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Got my Macbook 15 inch today(full spec). Guys, I have to say, I am really disappointed with this new MacBook. As a graphic/web designer, I've longed for a new MacBook since the MacBook air release and was optimistic, regardless the mix reviews. But unfortunately, I will be returning it tomorrow. I rarely leave comments, but felt like I had to for this one. I'll keep this brief.

Here's why this 15 inch, MacBook pro touch bar will be shipped back to apple. But first, let's start with the pros:

Pros:
  1. Display is ok and vibrant
  2. Very thin
  3. Space grey
  4. Thin bezel
  5. Speakers. Oh man it's loud.
  6. Fast, but ram get's devoured really quick.
  7. Overall, this laptop feels great and premium in the hands.

Cons:
  1. Touchbar is so gimmicky(trackpad can do the same functions at a fraction of the time). After 10 minutes of use, you forget it's there. Also, when looking closer on the Touchbar, it seem that Apple used a low resolution Oled strip. It's blurry. Don't led the pictures fool you. I can't believe apple charged extra for this. I thought I wouldn't mind this new direction, but it's really bad guys.
  2. Gets really hot fast
  3. Keyboard. Wanted to like it, but after 30 minutes of use, I can't stand it. Way too stiff. I think apple nailed the travel/feel on the standalone magic keyboard.
  4. Trackpad is unreasonably huge. I thought I wouldn't mind it at first, but the palm rejection wouldn't work most of the time. It's obtrusive and ruins the typing experience.

As an Apple enthusiastic, I really wanted to like this, even with the lack of ports. But the $3500+ price tag doesn't justify it. I strongly suggest that you get your hands on it at your local apple store to get a feel. It's a beautiful laptop, but that's not the main issue here.

Number 6 is a pro?

Would you mind going into more detail 'ram gets devoured really quickly' .. doing what exactly? 16GB should be enough for most graphic/web designer.. I have a 16GB machine and can run Photoshop, Affinity Designer, Vagrant/VMs, Gulp, PHPStorm, Safari, Chrome [lots of tabs], Transmit, Sequel Pro, thats in addition to usual daily apps like iTunes, Clear, AirMail, Font Book, Franz, Tweetbot, etc and the machine doesn't slow down at all.

I don't use my machine lightly at all and never run into limitations due to 16GB.

What will you be buying instead of this? going back to an earlier back or moving to Windows? I'm also underwhelmed with this update and have been in search of an equivalent machine but realistically nothing matches the consistent quality of a MacBook Pro, as a whole package i'm talking about: keyboard, trackpad, display, build quality and to a lesser extend design. The surface book seems to be the best but at 13" it's not a viable replacement for a 15" machine.
 
No it is more than just because of the brand.

It is due to all of these
  • stagnation of computer updates from Apple
  • use of outdated processors
  • limiting ram on a "Pro" machine
  • taking away ports that professionals use for the sake of simplicity
  • removing a beloved magsafe standard
  • selling a machine that is overpriced for what you get

People say this about pretty much every Apple product, your list could have been a copy paste from when the 13" Retina MBP was released 4 years ago. And history shows us the products work just fine and people move forward.

https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/1244m4/apples_13_macbook_pro_pricing_is_batshit_insane/

Maybe this time will be different, personally I've called out Apple on seemingly idiotic decisions in the past only to eat humble pie later. So I'll reserve judgement until I've lived with the product.

People say how you can hook up to a dongle/dock. This doesn't work and never has for people who aren't at their desk all day. The dongles you have to carry eliminate the point of laptops for people who want an all in one mobile machine.

In a few years the laptops which don't have USB-C will need the adaptors. I'm glad Apple went all in with USB-C. I'm going to wait until gen 2 of this MBP, hopefully things will have settled USB-C wise.

If you want legacy ports then Apple has never been the horse you should've backed. I currently have a box full of all sorts of adaptors which I've collected over a number of years using PCs and Macs. I remember when the original iMac was release with only USB connectivity - I thought "that's crazy". Nope, I was wrong - it all worked out just fine.

Some people can't see what USB-C will allow in a few years time. The others are annoyed they have have not been catered to specifically - adaptors are their only choice. But if you are a "pro" then having a few USB-A to C adaptors in your bag isn't a huge issue when on the go. Everyone I work with already has a bag with a power adaptors, HDMI cables etc. Tossing a few of these in a bag pocket won't kill me.
 
