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nagromme said:
It would be a shame to Apple toss aside its consistent record of having the industry's best support.

I have always wondered if Apple's past industry record on support was really accurate. I think that Apple had such a loyal following of users that they tended to give Apple rosey marks for what most would classify as just average support.

Now with more new users coming to the mac. Support is now getting a less biased audience who have dealt with other computer support groups and are able to make a more accurate comparison.
 
Nothing but trouble

I tell you, I've had nothing but trouble with Apple. I'm young, I'm a medical student (so relatively affluent), and I'm a "switcher." I'm their target audience! That switching part though, that was a mistake on my part. Mac OS X is beautiful software, I love it. Unfortunately I've had a lot of problems with the hardware. These days it's enough I wish I still had my IBM/Lenovo laptop--that never gave me problems.

I bought two new computers for the start of the school year, a macbook for me and an iMac for my fiance (sold on the iSights). The iMac arrived with a faulty graphics system. The screen looked like it was in 4-bit mode, but only every other vertical line, sometimes. It was whack, out of the box, and they wanted me to have it repaired. I wanted a new one, or a discount because apparently what I bought was a refurbished computer (that's what I call a new computer that's already gone in for major repair once). That argument lasted hours and required talking with some upper management at Applecare. They were not sympathetic.

My macbook was a greater problem. First of all, it is essential to my life: academics, scientific research and analysis, reports, email, everything. And it started shutting down on my spontaneously. I sent it in for repair. They very quickly replaced the case (why?) and sent it back to me (kudos for speed). Unfortunately they didn't fix the problem and within days it had resumed the spontaneous shutdowns. Sent it back in, not happy, and they kept it for a week. They replaced the case (again, why?). I need something that's reliable every day and now I'm upset. They ship the computer back. The same day I get it back the screen goes black and it won't boot up. It powers on but I can't see anything. With an external monitor I get it working again, but now every single time I start my Macbook I have to reset the PRAM or it won't do anything--black screen. WTF Apple!

Now I call this a lemon. This machine is clearly broken badly. I'm pissed. I call Apple. Applecare technician agrees with me and sends me to a "product specialist" who wants me to again reset the ram and everything the tech just had me do. Then he wants me to send it in for repair again. Absolutely not! This will the third major repair in one month. I want a new computer. Well, he can't really do that he says. I was so angry. An hour later we had contacted Customer Service but their line suddenly went dead mid-conversation and then Mr. Specialist didn't know what to do. He asked me to hold a few minutes. Suddenly he could look into replacing my computer. Three hours on the line already!!! By the end of this he wants me to take my machine to the local Apple Store and they will determine whether they're willing to replace it or not.

Finally I got somewhere when I called corporate to complain. Another hour on the phone and several legal documents faxed back and forth (honestly, legal documents indemnifying them of further claims!), and supposedly a replacement computer is now on its way to me. Not that I have a tracking number or any way to verify this is actually the case.

I didn't know Apple before the Intel switch, but I'm deeply disappointed. In fact I recommend to anyone who asks to avoid purchasing an Apple computer. The hardware obviously has serious flaws and is unreliable. The tech support, as far as it goes is excellent, but it doesn't go far at all.

That has been my experience. This kind of service will nip Apple's success in the bud. They better change something and fast.
 
Georgie said:
I tell you, I've had nothing but trouble with Apple. I'm young, I'm a medical student (so relatively affluent), and I'm a "switcher." That switching part, that was a mistake. Mac OS X is beautiful software, I love it. Unfortunately I've had a lot of problems with the hardware. These days it's enough I wish I still had my IBM/Lenovo laptop--that never gave me problems.

I bought two new computers for the start of the school year, a macbook for me and an iMac for my fiance (sold on the iSights). The iMac arrived with a faulty graphics system. The screen looked like it was in 4-bit mode, but only every other vertical line, sometimes. It was whack, out of the box, and they wanted me to have it repaired. I wanted a new one, or a discount because apparently what I bought was a refurbished computer (that's what I call a new computer that's already gone in for major repair once). That argument lasted hours and required talking with some upper management at Applecare. They were not sympathetic.

