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But when over 99% of the torrents being distributed on your website consists of pirated content, the distinction seems overly fine.

And people who want to pirate are always going to have a reason for not wanting to spend a cent on content. You solve one problem, they will just find another reason to justify their actions. So I am justified in breaking the law just because someone doesn't accede to my request or do things to my liking? At the end of the day, nobody owes me anything.

People want to torrent game of thrones because it isn't available in their country? Go ahead by all means, but also be a man about it and admit to being the shameless pirate that you are, rather than try to hide behind a veil of excuses.

As the Chinese saying goes, dare to do it, dare to admit it.

I have a paid subscription service for cable TV in Oz which includes for example Game of Thrones. I still torrent GOT as it is easier to watch it on my computer in my study with headphones than in my lounge and wake up the entire house. I am not sure why if I have access to the show I should have to buy the show via iTunes as well. There are also many shows that aren't on my cable subscription that I can't get any way other than torrents.

There isn't a viable streaming solution here due to antiquated distribution agreements that haven't moved with the technology and consumption patterns of individuals.

I spend more on content and merchandise now than I have ever done before and the TV and movie industry is making more money than ever before and somehow torrents are impacting their profitability...
 
I have a paid subscription service for cable TV in Oz which includes for example Game of Thrones. I still torrent GOT as it is easier to watch it on my computer in my study with headphones than in my lounge and wake up the entire house. I am not sure why if I have access to the show I should have to buy the show via iTunes as well. There are also many shows that aren't on my cable subscription that I can't get any way other than torrents.

There isn't a viable streaming solution here due to antiquated distribution agreements that haven't moved with the technology and consumption patterns of individuals.

I spend more on content and merchandise now than I have ever done before and the TV and movie industry is making more money than ever before and somehow torrents are impacting their profitability...

not to mention the tax kickback scheme studios enjoy for filming in locations that offer the best deal, that directly impacts the production & post production industry. Quite a few digital artists are facing an ever challenging relocation requirement to find or take on a limited time job with no social security benefits. Poor studios - boohoo

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you make it sound that it's a privilege to go watch a movie. If you really must know what kills it for the general joe, it's your rights management .

Watching a movie is a luxury, absolutely. Smart people expense for that. Movies are consumables. Once they are seen, they can no longer be monetized. It is the same as a dinner out at a restaurant. You can't eat and skip out on the tab even if you really liked the meal and may come back in the future. When 95% of the clientele is doing that, they won't be open long enough to see anyone return. Plus, it was too easy to skip out the first time, so you might as well keep doing it.

Rentals exist because you are sampling something you haven't seen. The biggest flaw in the system right now is this: let everyone watch the first 15 minutes for free. Right on iTunes, etc. I have no problem letting the content speak for itself... The issue is just that people don't go back and pay after they torrent a movie they like. A few may buy the DVD, but 10x that amount will download perfect DVD ISO files instead. There's even a dozen versions of printable artwork people have made for my movie's ripped DVDs. Meanwhile, the damn BluRay is $13 (DVD is $9) and has 4 hours of special features that I personally spent AN ENTIRE YEAR of my life making. Just the special features, unpaid, in my house, editing, color correcting, sound mixing... All by myself. I made a whole $2,000 on that whole movie, spread out over 3 years of quarterly checks. That's about the cost of just my Adobe CC subscription. I worked on that movie for about 2 1/2 years total. It has been pirated at least 250,000 times.

My wife and I are 31 and don't have health insurance. We live in a rented house. We've been trying to save up to have a child for FIVE years.

This is who piracy hurts. It is not YOUR privelage to take my art just as I am not entitled to you paying for my art. But if you don't think that a quarter million people stealing it doesn't hurt, down to the core, you are wrong. It feels insurmountable to fight against a tide that strong. It would hurt less to have the movie fade into obscurity, unseen. Because then you just didn't connect with an audience and you can work to connect on the next movie. But when you have a movie that does connect, that wins awards all over the world, but then gets pirated to death... That's really tough... Because even a minuscule budget like $100,000 seems impossible to recoup. So why even bother?

I've mostly moved away from filmmaking to focus on what I get paid to do... Food photography. I love making movies, I really do, but every minute I'm making one is a minute I'm not photographing a meatloaf... And the meatloaf pays the bills.

