Apple Highlights Low Fragmentation Among iOS Devices in Direct Jab at Android

BaldiMac said:
That only makes sense if you pretend that there are no other features in iOS.
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There is no need to pretend because there is no unique features in iOS. AirPlay comes close. There are similar features on Android but AirPlay has some advantages.
 
ben428 said:
The reason devices running earlier versions of iOS don't visit the App Store is that almost no apps are compatible with them. It doesn't say anything about the fragmentation of all active devices.
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What's your point? The chart is a reference for developers. They only care about active App Store users.

The Android numbers presented are similarly only for active Google Play users.

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lilo777 said:
There is no need to pretend because there is no unique features in iOS. AirPlay comes close. There are similar features on Android but AirPlay has some advantages.
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You just made that up too.
 
BaldiMac said:
What's your point? The chart is a reference for developers. They only care about active App Store users.

The Android numbers presented are similarly only for active Google Play users.
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The point is quite clear. Most people in this thread make comments with understanding that this chart reflects segmentation in general not just among active App Store users. Correction was in order.
 
osofast240sx said:
Which is worse Android's software fragmentation or hardware?
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I think software. I know the new thing to say is Google updates it's core apps outside of os updates but core app updates are such a small part of an os update. The fact remains that more ios users can use Google now than android users. That's hilarious
 
pirg said:
What are the unique android features?
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There were many but Apple is catching up. File System obviously remains the major one (and widgets, live wallpapers, ability to change default apps, support for NFC etc.) But again it's BaldiMac who claims that I listed Android's "unique" features while omitting unique features in iOS. What I said was that Android users got many advanced features way ahead of iOS and thus they were not harmed by fragmentation.

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osofast240sx said:
Which is worse Android's software fragmentation or hardware?
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Hardware "fragmentation" is only an issues in the context of software developers. Users mostly benefit from it because they have a huge choice of hardware.
 
jaymzuk said:
Points at hand:

Fragmentation is an issue when new software is being written that isn't compatible with prior versions of the software. A quick browse through the app store shows that most popular apps written require 2.3 or above (So 95.2% of devices) or 4.0 or above (58.6%). Given that you'd be hard pushed to buy a new Android device that doesn't have at least 4.0 installed, what is the issue with fragmentation?

If you have the OS features you need (And if you continue to run an aging 2.3 device, it's fair to assume that it meets your needs), and run the apps that you want, what do you care for fragmentation?
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I think you misunderstood the original article.

The original article is aimed at developers who are responsible for making an app compatible with as many devices as is reasonable possible. So, when you point out that most major apps are backwards compatible, you prove the articles point: the developers had to spend time and money making it backwards compatible.

That's money they don't have to spend developing on iOS.
 
Jsameds said:
Wow, over a third using an OS that's over 2 years old :eek:
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Over 2 years old... so what ?

I really enjoy Snow Leopard and it's much older than that. Not only do I and thousands of others continue to use it at home, but at work as well. In my case it's on my server and some of my Macs. At my place of employment, a multinational company with thousands of employees, they find SL 10.6.8 very stable, reliable and suitable for the job.

So when it comes to the mobile space, consumer smartphones in particular, I don't know many people that keep a phone more than two years. Even those who are not enthusiasts, that simply want something fresh and new.

This is much ado about nothing.

But then again if this works to Apples advantage as another one of their smoke and mirrors campaigns, good for them. :D
 
This android fragmentation problem is the largely the byproduct of poor support from device manufactures with backgrounds rooted in home appliances and consumer electronics.

This is dramatically different than Apple which has extensive experience in personal computing, UI design and ecosystem development.

Android device makers treat consumers of smart phones the same way they would treat consumers of DVD players and refrigerators.

Apple sees things different and this is reflected in the iPhone 3GS, which was released on, June 19, 2009, getting iOS6.

