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Apple's point was that there is value in the effort it puts into the app store. It doesn't matter whether or not there's value in how other stores deal with fraud.

Is your point that stopping any fraud is valueless if it cannot all be stopped?
No. My point is their argument is misleading. My point was clear.
 
Apple's point was that there is value in the effort it puts into the app store. It doesn't matter whether or not there's value in how other stores deal with fraud.

Is your point that stopping any fraud is valueless if it cannot all be stopped?
Isn't the the slippery slope argument the poster you quoted was painting.
 
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Apple claim to help prevent fraud but they do absolutely nothing to help the victims of fraud who have been scammed by apps that manage to get through their flawed vetting process. They should reimburse anyone who has lost money due to scam apps.
 
Apple claim to help prevent fraud but they do absolutely nothing to help the victims of fraud who have been scammed by apps that manage to get through their flawed vetting process. They should reimburse anyone who has lost money due to scam apps.
You don't know if Apple does anything or not. Maybe victims of app store fraud are under NDA. On the other hand, I'm 100% that apple has it covered in their TOS. (Pretty sure google has it covered as well)
These claims were made by way of a press release NOT under oath during the legal case against Epic.
So you believe Apple is lying and cannot "prove" the numbers cited? Or are you just opining on the fact that the numbers aren't verified?
 
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No, it doesn't. Fraud still happens, and the App Store allows for knock-offs, apps loaded with trackers and malicious content. Reviews often focus on banal things like "embracing the notch" and Apple's financial interests (aka, securing their $$$ cut).

I know soon we will see Apple being forced to allow for alternative app stores and different payment methods, as it should be.
a alternate store never going to happen for privacy and virus reason.
 
Apple is going to win! Give it up EPIC.

EPIC Fail battle.

Maybe...but as the saying goes, you might win the battle but not the war. There are many going after Apple all over world so they have many battles to win yet...even if they win this one.
 
No, it doesn't. Fraud still happens, and the App Store allows for knock-offs, apps loaded with trackers and malicious content. Reviews often focus on banal things like "embracing the notch" and Apple's financial interests (aka, securing their $$$ cut).

I know soon we will see Apple being forced to allow for alternative app stores and different payment methods, as it should be.
Not smart at all. I do not want to have to give my information to multiple stores to use
My phone effectively. This opens a can of worms. It doesn’t solve a problem, it actually kills the solution that Apple solved with the AppStore. It also means too many other companies will need deeper hooks into our OS making more Vulnerable to attack. I think Apple should layout as they are all of the things they do to protect the store and agree to allow stores that match the level of protection with and equal investment into the security of the platform. And ensure that platform is completely separate from Apple’s for safety. They should demand that the court system manage these protections and investments are consistent via a 3rd party auditor. Customers should not be required to figure out what stores are safe and which are not. This would solve that problem.
 
What are these numbers even based on if there is no alternative in iOS to compare it to? Also, fraud still happens on the App Store, this website has reported on it before. It’s also not like other platforms are the wild west and Apple’s App Store has been the only digital storefront that has worked out stopping fraud and securing payments. This is a weak defense.
It’s based on the fact that Epic will not be investing on this level to protect Apple’s customers that they want to het a free ride on. Apple cannot manage these protections that their customers expect from the outside and with all of the data breaches safety is a big deal.
I believe the point to this display of information is that Apple already knows Epic’s security is lacking under normal circumstances, but when compared with Apple’s over the top efforts, they are atrocious.
This may be preparation for a round of questioning that reveals Epic’s lack of effort to secure their own platform.
 
No, it doesn't. Fraud still happens, and the App Store allows for knock-offs, apps loaded with trackers and malicious content. Reviews often focus on banal things like "embracing the notch" and Apple's financial interests (aka, securing their $$$ cut).

I know soon we will see Apple being forced to allow for alternative app stores and different payment methods, as it should be.
1. Apple has never claimed its perfect, just that the AppStore process is better than the alternative.
2. How would multiple AppStores improve the problems of fraud detection and copycat apps? It would make it harder not easier to address.
3. If you think Apple is going to lose, I’ve got some nice oceanfront property in Kansas you might be interested in.
 
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Well thank you Daddy Apple from protecting me from scam apps & fraud. Whatever would we have done before you came along to save us.

Oh wait......
I’ll never understand this mentality. Apple isn’t forcing you to use its products, nor are they hiding what they do. It’s no secret that the AppStore is the only way to get apps on iOS. If that’s such a horrible thing to you it’s easy to not have to deal with it, don’t get an iPhone.
 
Not smart at all. I do not want to have to give my information to multiple stores to use
My phone effectively. This opens a can of worms. It doesn’t solve a problem, it actually kills the solution that Apple solved with the AppStore. It also means too many other companies will need deeper hooks into our OS making more Vulnerable to attack. I think Apple should layout as they are all of the things they do to protect the store and agree to allow stores that match the level of protection with and equal investment into the security of the platform. And ensure that platform is completely separate from Apple’s for safety. They should demand that the court system manage these protections and investments are consistent via a 3rd party auditor. Customers should not be required to figure out what stores are safe and which are not. This would solve that problem.

1. Why would you give your information to other stores?

2. Why would iOS all of the sudden become so vulnerable? Isn’t it supposed to be super secure?

3. Why would not you use the official App Store anyway?
 
??? Do you understand the concept of a testimony and what it means if what you suggest is correct?

These claims were made by way of a press release NOT under oath during the legal case against Epic.
Fair enough, I got that wrong with all the court case coverage.

Still doesn't mean you can just sprout bs in your press releases, especially not for publicly listed company, not normally and definitely not whilst there is an ongoing case.
 
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No. My point is their argument is misleading. My point was clear.
Then I simply disagree with you. I'll explain:
What are these numbers even based on if there is no alternative in iOS to compare it to?
It's stated in the article: These numbers are based on the number of apps and transactions Apple has blocked. What comparison is needed to make that statement?

Also, fraud still happens on the App Store, this website has reported on it before.
Yes, but no claim of a perfect system was made. Apple knows it would be foolish to make a statement like that.

It’s also not like other platforms are the wild west and Apple’s App Store has been the only digital storefront that has worked out stopping fraud and securing payments. This is a weak defense.
It's actually Nokia that made the statement that "the App Store is 'the safest place to find and download apps'", according to the article. Now without knowing the context of the statement, it's difficult to determine how significant it is, but whether that's a weak defense -- assuming there's anything to defend here -- is for the court to decide. I suspect users who were potential victims of the blocked fradulent transactions probably have strong opinions on the matter.
 
Then I simply disagree with you. I'll explain:

It's stated in the article: These numbers are based on the number of apps and transactions Apple has blocked. What comparison is needed to make that statement?


Yes, but no claim of a perfect system was made. Apple knows it would be foolish to make a statement like that.


It's actually Nokia that made the statement that "the App Store is 'the safest place to find and download apps'", according to the article. Now without knowing the context of the statement, it's difficult to determine how significant it is, but whether that's a weak defense -- assuming there's anything to defend here -- is for the court to decide. I suspect users who were potential victims of the blocked fradulent transactions probably have strong opinions on the matter.
Okay great, they blocked fraudulent transactions, but that still doesn’t make their point valid because how do you know how many of those transactions were blocked because of Apple’s control of the App Store versus what would be blocked by any standard level of transaction security? My point is, they are using these numbers as proof the App Store is necessary and what they said doesn’t prove anything.
 
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