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So if the gas station offers to sell you gas for "your" car, and it turns out you stole the car, does buying the gas make the car legitimately yours? Likely the interpretation Apple had in mind was "you can match all *your* songs". But thieves were looking for absolution for their crimes. Some of us actually do legitimately own all the music on our devices, you know, not everybody is a thief.


I'm not saying no one owns legit music,but i would argue, not all Apple music/Match service customers use *are* legit 100% always.. And Apple is well aware of that otherwise they wouldn't have states "ripped CD's" on the site :) (probably only condoling to 'fair use') but anyway.
 
Nothing cynical about it - just Apple being hypocritical about privacy - when it comes to the iPhone, Cowboy Cook digs in his spurs and says he'll take it to the highest court in the land and even past, if need be - everything else ... pfffft.

As well he should. The government tried to compel Apple to make their phones less secure by creating an OS that would allow access by the government on demand. Apparently you are OK with that. Damn glad Apple and Cook stood up to that and keeping iPhones as secure as possible. A real shame you think the govt demanding Apple making phones less secure would have been acceptable.
 
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I guess we can stick Apple's privacy policy up our asses.
Only if you really enjoy doing that sort of thing. But that's just really not the first thing what would come to my mind to do with a privacy policy. I mean, how would you even go about that? Print it out and wrap it around some long hard cylindrical object? Doesn't make any sense to me. But I guess if that really appeals to you you've probably already worked out the details, so don't let us get in your way.
 
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I would really like to create a mashup of MR and torrent freak users right now...... U guys would go nutz :p

On one side, MR users think music online is related to value.
On the other, TorrentFreak users reckon companies still make a living and music, and piracy doesn't hurt because it gets the music out to those more to wide audiences.

It will be a full on jam session.
 
Does that also apply to court orders for iPhone information?

Again...

Apple makes sure that your information cannot be used by criminals (or by state actors acting badly). Your iPhone is out there in the open. It can be stolen. It can fall into the hands of criminals or others. It must be secure _even if a criminal has it in his hands_. If Apple itself could unlock the phone, then it wouldn't be secure enough. Therefore Apple designs the phone in such a way that even Apple cannot unlock it. Unwanted side effect: Police with a perfectly legal search warrant can't get the information either. It's an _unwanted_ side effect.

Your iTunes information also must not fall into the hands of criminals. However, it is in a place that Apple keeps secure. Hackers can't get in there. But Apple can and must. For example, Apple _must_ know what songs you have in Apple Match. Or it couldn't provide them to you. Still, Apple prevents criminals and bad state actors from getting in there. However, police with a perfectly legal search warrant _can_ get the information because Apple _can_ and therefore _will_ hand it over.
 
On one side, MR users think music online is related to value.
WTF? I can't even tell what you're trying to say here. Are you arguing that something that someone has produced themselves and has offered for sale... you have unilaterally decided it has no value and thus you are justified in taking it? If it is worthless, why bother taking it in the first place. If you want to take it, clearly it has some value.
On the other, TorrentFreak users reckon companies still make a living and music, and piracy doesn't hurt because it gets the music out to those more to wide audiences.
Companies still make a living despite piracy in the same way many AIDS patients still live despite the virus. Doesn't make either piracy or the virus right. And who are you to get to choose someone else's business plan for them? ("I'll help them advertise by giving away their stuff for free to myself and others!")
 
LOL still isn't going to stop me from torrenting
Good to know. Keep us informed as you graduate up to greater thefts. What do you have planned next? Maybe knock over a convenience store?
LOL

They arrest one guy, and another will take his place in hours...
Same can be said for muggings. That makes mugging okay, right?
 
So many hypocrites in this thread. People love getting their free stuff, but if their work was being stolen for someone else's profit, they'd be down with getting the FBI involved, no doubt.

The entitled "I pay $10 for Netflix so if it's not there I can/have to go torrent it..." **** made me LOL.
 
I was thinking the same thing. WTF Apple? Sad, real sad. Let the terrorist go, but not the copyright infringer...

Apple won't, because they can't, un-encrypt private information that is encrypted from your phone which is your personal property. Apple receiving a subpoena for their own iTunes Store transactions is a completely different ball game. In fact, they may not even bother waiting for a subpoena because any store owner would have to comply ultimately in such a situation.
 
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One down, thousands to go.
Meanwhile, 20 other new pages popped up, I'm sure in a very short time some site will be the new KAT using one of their database dumps and fishing for KAT's old users.
Was the same with TPB and pretty much any other big torrent site before.

Witch hunt, that's all this is.