Name one android phone from 2009 that has factory support for Jelly Bean?
 
lilo777 said:
But again it's BaldiMac who claims that I listed Android's "unique" features while omitting unique features in iOS.
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You just made that up too. I never said that. What I said was that cherry picking a few arbitrary features doesn't prove that Gingerbread has more features than iOS 6.

What I said was that Android users got many advanced features way ahead of iOS and thus they were not harmed by fragmentation.
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Which is a silly argument that ignores all the advancements in Android since Gingerbread including security, performance, and developer APIs.
 
nagromme said:
More accurately, Google DOES care about customer satisfaction... but WE are not the customers! The key parties that Google's business model needs to please are advertisers first (Google makes their vast income almost solely from selling our personal info to them for purposes of ad targeting), then phone manufacturers and carriers second (because those partners push Google's tracking and ad products out to the world) and then users. Users do matter to Google, but they're pretty far down the list. Follow where the money comes from.

Google's business model is just different--they cannot simply choose to make the best things they can, and earn user loyalty. Users don't pay them. They need to be pervasive above all. Anything anyone uses that is NOT Google (like pre-Reader RSS apps, Bing search, Facebook, Skype, Windows, iOS, you name it) is a problem: it limits their ability to collect personal data, control it, and sell it. Expect Google to keep cloning everything they can--and then giving it away for free rather than competing on quality. Different model. (Even their core strength--awesome search--has gotten bloated up with ads and a worse user experience. I miss the old Google.)



The biggest things I can't stand about Android, in addition to this fragmentation and rapid obscolescence (lack of even vital security updates, commonly) are:

- No full, painless, backup/restore. If your iPhone goes under a bus and then you replace it under warranty (or when you upgrade to a new one) everything right down to your wallpaper is painlessly transferred. A phone is highly personal--more so than a computer, maybe. It's like a person's home in a way. Their "stuff" matters. The way they organize their stuff matters. You can't uproot someone every time they get a new device!

- You can't trust apps. They can kill your battery or worse. They often do. The non-curated app selection should at least offer greater choice to go with the risk... and it doesn't. You get a lot of neat system hacks and a far worse selection of real apps. So many of my favorite apps do not exist on Android. What's missing on iOS? Favorite system hacks. Cool? Sure. But not the same thing at all. (And on tablets it's especially bad for Android. Poor quality, low selection.)
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You are spot on.
 
pirg said:
Lol. It's like Google being concerned about their lack of profit when they keep talking about 1 million activated a day
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Huh, vooynx? Please explain - I don't understand, especially since "lack of profit" hasn't been a recent issue for Google.
 
Well, this isn't gonna stop me from buying the HTC One over the iPhone 5. Something about iOS just turns me off. Even iOS 7 will be a hard sell to me. I guess I'm just too used to Android to make the switch.
 
AidenShaw said:
Huh, vooynx? Please explain - I don't understand, especially since "lack of profit" hasn't been a recent issue for Google.
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Yes because the lack of marketshare has been a debilitating issue for apple...

When do you think they'll declare chapter 11, aiden? This week or next?

Android talking points...
 
Here's why. Try to sell an app today that will run on an iPad 1 or a touch 2nd gen. You can't. Apple requires that ppl buy new hardware.

I wish apple desired to get 93% of their desktops unified. There's a boatload of macs that can't run mavericks. :\
 
Its interesting cos I am currently backing up my iPad 3 with 5.1.1 and about to migrate to iOS 6.1.3
Hahahs.. I am the last 5% of iOS 5.x users right now
 
JosephAW said:
Here's why. Try to sell an app today that will run on an iPad 1 or a touch 2nd gen. You can't. Apple requires that ppl buy new hardware.
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:confused: What does that mean? You can sell apps that support iOS 5. And Apple devices are supported longer than most Android devices with the latest OS updates.
 
Aljamaki said:
They aren't that afraid. This is not Windows 7 verses Windows 8 or Windows XP verses Windows Vista.
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Well, no... although, some devs may have memories of the Vista upgrade when they use iOS7, since Aero Glass and Aero Peek are two of its big new features... :eek: ;)
 
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