Oh if they have YOUR trust I should reconsider, I think I made a mistake in judging them
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Read my comment again, the answer is in there.
Sorry moving the goalposts doesn't count as an answer. Although I doubt I'll get a cogent, thoughtful answer...what does it mean that Apple lost your trust?
I was as clear as one can be in my initial reply, if you don't understand it there is nothing I can do about it. I brought up 4 examples already. Go worship your favourite corp, it's totally fine with me.
I don’t care about your reasons (because to me they are criticism for criticism sake), I’m asking what you do differently because you don’t trust apple.
Don’t expect a cogent answer, but thought I’d ask.
I am in the same position as he is but some things I am doing different is this:-
-I do not store sensitive data on iCloud
-I am thinking of migrating to Linux
-I am thinking of getting a GrapheneOS phone
-I use more FOSS apps like FireFox and Bitwarden
-I use ProtonDrive (e2e)
-I no longer recommend Apple products to others (I used to be an Apple evangelist)
It's interesting you are not going Android, which must mean you don't trust google either. I frankly will stay with Apple as I whether or not I trust them I know they will update and improve their products and I will be the beneficiary of that work.
I don't know your definition of sensitive, but I think of government classified as sensitive. I am aware I have a phone that can upload things to the cloud and as such the content on my phone is g rated. Using a grapheneOS, while it may offer you the ultimate control doesn't seem too appealing with more downsides than upsides, at least to me.
My days of recommending Apple products are over as well. They seem to sell themselves these days as the popular choice. Most, but not all, people I know have the trifecta of Apple devices: iphone, apple watch and airpods in their many flavors, with many owning more than one Mac.
YMMV. It's my belief those who take action such as the above are just a drop in the bucket of sales. But we all have to do, what we all have to do.
If you think an iPhone has any privacy then you are too stupid to be allowed to live.
People often miss the whole privacy and trust point.
If you don’t want to place any trust anywhere, then apple or any closed source vendor isn’t for you, and you’re likely wanting to use something like Qubes OS.
However, if you’re interested in mainstream computing platforms other than most Linux distros, (vanilla android, iOS, windows, macOS et al), then apples privacy stance is clearly and wildly superior.
A lot of peoples main interest the the sharing of data with third parties. That’s exactly what apple claims to protect. Anyone trying to argue anything else is drastically moving the goal posts.
If you want privacy from the vendor, then no one in their right mind should be using a closed source OS, and arguing about apple using your data to your little hearts content is frankly bizarre. Of course they are and they definitely don’t suggest otherwise.
If you don’t want to place any trust anywhere, then apple or any closed source vendor isn’t for you, and you’re likely wanting to use something like Qubes OS.
However, if you’re interested in mainstream computing platforms other than most Linux distros, (vanilla android, iOS, windows, macOS et al), then apples privacy stance is clearly and wildly superior.
A lot of peoples main interest the the sharing of data with third parties. That’s exactly what apple claims to protect. Anyone trying to argue anything else is drastically moving the goal posts.
If you want privacy from the vendor, then no one in their right mind should be using a closed source OS, and arguing about apple using your data to your little hearts content is frankly bizarre. Of course they are and they definitely don’t suggest otherwise.
Lol yeah that didn’t happen. To anyone. Ever.
Privacy is still very low at Apple. They ask for you cellphone number, they create an ad profile for you, they once even scanned your private files for child pornography and they force you to create an Apple ID, if you want to install any apps - even free ones. No they decided to make a lot more money with ads. That will not work without sacrificing privacy even more.
Of course Google is MUCH worse, but Apple has still a lot of room for improvement.
Of course Google is MUCH worse, but Apple has still a lot of room for improvement.
So you moved to Linux? Or just switched to Windows to ensure you are tracked more accurately?
Like seeing people walk the talk and vote with their $$$. Enjoy freedom of a barren, limitless garden where you are in control.
You’ll probably be back at some point.
So you rank Apple the same as companies that make the majority of their revenue from scraping/packaging/selling user data to advertisers and regularly acquiesce to government authorities? You might not like or believe Apple's marketing message regarding privacy but you don't need to. Simply follow the money.
They proposed it, they didn’t do it. But why let the truth get in the way of a good story.