My macbook was a greater problem. First of all, it is essential to my life: academics, scientific research and analysis, reports, email, everything. And it started shutting down on my spontaneously. I sent it in for repair. They very quickly replaced the case (why?) and sent it back to me (kudos for speed). Unfortunately they didn't fix the problem and within days it had resumed the spontaneous shutdowns. Sent it back in, not happy, and they kept it for a week. They replaced the case (again, why?). I need something that's reliable every day and now I'm upset. They ship the computer back. The same day I get it back the screen goes black and it won't boot up. It powers on but I can't see anything. With an external monitor I get it working again, but now every single time I start my Macbook I have to reset the PRAM or it won't do anything--black screen. WTF Apple!

Now I call this a lemon. This machine is clearly broken badly. I'm pissed. I call Apple. Applecare technician agrees with me and sends me to a "product specialist" who wants me to again reset the ram and everything the tech just had me do. Then he wants me to send it in for repair again. Absolutely not! This will the third major repair in one month. I want a new computer. Well, he can't really do that he says. I was so angry. An hour later we had contacted Customer Service but their line suddenly went dead mid-conversation and then Mr. Specialist didn't know what to do. He asked me to hold a few minutes. Suddenly he could look into replacing my computer. Three hours on the line already!!! By the end of this he wants me to take my machine to the local Apple Store and they will determine whether they're willing to replace it or not.

Finally I got somewhere when I called corporate to complain. Another hour on the phone and several legal documents faxed back and forth (honestly, legal documents indemnifying them of further claims!), and supposedly a replacement computer is now on its way to me. Not that I have a tracking number or any way to verify this is actually the case.

I didn't know Apple before the Intel switch, but I'm deeply disappointed. In fact I recommend to anyone who asks to avoid purchasing an Apple computer. The hardware obviously has serious flaws and is unreliable. The tech support, as far as it goes is excellent, but it doesn't go far at all.

That has been my experience. This kind of service will nip Apple's success in the bud. They better change something and fast.



Another person who can never be satisfied.:rolleyes:
 
illegalprelude said:
Call it what you want but these new MacBooks are crap. Yea there is people who are enjoying theirs without a hitch but look at all the reports of problems. Not once on this forum have we had a flood of problems with a single unit. Apple dropped the ball on this one. Poorly made unit
Not to put momre fuel on to the fire, but I agree. MacBooks are indeed crap. I had three sent to me, and all had a few things wrong with them. I ended up getting a refund... Now, if Apple could only re-do a new case for the MacBook Pro series, I'd get one in a heart beat.
 
I've called Apple twice in the past week (on Saturday morning and this morning) and I received excellent support both times!

They answered my questions in a very timely manner.

I'm very hard on Support people because I did Technical Support for years and expect the highest level of support, which I've always received from Apple.

I've also been a .Mac subscriber since it was released and I've never had a problem with it. Yes, I'm currently getting those stupid stock SPAMS, but so is everyone else. I always check to see the address of where the e-mail is coming from, waiting for that day that my addresss is there and I've never see a .mac.com address in the "From" column. It's a great service and much better than the other e-mail services that I use.
 
iMikeT said:
Another person who can never be satisfied.:rolleyes:

Kind of a rude reply to someone who is just posting their experience with Apple.

Without criticism there would never be a reason to improve anything.
 
Wow...

iMikeT said:
Another person who can never be satisfied.:rolleyes:

Are you telling me somebody who spent thousands of dollars on "premium" hardware doesn't have a right to be pissed when both systems he bought were DOA? That is stupid! Apple should have kissed his ass and gave him a new computer after the second major repair. He was nicer than I would have ever been. I would have gone to the Apple store and caused a HUGE scene in the middle of a busy Saturday about it.

Apple computers are expensive. They are worth it when they work (and they usually do) but when Apple makes a mistake they should correct it better than anybody.
 
digitalbiker said:
Kind of a rude reply to someone who is just posting their experience with Apple.

Without criticism there would never be a reason to improve anything.

Agreed, thats why i asked what that meant. I mean its a distasteful reply and im sure if iMike were in his shoes he'd be writing the same type of post....then again he might suck it up...because its almighty Apple.
 