If you'd actually read my earlier posts, you'd have read that we released our first movie DRM-free, but piracy increased. We released our second movie worldwide via a Creative Commons license for all to share and I got banned from piracy Reddits (where I was asking for help to create torrents for the movie). I got banned from Pirate Bay. I got banned from Kickass.

I stripped away ALL rights from that second movie and pirates spoke loud and clear. My accounts were banned because the content was NOT pirated, but instead, freely available. I'm done listening to excuses. We've changed everything we do to appease pirates and they keep finding new excuses.
 
As much as I hate to admit this, the above is why I have stayed FAR away from what hasn't payed you. When I pick up my camera and get paid it is the meatloaf and recently the RE stuff. I'm now questioning myself if I truly enjoy it. I mean I do but...

At some point, I'm just going to say screw it, sell all the gear and grab me a leica again with a 35/50 cron. That will be all the shooting I do.
 
Lol. For all the talk of privacy, apple will hand over your personal details in a flash if it suits them. Not surprised.

I actually feel sorry for all the users who actually buy into the whole apple privacy BS, this is no different to google's BS do no evil hypocrisy

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No. If presented with a valid warrant, issued by a court and signed by a judge, seeking user information in a criminal investigation by law enforcement, and, Apple is in possession of that information, Apple will obey the law and comply. They are compelled to do so, As are all other companies.

How is that handing over your personal details in a flash if it suits them?
 
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Good riddance.

I am an indie filmmaker. One of the 3 main guys behind a movie called The Battery. The issue with piracy is the ratio. For every person that rents our movie for $4, at least 50 people pirate it. We can accept that piracy is a way of life, but it is hard to accept that 50 to 1 rate. When a group called YIFY created the 20th torrent of our movie, that torrent was downloaded 100,000 times in 24 hours (according to their website). In that same 24 hours, our movie sold 1 single DRM-free copy for $5. 100k downloads and we made maybe $4 (after fees) to split amongst ourselves and investors.

Hi, i am glad you posted this thoughtful post and glad to hear from an indie filmmaker on this issue. Thank you.

First, I agree with you, good riddance. I cannot condone piracy. However, I will provide my thoughts on what I believe the motion picture industry needs to do to address the situation. It will be controversial, but here goes.

It is my observation that music piracy mostly became irrelevant when iTunes distribution came along. I use the word irrelevant because i acknowledge piracy continues, but that the vast majority of the total available market became serviceable when iTunes came along. iTunes brought with it two key innovations: one, consumer choice, and two, a price that made it desirable, and frankly easier, to not pirate the content.

The problem as I see it with motion pictures has been their unwillingness to adopt the same distribution model. I hear the motion picture industry complain over and over again how iTunes "decimated" the music industry. I disagree. Similarly, the producers of sporting events have the same unwillingness to adopt a new distribution model. With the arrival of live streaming technologies available now, I expect that we will start to see sporting events streamed live allowing people to avoid pricey subscriptions.

I believe iTunes saved the music industry and I think the model could save the motion picture and sporting event industries.

For example, using the numbers in your first paragraph, if $0.99 was the selling price, and you pealed off 30% for iTunes distribution, that would leave you with $0.69. If 50% of the downloaders were willing to pay $0.99 instead of pirating the content, that would net you $34.5K in 24 hours instead of the $5 you actually made. I do not know what your production costs were so I have no way of knowing at what point you would break even. But, if your production cost was $1M, then it would take about 29 days to break even.

I am not sure if this makes your production viable or not. And, given that the motion picture industry in general is not changing probably makes the life of an indie filmmaker like you even more difficult. But i do believe the vast majority of the total available market out there do want to pay something reasonable for content. The challenge is to make the market serviceable.
 
They are but it doesn't stop people directly visiting them still.

Google stopped listing Kickass Torrents ages ago.

A Google search today leads to google listings for several kickass torrents sites and mirrored sites. Also their fan club and Facebook listing.

So Google has not removed listings for the site and its mirror sites.
 
No. If presented with a valid warrant, issued by a court and signed by a judge, seeking user information in a criminal investigation by law enforcement, and, Apple is in possession of that information, Apple will obey the law and comply. They are compelled to do so, As are all other companies.

How is that handing over your personal details in a flash if it suits them?

Relax mate, it's sarcasm playing off the fact that torrenting impacts the content on iTunes.

See, with torrenting, people tend to download music and videos.....guess what's on iTunes....

