsoever but you never know. Perhaps the sensors do exist but the implementation is just not accurate enough to get past the appropriate authority body.
 
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ActionableMango said:
You need blood for existing technology that has been around for years or even decades. This must be referring to something new.

In fact in Europe there is a no-blood tester but it is still somewhat invasive. It is not in the US yet because our FDA takes a lot longer. I've considered importing it.
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yes, it is called the Abbot Freestyle Libre system, for anyone else interested.

I have been using this for a year or two now and it is fairly good, but very slightly inaccurate and can sometimes be a bit unreliable, it took me months to get one in the UK when it first came out, and they are still fairly rare to find in Europe.

If you imported it I have no doubt it would be very very popular in the US. I always thought that all the new stuff was released in the US first before Europe, ha ha!

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[doublepost=1492073189][/doublepost]If Apple does really release this, I would be ecstatic. True, accuracy would be a concern though.

Seeing that Apple has come so far technologically, I am fairly confident that these sensors could become a reality.

Alex
 
nitramluap said:
Sigh...

I'm an Anaesthesiologist/Anaesthetist. I cannot see any way that blood glucose can be measured directly and accurately in a non-invasive way. Not physically possible and you sure as hell aren't going to detect glucose with 'light' in vivo.

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There will be a way. Maybe not today, but one day. There is a woman with a hyper-acute sense of smell, for example, who can reliably tell if someone has Parkinson's disease just by sniffing their body odour. It wouldn't surprise me if a dog could smell elevated glucose levels.
 
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Well how secret could it be if it's on here? o_O
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Exactly.
And all the drama queens on here just love to jump onboard with their own "tragic" tales. I laugh till the tears run down my leg.

If (huge If) Apple ever made this why would you want the iWatch ? Why wouldn't Apple sell a simple low cost wrist mounted sensor wified back to a pad/Mac/PC/smart TV/router ? Everyone who needed it could have one and be happier and healthy. Now why wouldn't Apple do that I wonder ?
 
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LV426 said:
There will be a way. Maybe not today, but one day. There is a woman with a hyper-acute sense of smell, for example, who can reliably tell if someone has Parkinson's disease just by sniffing their body odour. It wouldn't surprise me if a dog could smell elevated glucose levels.
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That is interesting, I would like to find out more. Can you please provide a link to an article for further reading.

Thanks
 
Defender2010 said:
There's some kid on YouTube who had a call (ans swears by it!) from someone who works at Apple and according to them watchOS 4 will unlock the ability to record blood glucose on existing watches as the sensors are already there. We've all heard this rumour since day one. Personally I can't imagine this is correct whatsoever but you never know. Perhaps the sensors do exist but the implementation is just not accurate enough to get past the appropriate authority body.
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Optical capture does not work, a company I am working with has perfected this after spending a lot of time and cash on optical, also there have been a lot of scams out there where companies have pushed this ... just like back in the 90s all the talk about cold fusion ...
 
diipii said:
Exactly.
And all the drama queens on here just love to jump onboard with their own "tragic" tales. I laugh till the tears run down my leg.

If (huge If) Apple ever made this why would you want the iWatch ? Why wouldn't Apple sell a simple low cost wrist mounted sensor wified back to a pad/Mac/PC/smart TV/router ? Everyone who needed it could have one and be happier and healthy. Now why wouldn't Apple do that I wonder ?
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diipii- How is RudySnow or anyone on here sharing their tales being a drama queen? I was diagnosed at a young age and technology like this would completely change my life. I am presuming that you are not Diabetic. If you were diagnosed and told that you had to manage the illness, would you be laughing???

This post is about technology relating to diabetes.......why the hell do you think that diabetics are going to share "tales" as you put it???
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nitramluap said:
To properly check 'blood oxygen levels' you absolutely, positively need a blood sample.

Are we going to suggest that we can base clinical decisions (or patient's can manage their insulin regime) with a non-medical-grade device? I don't think so...


All this just reeks of techno-narcissism with a good dollop of the Dunning-Kruger Effect helping drive it.
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You disappointed a lot of people in this forum, my friend. But at the end of the day, you nailed it...

Apple would probably be making better use of that money if it was investing on stem cell research.

Next topic, please.
 
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Rainshadow said:
This would SKYROCKET the market for wearables and the applewatch. With diabetes being so prevalent, and having an apple designed solution to monitoring it, it would be huge. Genius idea, that I'm sure they have been considering for some time.
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Ever since they announced that they were putting resources into HealthKit, I became a bigger fan of Apple the company even as I was becoming less of a fan of Apple's computers.