I had a problem with my .mac account recently (failure to update Idisc and Iweb) and reported the fault on the apple support forum for some help. The service was down for a day and a half when I received a phone call from Apple in America. As I live in the UK I was certainly not expecting a phone call from anyone. The Apple representive went through my propblem with me on the phone and made sure my .mac account was working perfectly before he rang off. The problem with service faults are only complaints are ever heard, no one ever mentions the good service when it occurs, and the company was certainly under no obligation to me to make a transatlantic phone call to help me out and is the first time in my many years as a computer user when any manufacturer has ever made this kind of effort to solve a complaint :)
 
So far, i havent been the happiest camper with Apple's support. Having Apple Care on my PowerMac G5, I can tell you I got more of a run-around then any other time ive needed service on a unit. It started with Apple sending me to an Authorised Repair center to replace my Ethernet Card (so the entire logic board had to go, this story btw dates back to xmas) and from there on, my unit with Kurnil Panic all the time, i mean 7 times a day. 2 or 3 random programs opening and back, complete lock up with a full shut down needed.

I had to of course drag my PowerMac 30 miles everytime, drag it to a store (6 times over all before they took care of the problem and dragging a PM through the mall, it gets heavy real fast) and they then blamed it on everytime from "heat" to my "battery backup" to "envirmental issues" to "external HDD". Just every single BS they could think of because all these devices for 2 years prior worked just fine but now they suddenly wanna glitch up? come on now. Finally, finally, 6 visits, 2 calls to AppleCare and a month and a half later did they replace my LogicBoard and processor and find one or both of those to be the problem. Sorry but this is what I get for buying a Pro consumer computer, .Mac service and AppleCare :mad:

Im not saying other units dont have problems. Everything does but it sure as hell seems like from the 1st time the MacBooks hit out, we have seen an uprise in problems from heat, to freezing, to failed drives etc.

Im sure ill get alot of "pro apple kool-aid drinker" attacks from this but this dosent make me any less of an Apple enthusiest or whatever but I work hard for my money and I demand the same quality and service from Apple as I do from any other company. Clear Example iMikeT
 
iMac G5 - gone for 30 days and counting...

Speaking as someone whose iMac G5 has been out of commission and in the nearby Apple Store for thirty days (!), I'm not the happiest Apple user, either. Thing is, I've only ever had good experiences, prior to this. For example, I had one of the early Apple Studio Displays (the ones that looked like oversized bondi blue iMacs), and when it started wonking out, Apple sent me a box, shipping label pre-printed, and repaired it for free, even after it was out of warranty (there was a known defect.)

This latest episode has been pretty aggravating, though (although the only saving grace is that I'll likely be able to score an Intel iMac out of the deal, which I'm somewhat excited about.)

Heh, maybe I should have the Apple Store twiddle their thumbs for a few more weeks, and I might be able to grab a Core 2 Duo version. :p
 
illegalprelude said:
Im sure ill get alot of "pro apple kool-aid drinker" attacks from this but this dosent make me any less of an Apple enthusiest iMikeT

Amen to that! I'm a huge fan of Apple but I wont let them polish a turd and tell me its a diamond.
 
Dotmac has been a HEADACHE this last year...they have lost my e-mail and webpages, and now somehow seem to be prying into my personal life!

I was planning to buy a .mac account for e-mail , blogs through iWeb, web pages etc. I am more aware now about it.
 
VesperDEM said:
The problem with the surveys that they take is that I would suspect most satisfied customers don't fill them out, and the ones that are not satisfied after make sure to fill them out.

This is the absolute truth. People that are upset want everyone too know, while the rest of us go on loving our products. I really try too take the time to fill out surveys that I get wether the product is good or bad.

Please take time too let companies know when they do a good thing, and when they do things that need a little work. Maybe instead of geting all pissed off about being on hold for a few minutes or not being able to talk to a person that speaks English, you could try your luck with customer service from Dell, HSBC, or any other service center that is located in another country. Then maybe you won't be so bitchy. Sorry for the rant.
 