So....in a sarcastic reply, it was in apples interest to bring down the biggest torrent site ......hence in a flash... Get it ;)

Here is a hint. I'm quite sarcastic, so if you are going to follow me around this site, cause of one debate we had....good luck ;)
 
What makes you think the ISP wasn't involved? They tend to log what machine was using what IP address at any given time. And they tend to get subpoenas for "what authenticated customer account was using a specific IP address at a specific time" with some frequency. This is not a new thing.

Never said they weren't. ISPs are the first to give user data away in such cases (and the most critical ones, actually), while not getting the focus they should. That was my point, it's a combined effort from everyone included, for good or bad.
 
Not mad at this or Apple. I am mad that the blind scale holding woman peeks through her blindfold for people like Hillary though. Eff her and other criminals "too big to jail".
 
So you are saying that this guy is just facilitating and the the real pirates are perhaps many million strong throughout the world. And since most of the content is English it is a fair assumption that the pirating is concentrated in the richest largest western country. The USA.

I have seen the pirates and they are us!

That's how torrent works. The actual sites just host links to the trackers, while the actual (illegal) content is distributed peer-to-peer (i.e. from one user to another) with the tracker linking the user to the sharing network. Statistics show that the US is indeed the the largest pirate in the world, although when taking population into account European countries download more per capita.
 
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Relax mate, it's sarcasm playing off the fact that torrenting impacts the content on iTunes.

See, with torrenting, people tend to download music and videos.....guess what's on iTunes....

So....in a sarcastic reply, it was in apples interest to bring down the biggest torrent site ......hence in a flash... Get it ;)

Here is a hint. I'm quite sarcastic, so if you are going to follow me around this site, cause of one debate we had....good luck ;)
So people are being willfully obtuse in a lame attempt at sarcasm or the typical Apple is bad garbage that permeates this site. Got it.
 
Because jail time is an appropriate response to little Johnny wanting to listen to a hit song? Major players already face serious consequences (evidenced by this thread) but even the RIAA has publicly stated they have no interest in pursuing individual downloaders anymore even for civil damages. There are alternate paths forward, your idea is extreme.

Yeah, that's good because it would be like prosecuting pot smokers. Or pretty much any drug user not hurting anyone (except maybe themselves). Proportionate responses are important, especially when no one is being harmed and no one is being deprived of their property.
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By that logic we should give up on fighting drug dealers too.

It's a bit different. We should decriminalize most of those drugs. It would eliminate the market for the drug dealers of that particular type (the ones using violence to spread their territory and collect debts, etc). Organized crime will still exist, but the point is that legit business would take its place to a large extent once the niche is not illegal.

The drug problem is not the drugs themselves. The drug war is irrational, poorly aimed, and little more than a profit center for law enforcement, who mostly go after non-white users and then the occasional big dealer. It's a racist system targeting low income people.

When you look at the causes of drug use, it's really not the kind of thing to criminalize.

Getting high? So what, as long as you're not hurting anyone else. What you do to yourself is your business. Regulate it like we do with alcohol. Alcohol is perfectly legal. Why is getting high on a drug illegal? Why does a person feel the need to get high? Maybe just pleasure seeking. So what again. Maybe to relieve depression. Why are they depressed? Why are they using illicit substances for that relief? This isn't something to punish.

Then we have the thousands of people engaging in illicit drug use for chronic pain. Yeah, let's punish them because they don't like living with pain and because the pharmaceutical corporations and healthcare system failed them.
 
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Are you serious?

Some people do believe that. It's a well-spread myth that one type of victimless crime leads to the committing of more extreme and victimizing crimes. Just like it's a myth that getting high occasionally will result in being a violent offender.

Most pirates of software and music are indistinguishable from any other person in society. They don't steal from stores or assault people. They're are just like anyone else and will likely continue to be.
 
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It didn't? Isn't privacy for everyone? If not for a big torrent host then how come we look the other way when terrorists use it, where numerous deaths are apparently okay?
I understand you don't get it because you like or a least don't consider it a crime stealing intellectual property. So you have no excuses for misunderstanding, I am all for Apple or other technology firms doing what ever they can against criminals including terrorists as long as it does not sacrifice my right to privacy as a law abiding citizen. This is an important right to prevent government abuse. Without it we will just become another state controlled population. Read a little history, even today as eroded as it is, we are still one of only a few countries that have this protection.
 
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