The fact alone that they considered it and passionately defended their intention is enough of a red flag, we don't even know if they secretly used it (or keep using it), I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case from the company that had hired people to secretly eavesdrop on our Siri conversations (and who knows what else).
And let’s not forget that Microsoft still does scan Onedrive files for CSAM. Google does as well.
They had already built it. That is creepy enough. They really built a technology that did not scan files in the iCloud (which would not work, as the files are encrypted), but on the user's devices. And they even wanted to inform authorities, if they found something. Imagine your plumber is actively searching your whole home for child porn and reports it to the authorities if he finds any.
Apple does not really understand the concept of privacy, if it comes up with stuff like that. Searching people's devices is like searching people's homes. Usually those devices have mich more private information than the rest of the home combined. That's why it also is quite problematic that US authorities sometimes want to check the private notebooks of foreign travellers. That simply is none of their business.
Some information even is more private that a nude photo for example. We prefer not to be nude amongst others, because they could see something that we want to keep private. However we basically know how a nude person looks. We would not learn a lot of new stuff if we see somebody nude. If we get access to his phone or notebook though, we learn more about that person than even his friends and family know. Digital information is extremely private. It is like an extension of your own brain where you store things that you do not want to forget. So getting access to that information against a person's will is much worse than secretly taking nude photos of her. Those devices should be safe spaces.
Apple says that the system can't be used for other things than detecting child porn, but of cause that is not true. You can create hash values for any kind of photos. The problem is that in the US authorities can force companies to help them. If that happens, those authorities usually issue a gag order. That means that the company executives - even Tim Cook - would face a long jail time, if they ever talk about that request. That's why we should treat any US company as an extension of law enforcement. Especially the large ones like Meta, Apple, Alphabet and Microsoft.
Wasn't Apple supposed to contact that non-profit?
What does your version of privacy look like, in your world. I don't think it matches Apples'.
No it's not because obviously there wasn't a legal barrier to doing it.
You can say that, but they have the authority to do it.
It is true.
True. And skyscraper fan will win tomorrows lottery.
Think Apple has shown in the past this isn't true.
See above.
If you believe that, there is a way to fix it. First Tuesday in November. The above is a poster child for misinformation, hyperbole and conspiracy theories.
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I don't think that some posters understand what changed here. CSAM is dead. In fact, if you enable Advanced Data Protection, then Apple can't run CSAM in the cloud. Your photos are end-to-end encrypted if you enable ADP. This means that even if they ran CSAM on your local device (which they aren't, but even if they did), it would send a message to someone on high. This someone at Apple would then be able to do nothing. Because it is e2ee.
This is a slam dunk win for every one of us who was willing to and/or left over CSAM last year.
Contrast that with Microsoft. Windows 11 has more telemetry than ever and Onedrive is CSAM-scanned. In fact, Microsoft invented the technology using a technique they coined PhotoDNA.
Microsoft's report on how they scan you.
Now take Google. Hahahaha. Okay had to get that out of the way. Here is their take on the CSAM controversy. The short version is of course they scan google drive.
Of course Google scans Google Drive.
So, again, you can take this for the absolute win that it is and move on.
Note, you can also limit your exposure somewhat by creating your own cloud server (which I also do) and avoid cloud services to a degree.
This is a slam dunk win for every one of us who was willing to and/or left over CSAM last year.
Contrast that with Microsoft. Windows 11 has more telemetry than ever and Onedrive is CSAM-scanned. In fact, Microsoft invented the technology using a technique they coined PhotoDNA.
Microsoft's report on how they scan you.
Now take Google. Hahahaha. Okay had to get that out of the way. Here is their take on the CSAM controversy. The short version is of course they scan google drive.
Of course Google scans Google Drive.
So, again, you can take this for the absolute win that it is and move on.
Note, you can also limit your exposure somewhat by creating your own cloud server (which I also do) and avoid cloud services to a degree.
I don’t like the eavesdropping also, but I don’t think it was ever a secret. Reading the t and c of the things you use should be a benefit to you, then you can stop spreading fud and realise what you’re actually signing up for.
The fact the issue was raised and they stopped doing it and/or allowed finer grained adjustment of it (such as the ability to turn these things off) is much more of a valuable asset than hyperbole headlines of what happened. We all do wrong, it’s what we learn and implement after the case that matters.