Apple Highlights How the App Store Prevents Fraud Amid Legal Battle With Epic Games

[1258186]

The only way to really stamp out fraud in the app store is to close it down and only allow Apple made apps.

Originally that was what Steve Jobs wanted but was persuaded otherwise. Apple have enough cash to buy up all the good developers and create their own development studio if they wanted to. Most apps in the AppStore are rubbish anyway.

 

[rpmurray]

Originally that was what Steve Jobs wanted but was persuaded otherwise. Apple have enough cash to buy up all the good developers and create their own development studio if they wanted to. Most apps in the AppStore are rubbish anyway.

I thought that Steve originally wanted all the apps to be web based and people would run them through their browsers. Then they wouldn't need an App Store. He was persuaded otherwise when he saw that web apps were slower and clunkier than apps running natively on the phone. That may be different today with the phones much more powerful than they were back in the day and browsers quite a bit more capable than they were too.

 

[1258186]

I thought that Steve originally wanted all the apps to be web based and people would run them through their browsers. Then they wouldn't need an App Store. He was persuaded otherwise when he saw that web apps were slower and clunkier than apps running natively on the phone. That may be different today with the phones much more powerful than they were back in the day and browsers quite a bit more capable than they were too.

I thought he wanted only Apple apps on the iPhone so they didn’t have to open up their APIs. Third party apps would be web apps only.

 

[rpmurray]

I thought he wanted only Apple apps on the iPhone so they didn’t have to open up their APIs. Third party apps would be web apps only.

AH, that's what I originally meant to say. I just forgot to exclude Apple apps. I always have trouble with that differentiation because Apple apps are usually bundled with the phone so it's like they're extensions of the OS.

 

[britboyj]

Has anyone else noticed that MacRumor's coverage of this trial doesn't look like the coverage from anywhere else? Reading MR, you'd think that Apple is winning and Epic's lawyers are totally incompetent. Reading coverage from any mainstream newsite, you'd get the opposite impression.

Because MacRumors hasn't figured out (or is perhaps pandering to the audience) that Apple's privacy rules are going to kill their ad revenue. Other news publishers have. Many news outlets can't afford 15% off their already thin subscription margins (30% for the first year) for apps, and the blocked targeting on the web makes it almost impossible to make web traffic via Mac profitable.

There's bias on both sides.

 

[cyb3rdud3]

Okay great, they blocked fraudulent transactions, but that still doesn’t make their point valid because how do you know how many of those transactions were blocked because of Apple’s control of the App Store versus what would be blocked by any standard level of transaction security? My point is, they are using these numbers as proof the App Store is necessary and what they said doesn’t prove anything.

What does “any standard level of transaction security” mean? Something that is just “magically” there? What is that?

 

[DeepWebinar]

What does “any standard level of transaction security” mean? Something that is just “magically” there? What is that?

Oh brother. You know how every other app store and digital marketplace on the internet has some level of transaction security? That. And yeah, it’s just magically there, that’s what I think. Genius observation.

What is with the pedantic bs with some posters on these forums? Constantly jumping to absurd conclusions and pretending like you can’t understand a word someone says when you don’t agree with them. 🤦‍♂️

 

[cyb3rdud3]

Oh brother. You know how every other app store and digital marketplace on the internet has some level of transaction security? That. And yeah, it’s just magically there, that’s what I think. Genius observation.

What is with the pedantic bs with some posters on these forums? Constantly jumping to absurd conclusions and pretending like you can’t understand a word someone says when you don’t agree with them. 🤦‍♂️

Well I still don’t understand what you mean by that. You sound like some product managers I worked with who think features just come as standard in bespoke software.

I mean Apple just bought a licence for their App Store from the big App Store store with standard level transaction security whatever that means.

but rather than simply answering or clarifying what you mean you go into some kind of rant. To me that comes across like you haven’t got a clue about what you wrote either and can’t explain what you mean by that.

 

[bb9]

Oh wow. I wonder how much Android users were defrauded and how that compares.

That is a metrix somebody SHOULD dig up. 👍👍

 

[ravenstar]

Oh wow. I wonder how much Android users were defrauded and how that compares.

That would be interesting to learn. Given that the overwhelming majority of spending happens in Apple's App Store, though, I speculate that the value of potential fraud is much higher on Apple's side of the street. But as I said, that's merely speculation.

 

[amartinez1660]

Oh wow. I wonder how much Android users were defrauded and how that compares.

I can say that the only time ever I have had an issue with a security breach for my credit card in my 10 years here in Canada was with a YouTube subscription, i.e Google, i.e Android creators land.
It did sound pretty much like any normal data compromise though. Bank took care of reimbursing me and sending a new card at least.

The problem with all of these litigations is that no one ask the users or the small developers. Bring on the fraud!

Bingo, you have won a medal today.
I have had zero issues with the App Store, the couple of user errors have gotten reimbursed (I.e bought a book instead of Audiobook once, got that reimbursed in no time and got the audiobook instead) and that’s about it. I trust it more than anything else at least and would rather do everything via the ApplePay backed system for payment and subscriptions.
And if I ever finally become a developer: the several videos/tutorials, tools, SwiftUI this, AppKit that, taxes in some country here, legal things in some country there, etc I don’t see how 15% (then 30% if over $1M revenue or 15% subscription at the second year) would be such a bad deal... I would get a whopping 100% of zero without none of that.

So whatever happens, I just hope it doesn’t flip it all upside down. Personally at least I think.

 

[DeepWebinar]

Well I still don’t understand what you mean by that. You sound like some product managers I worked with who think features just come as standard in bespoke software.

I mean Apple just bought a licence for their App Store from the big App Store store with standard level transaction security whatever that means.

but rather than simply answering or clarifying what you mean you go into some kind of rant. To me that comes across like you haven’t got a clue about what you wrote either and can’t explain what you mean by that.

Cool, be confused then, I don’t care. Product manager. Nice in-joke for your job I guess? So lame.