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I see Apple going back on their word and introducing an iMac in the first half of 2017 with rudimentary touch support and pencil support. The form factor will feature a display similar to the Surface Studio. Phil Schiller will get up on stage and talk about this focusing on specific use cases and how they worked with major software developers like Adobe and Autodesk to deliver compatible products.

No. If anything they'll make the iPad Pro a second screen for input. Basically, the iPad Pro becomes a Wacom Tablet. They're going to keep iOS and MacOS separate, but they will work together.

I firmly believe that having one OS be both Touch and Mouse/Keyboard input is a recipe for disaster. Please keep these two separate, but leverage the powers of both create an amazing experience. Please, for the love of God, do not force them together.
 
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So which app compensates for the crap battery life this gimmick causes?
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People say this about pretty much every Apple product, your list could have been a copy paste from when the 13" Retina MBP was released 4 years ago. And history shows us the products work just fine and people move forward.

https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/1244m4/apples_13_macbook_pro_pricing_is_batshit_insane/

Maybe this time will be different, personally I've called out Apple on seemingly idiotic decisions in the past only to eat humble pie later. So I'll reserve judgement until I've lived with the product.



In a few years the laptops which don't have USB-C will need the adaptors. I'm glad Apple went all in with USB-C. I'm going to wait until gen 2 of this MBP, hopefully things will have settled USB-C wise.

If you want legacy ports then Apple has never been the horse you should've backed. I currently have a box full of all sorts of adaptors which I've collected over a number of years using PCs and Macs. I remember when the original iMac was release with only USB connectivity - I thought "that's crazy". Nope, I was wrong - it all worked out just fine.

Some people can't see what USB-C will allow in a few years time. The others are annoyed they have have not been catered to specifically - adaptors are their only choice. But if you are a "pro" then having a few USB-A to C adaptors in your bag isn't a huge issue when on the go. Everyone I work with already has a bag with a power adaptors, HDMI cables etc. Tossing a few of these in a bag pocket won't kill me.
You know what's really sad about that Reddit page you shared? Look at those specs. Aside from the i7 versus the i5, those are the exact same specs as the brand new model. That's what's changed in the last 4 years: not a GD thing.
 
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I don't mind the bar as long as every other function is accessible as usual from the keyboard shortcuts, mouse, and the menus.
 
You know what's really sad about that Reddit page you shared? Look at those specs. Aside from the i7 versus the i5, those are the exact same specs as the brand new model. That's what's changed in the last 4 years: not a GD thing.

But honestly, what really has changed in any computer in that time? The times of radical change in the computer industry are over. There's only so small, and thin, and fast you can get.
 
PicFrame Support??? Im deffntly going to spend $4,500 on a maxed out 16GB MP just so i can use picframe on the touchbar.. Thanks Apple...
 
Got my Macbook 15 inch today(full spec). Guys, I have to say, I am really disappointed with this new MacBook. As a graphic/web designer, I've longed for a new MacBook since the MacBook air release and was optimistic, regardless the mix reviews. But unfortunately, I will be returning it tomorrow. I rarely leave comments, but felt like I had to for this one. I'll keep this brief.

Here's why this 15 inch, MacBook pro touch bar will be shipped back to apple. But first, let's start with the pros:

Pros:
  1. Display is ok and vibrant
  2. Very thin
  3. Space grey
  4. Thin bezel
  5. Speakers. Oh man it's loud.
  6. Fast, but ram get's devoured really quick.
  7. Overall, this laptop feels great and premium in the hands.

Cons:
  1. Touchbar is so gimmicky(trackpad can do the same functions at a fraction of the time). After 10 minutes of use, you forget it's there. Also, when looking closer on the Touchbar, it seem that Apple used a low resolution Oled strip. It's blurry. Don't led the pictures fool you. I can't believe apple charged extra for this. I thought I wouldn't mind this new direction, but it's really bad guys.
  2. Gets really hot fast
  3. Keyboard. Wanted to like it, but after 30 minutes of use, I can't stand it. Way too stiff. I think apple nailed the travel/feel on the standalone magic keyboard.
  4. Trackpad is unreasonably huge. I thought I wouldn't mind it at first, but the palm rejection wouldn't work most of the time. It's obtrusive and ruins the typing experience.