No it didn't.
Parikh1234 said:
I have had no luck today getting two batteries replaced. I enter their serial numbers and it tells me they are not valid serials, even though they fall within the range. When I call the support number and hit 5, i just get a busy tone and it hangs up on me.
 
findpankaj said:
I was planning to buy a .mac account for e-mail , blogs through iWeb, web pages etc. I am more aware now about it.

Don't get dotMac without some serious research. Their services are slow and they are a ton more expensive than comparable services elsewhere. Of course, the benefits are that its well integrated into OS X but you can do that with a little bit of work. YMMV
 
Tip for Apple

Apple could start improving their customer service by:

- Combining "Pro Care," and ".Mac"
- Offering online apple care support for .mac members
- Extending their standard warranty
- The ability to serve people at the apple store as they walk in (for minor issues). Who in the world came up with this appointment crap?:confused:
- Allowing apple users to subsrcibe to apple learning events in iCal.
 
Granted, there are problems with the mac hardware. but till date, I've found apple tech support excellent. They have always replaced my hardware with no questions asked. In fact, they replaced my whole LCD screen on my 3 year old powerbook just because of a white spot.
 
digitalbiker said:
Over the years I have bought a lot of computers for my business from a lot of different venders. To be honest Apple hardware support has never impressed me! :mad: I have actually had much better support from Dell than from Apple.

As far as .Mac goes it is one of the most poorly supported systems I have ever used in my life. They have a lousey limited faq sheet, common problems, email support is pitiful, and they don't take voice support. .Mac is a joke for $100.00 a year.

In general Apple's entire help system in OS X sucks. Searchs within the context of an application gives you all kinds of crap from every application on the system. Also there is no depth to the system. If your problem isn't the most elementary problem possible (99% of which you can figure out yourself) then it won't be in any of the help files.

Just out of curiosity... what kind of problems could you possibly have with .mac? I mean, I've never had any email problems, Setting it up in Mail is as simple as possible... the online interface is simple...

I dunno... hearing people complain about customer service regarding .mac seems funny to me. What types of problems have you had with it?

silverblue3 said:
Granted, there are problems with the mac hardware. but till date, I've found apple tech support excellent. They have always replaced my hardware with no questions asked. In fact, they replaced my whole LCD screen on my 3 year old powerbook just because of a white spot.

I wish I had such luck. Apparently if you have a 15" powerbook, they'll replace that display with no questions asked. I have a 12" powerbook without a single scratch on it that i treat like a baby... but apparently it's my fault because i put too much pressure on it... even though i use a sleeve in a cushioned pocket of a cushioned bag. o_O

ergh. :mad:
 
Having to go through 5 Cinema Displays, two logic boards, a new processor set, a dented new PB, 12 Apple Store visits, and 16 hours on the phone with AppleCare pretty much sums up my satisfaction with Apple's support.

They are nice and courteous, but not given the power to do much in most situations. Pass the buck is their motto.
 
maybe if apple wasn't so dead set on making everything as tiny as possible so that nothing had any room to ventilate and in turn, baking inside, there wouldn't be all these problems. i'd be interested to see the performance results of say, a macbook pro with the casing type of a mac pro.

hrm...

then again, i'm no hardware designer so :p *thinking outloud*
 
Speaking of asinine Apple happenings... why is it that the new Mac Pro standard configuration of 2 dual-core Intel 2.66ghz processors, etc, etc is at $2499, but Apple still has the PowerMac standard configuration of 2 dual-core PowerPC 2.5ghz processors, etc, etc at $3299?

Odd.
 
cloudnine said:
Just out of curiosity... what kind of problems could you possibly have with .mac? I mean, I've never had any email problems, Setting it up in Mail is as simple as possible... the online interface is simple...

I dunno... hearing people complain about customer service regarding .mac seems funny to me. What types of problems have you had with it?


Well, recently there have been problems with people having their mail bounced back to them because somehow the dotMac smtp servers were blacklisted by spamcop and a few other services. They have been having pretty bad, though geographically localized, service disruptions. Friends of mine have also complained that mail they send to me are sometimes bounced back with a "This account doesn't exist" error message even though they have sent me mail before and after the event (yes, they verified the email address).

So, in summary, there are a lot of problems that shouldn't occur with a $100 a year service. DotMac should be at least a 99% uptime service for that kind of money.
 
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