Glassed Silver:mac

By that logic we should give up on fighting drug dealers too.
 
How do you know he made millions?

I'm assuming the 'he' in this context is Artem Vaulin, so given the estimated revenue of the site, I don't think it's a stretch that a key person in the organization was "making millions":

The U.S. Department of Justice estimates KAT's value to be over $54 million, with annual advertising revenue in the range of $12.5 million to $22.3 million. KAT reportedly helped distribute over $1 billion in pirated files, according to assistant attorney general Leslie Caldwell, who commented on the case.
 
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But but wasn't Apple the messiah of privacy?.Apple doesn't share our data damn it.Thats evil Google's job

They "treat piracy as the competition" ergo anything goes and it's just business nothing personal they forfeited their privacy also pretty sure Apple was subpoenaed they just didn't have motive to contest it since he's being viewed as a competitor to Apples business


Why are we even defending criminals when the privacy of all isn't on the line like certain recent cases?
 
Ukrainian-born persons residing in Poland are not subject to United States copyright laws. If the servers are hosted outside of the United States then the individual is outside of jurisdiction.

This is yet another attempt by American law enforcement to extend their jurisdiction beyond American borders.
 
I was thinking the same thing. WTF Apple? Sad, real sad. Let the terrorist go, but not the copyright infringer...

One releases the account information, likely due to a court order, while the other breaks encryption. Nice try, though.
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Ukrainian-born persons residing in Poland are not subject to United States copyright laws. If the servers are hosted outside of the United States then the individual is outside of jurisdiction.

This is yet another attempt by American law enforcement to extend their jurisdiction beyond American borders.
Ever heard of international agreements?
 
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the moral is: holding a torrent site - use goddamn linux and forget about any first world luxuries like iTunes and Facebook

Amateur mistake imo. Logging into Facebook and using the same computer+connection for personal use...
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Does Poland have an intellectual property treaty with the United States?

If so, I stand corrected.
Fair enough.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_legal_assistance_treaty

It appears this is a catch all but I could be mistaken!
 
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Ukrainian-born persons residing in Poland are not subject to United States copyright laws. If the servers are hosted outside of the United States then the individual is outside of jurisdiction.

This is yet another attempt by American law enforcement to extend their jurisdiction beyond American borders.
There are treaties for that.

Also, it seems the primary focus was on the server(s) hosted in Chicago.

eta: I should have read from the bottom.
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How do you know he made millions?
They seized his overseas bank accounts and coinbase account.

You should read the complaint. PDF
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Amateur mistake imo. Logging into Facebook and using the same computer+connection for personal use...
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Fair enough.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_legal_assistance_treaty

It appears this is a catch all but I could be mistaken!
 

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May I add my $0.02? I don't see where Apple has done anything outside of what they have always said they would do.

Let me give you an example. Let us say that I have several accounts with the Bank of Apple. I chose this bank because they offered great security, especially on their safety deposit boxes of which I have one based on their promise to keep what I have in there secure behind their key system. I have a key and they have a key, and only by using the both of them can the box be opened. I also have a checking and savings account which the bank has promised to keep as secure as possible without disobeying court orders.

Now some other Bank of Apple customer commits a murder and the authorities believe that he kept a journal in his safety deposit box and want the bank to open it. The Bank administrators tell them that they cannot do that without the customers key. Things go back and forth for a week or two and finally the authorities find that the Journal really doesn't matter and they don't need to get into the box and the whole thing dies down.

Now another Bank of Apple customer has figured out a way to steal millions of dollars from not only ordinary people, but also from the Bank of Apple. Again the authorities come to the Bank of Apple with a court order in their hands and ask for copies of his checking and savings accounts. Apple Bank complies with this court order for two reasons. 1) because they can, no other key is required to do this, and they have always said that they would comply with the lawful court orders that they can. Also 2) because they were robbed by the same person and it is in the Banks best interest to see that he is stopped.

This is the way I see this situation. When you are trying to compare Apples encryption policy to their iTunes policy you are trying to compare apples to oranges. (Possible pun accidental but I like it.)

Do I think that Apple has reneged on their promise of security? No, not at all, in fact I agree with what they did. Too bad all the torrent sites could be shut down, as I believe that would make the rental of movies etc. cheaper.
 
I don't understand why the sites just don't get removed from Google search if it's illegal. In fact can't they shut the whole website down..?

this will soon be "dark web" only
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It's not that the whole website just sits on a computer in some bloke's basement.
that was the problem with shutting down Silk Road. It moved and was housed indifferent places.
 
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