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My response......

- My new Touchbar MacBook does not "get hot really fast"
- TouchID is worth the price of the TouchBar alone. Far from a gimmick. It completely changes things you do everyday on your MacBook
- I moved from 8gig of ram to 16. So I do not feel in anyway that my "RAM is getting devoured really quick"
- My Touchbar is not blurry.
- Palm rejection works perfectly. Haven't had a single problem. Far from "obtrusive". The Trackpad is amazing.

Are we using the same device?
 
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Yeah, we need a bit more info than RAM is devoured really quickly. My iMac has 24gb RAM and quite often uses up to 21gb of it but thats a good thing. Thats how RAM is supposed to work. If you have 16gb and are only using 11 then you simply haven't got enough stuff open to give the OS something to optimise. If you have 16gb and you are using 15gb then that simply means that the OS is managing your RAM effectively and giving you the optimal performance for your current application set.

If you are using multiple VMs and allocating 4gb to each then yes, 16gb won't be happy but I would like a bit more info before we accept your RAM limitations criticism.
 
You know what's really sad about that Reddit page you shared? Look at those specs. Aside from the i7 versus the i5, those are the exact same specs as the brand new model. That's what's changed in the last 4 years: not a GD thing.

If you think nothing has changed spec wise you need to look harder.

1. The new models have impressive screens, better speakers, very very fast SSDs, improved portability and future proof I/O.
2. Apple can only wait on Intel's chips. It's not like the iPhone where they're designing their own and blowing everyone out of the water.
3. You're assuming Apple values performance over efficiency and portability. It's clear they don't. When you compare the 2016 model to 2015, performance is in the same ballpark yet the new one does it whilst being smaller and lighter. When you compare the 2016 model to the 2012 model in the Reddit link it's a big step up in all departments.

The plus side of Apple's designs getting thinner and lighter is I'm considering going up to the 15" when I finally upgrade, as the footprint difference to the old 13" isn't huge - yet the extra screen real estate will be a nice win for my productivity. The old 15" was a bit too big for me in terms of lugging it around to meetings and using it on the train when commuting.
 
So which app compensates for the crap battery life this gimmick causes?
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You know what's really sad about that Reddit page you shared? Look at those specs. Aside from the i7 versus the i5, those are the exact same specs as the brand new model. That's what's changed in the last 4 years: not a GD thing.
So Apple isn't using a custom SSD controller to get the fastest SSD speeds in any laptop right now?
The MBP isn't the only laptop available today that can drive more than one 5K display?

Come on now, your rhetoric is just lazy.
 
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No it is more than just because of the brand.

It is due to all of these
  • stagnation of computer updates from Apple
  • use of outdated processors
  • limiting ram on a "Pro" machine
  • taking away ports that professionals use for the sake of simplicity
  • removing a beloved magsafe standard
  • selling a machine that is overpriced for what you get
People say how you can hook up to a dongle/dock. This doesn't work and never has for people who aren't at their desk all day. The dongles you have to carry eliminate the point of laptops for people who want an all in one mobile machine.
But you'd only have to carry dongles if you were plugging in peripheral accessories. Wouldn't needing/carrying peripherals also "eliminate the point of" your laptop?
 
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Fast, but ram get's devoured really quick



Do you mean the ram was full because a) that's what OS does with any amount of RAM or b) the Memory Pressure was in the red?

To be honest, I'm kinda skeptical you actually ran out of RAM doing graphical design.

Also, I'm surprised you said the Touch Bar was blurry. Every review I read said it was super-sharp. And it looks that way in all unboxing videos. I guess I'll have to see it in person.
 
In a few years the laptops which don't have USB-C will need the adaptors. I'm glad Apple went all in with USB-C. I'm going to wait until gen 2 of this MBP, hopefully things will have settled USB-C wise.

If you want legacy ports then Apple has never been the horse you should've backed.
USB-A ain't "legacy", just like the headphone port isn't "legacy" (unless of course you have the iPhone 7 in which case it is, but then if you buy the new Macbook Pro your head might explode due to cognitive dissonance overload).