Nunyabinez said:
However, more sensors would definitely do it. I'm type two with A1C easily controlled with medication, so I don't even have to check on a daily basis any more.

But it would be great to be able to get the feedback on a continuous basis, because I'm simply not going to prick my finger to see just how that piece of cake hit me when my overall average is in an acceptable range.
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I'm type II as well. I'm not quite yet ready or willing to go the medication route so I'm currently a masochist who pricks his finger as many as a dozen times a day to see if I need to do an impromptu exercise session to get my numbers down. Even if a non-invasive sensor has accuracy problems, it just needs to be close enough and I can probably cut my stabs down to a few pokes a day.
 
ActionableMango said:
Non-invasive monitoring would be a big, big deal to a heck of a lot of people. This would be the Apple Watch's "killer app" for anyone with diabetes or pre-diabetes.
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Makes you proud to be an Apple fanboy again.
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radiology said:
You disappointed a lot of people in this forum, my friend. But at the end of the day, you nailed it...

Apple would probably be making better use of that money if it was investing on stem cell research.

Next topic, please.
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Fist see, then judge.
 
travelsheep said:
Every day I LIKE TO EAT two buckets of chicken wings, one grass fed beef steak, a big bag of french fries, 8 egg whites for breakfast, a big bottle of coca cola for drinks and a glass of detox tea. I LOVE TO complain about high priced medications and need to control my blood sugar.
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You really should know just a little bit about what you're talking about before you make comments like this. A lot of us diabetics are in better shape than you'll ever be. Karma has a long memory. Don't tempt it lest you gain your education the hard way.
 
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And they have a 5% - 10% variation in accuracy. It varies from each machine, let alone from finger to finger.
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Still blood oxygen levels are monitored non-invasively in hospitals. I had this in February before having a small surgery. If hospitals rely on this, there might be a good change Apple (or someone else) can pull this of for glucose as well.
 
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smirking said:
You really should know just a little bit about what you're talking about before you make comments like this. A lot of us diabetics are in better shape than you'll ever be. Karma has a long memory. Don't tempt it lest you gain your education the hard way.
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Don't spend your time on people like this, useless.
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LV426 said:
There will be a way. Maybe not today, but one day. There is a woman with a hyper-acute sense of smell, for example, who can reliably tell if someone has Parkinson's disease just by sniffing their body odour. It wouldn't surprise me if a dog could smell elevated glucose levels.
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They already have dogs sniffing for cancer on an experimental basis.
 
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As the husband of a Type 1 diabetic, who currently spends a fortune on CGMs (Continuous Glucose Monitors) that are sore and uncomfortable, this would be an absolute game-changer.

It's also becoming increasingly prevalent for non-diabetics to wear CGM's to see how their blood sugar responds after eating or during exercise. If accurate glucose monitoring could be done non-invasively, then I'm sure it would quickly become widespread and it would transform the public's awareness of the effect of what they eat.
 
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Not necessarily. You can check blood oxygen levels non-invasively; blood glucose levels are the next step.
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DZakDad said:
Would love this. This isn't the first time we've heard about glucose monitoring and the Apple Watch. There were rumours of this type of sensor when it was in the pre-release hype window.

Over 35 years as a T1 diabetic - that's a lot of finger prick testing. My big concern would be accuracy.

An issue I see with this is the fact that this would take the Apple Watch into a different category - it would now be a medical device. This would require government approval in any market Apple wanted to sell the watch with this feature. Approvals can take a very long time and when the software was updated, the update would also go through an approval process. When you're working with a device that people will make potentially life altering decisions with that's a completely different market.
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Accuracy is key. It will have to be tested as a medical device (what will drive up the price)

So I hope, if apple will release a medical  watch (and it will be expensive) they also keep the 'non medically' version.
 
LV426 said:
There will be a way. Maybe not today, but one day. There is a woman with a hyper-acute sense of smell, for example, who can reliably tell if someone has Parkinson's disease just by sniffing their body odour. It wouldn't surprise me if a dog could smell elevated glucose levels.
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bmac89 said:
That is interesting, I would like to find out more. Can you please provide a link to an article for further reading.

Thanks
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LV426 said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-34583642
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Fascinating - thanks for sharing the link.

I have a great appreciation for the potential capabilities of the human body and our senses, many of which appear to have been diminished by our lifestyle, living environment and health.
 
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