It's almost two years since Apple introduced the single-port rMB and promised us the shiny USB-C future. Didn't happen.

Do you know why? The transition to USB-C is like the transition to 4k BluRay. Nice but not quite urgent or necessary. Most peripherals you can buy today do just fine with USB 2.0. That's why the new reversible, smaller connector just isn't good enough for fast adoption.

Will USB-C become the future standard? I hope so. Perhaps in 5 years we might see more USB-C peripherals than USB-A peripherals.

In the meantime you're stuck with a laptop having no currently useful ports. Like some of the reviews said, this laptop is a miss because it's almost like a future that's not there.
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But you'd only have to carry dongles if you were plugging in peripheral accessories. Wouldn't needing/carrying peripherals also "eliminate the point of" your laptop?
But of course you can also just carry your laptop to the place where you need to plug in something (e.g. projector, lab equipment).

And by the way, no, carrying peripherals (such as a mouse) doesn't eliminate the point of the laptop.
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Let's be honest. Apple have been historically right more than 95% of the commentators here. They have a track record of proving people wrong time and time again.
You know that Apple was really close to being bankrupt, right? Not that long ago either. On occasion they made disastrous choices, and unlike in the past, there's no Jobs to save them this time. Now they have Tim.
 
Is there a petition anywhere to have Tim Cook step down? 5 years aft SJ and who can name something that's innovative from Apple. As fan and stock holder I hate to see him running it into the ground. Would rather see Phil step up and take the reins.
 
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My thinking is, that Apple needs to roll this out to other computers or it will be a gimmick or at the very least developers will be reluctant to update their apps for a subset of Macs

I would venture a guess that the MacBook Pro line is a bulk of overall Mac sales. That said, I see this something like rolling out Force Touch and sort of hap-hazard adoption until the whole line included it.
 
Is there a petition anywhere to have Tim Cook step down? 5 years aft SJ and who can name something that's innovative from Apple. As fan and stock holder I hate to see him running it into the ground. Would rather see Phil step up and take the reins.

As a stockholder you should be thrilled with Tim Cook's performance.
 
USB-A ain't "legacy", just like the headphone port isn't "legacy"
You know that Apple was really close to being bankrupt, right? Not that long ago either. On occasion they made disastrous choices, and unlike in the past, there's no Jobs to save them this time. Now they have Tim.

Apple could stop selling a single product right now and live off the interest of the cash in the bank for the next 100yrs!
There is no way they could go bankrupt. They make too much money.
And it was nearly 20yrs ago that happened. Tim Cook has been at the helm of Apple as an actual "company" for ALL of their success. Arguably, it's him not Steve that made Apple work, because without a level headed numbers guy nothing actually works. You cant just have creatives running around otherwise you end up with companies like Palm and Nest, run by product people who haven't a clue how to actually maintain success.

Apple does need what the fashion industry calls a "creative director", which is what Steve really was. But they will come, they always do. But companies like Disney or Apple survive because the board and the management team know how to make the whole thing work properly. Cook does this.
 
Apple could stop selling a single product right now and live off the interest of the cash in the bank for the next 100yrs!
There is no way they could go bankrupt. They make too much money.
And it was nearly 20yrs ago that happened. Tim Cook has been at the helm of Apple as an actual "company" for ALL of their success. Arguably, it's him not Steve that made Apple work, because without a level headed numbers guy nothing actually works. You cant just have creatives running around otherwise you end up with companies like Palm and Nest, run by product people who haven't a clue how to actually maintain success.

Apple does need what the fashion industry calls a "creative director", which is what Steve really was. But they will come, they always do. But companies like Disney or Apple survive because the board and the management team know how to make the whole thing work properly. Cook does this.
Nothing is eternal in this business, and no, you cannot have much of a business just from bank interest.

At the moment Apple doesn't have a lot worth buying in the personal computing segment, and its core smartphone business is beyond peak by two generations already.

Their business is relying on vendor lock-in, and for that to work you need a certain critical mass. They lost it before and lost it all. At the moment they have the required critical mass, but the percentages are going down.

They might reinvent themselves, they've done it before. The only thing I'm reasonably certain of is that selling grossly overpriced, mediocre fashion tech will only so much keep them afloat. That and the fact that after Jobs died they haven't really shown much creativity.
 
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