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Apple Hints at Product Refreshes?
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aswitcher said:
Lets not even get our hopes up on that scenario. When was the last time Apple announced a flagship product and then shipped that product within anything less than a minimum of 4 weeks?
And for the people like us, its usually alot longer--considering that Apple is going to cater (and rightfully so) to corporate entities like Virginia Tech, etc.
joshuawaire said:
From what I understand they are already shipping xserves to Virginia Tech (and I guess other interested institutions).
There are also rumors of big us government buying of macs.
I am sure last year and re the xserve and ipon mini this year, they have had plenty of complaints about availability and so maybe to move more of the current stock and to not disappoint so badly in the future they are getting organised and stock piling. So I have hope they may have learnt their lessons...
Palador said:
I'm sure you were aware that you were going to get bashed when you say anything negative about Apple. I agree with most of what you say. People choose Apple now because of primarily OS X. You don't go typically looking for a Mac because of hardware features, the G5 may be a slight exception. The truth is the Macintosh market is becoming increasingly a "nitch" market for creative professionals, consumers who like "cool stuff"
, and Unix/Open Source fans. This can be observed with Apple's increased focus on digital lifestyle products like the iPod and iTunes Music Store. Apple has the loyality, and knows no matter how upset their customers get or how long their customers have to wait for product revisions---for the most part they are still going to be their customers and buy their products.They are COMING! Powerbooks are COMING!
Look here:
The wait for new 12" 1GHz PowerBook G4/Combos moved from 'Same Day' delivery to 7-10 days this Saturday morning at The Apple Store.
Congrats to everyone.
The wait is over.
Getting my Powerbook by Friday, if they are available by then.
Look here:
The wait for new 12" 1GHz PowerBook G4/Combos moved from 'Same Day' delivery to 7-10 days this Saturday morning at The Apple Store.
Congrats to everyone.
The wait is over.
Getting my Powerbook by Friday, if they are available by then.
fener- You poor deluded fool.
Let's just say that if Powerbooks came out before PowerMacs, there's gonna be some unpleasent people around here.
Let's just say that if Powerbooks came out before PowerMacs, there's gonna be some unpleasent people around here.
I am going to get a new iBook... i currently have the "Lombard" G3 PB, and i need to update. I can get the educational discount (tertiary student) and get THAT at 53% of the price... as my dad can salary package it... So the current iBook 12" offered at Apple australia I can get at $900 instead of $1900!
My question is this: Could all you wise and clever Mac veterans tell me if there will be an upgrade to the ibook range? I dont desperately want a G5 or anthin; the G4 is fine, but is it likely that they will do a "product refresh" on these iBooks?
thanks... ~ozi
My question is this: Could all you wise and clever Mac veterans tell me if there will be an upgrade to the ibook range? I dont desperately want a G5 or anthin; the G4 is fine, but is it likely that they will do a "product refresh" on these iBooks?
thanks... ~ozi
Ozi said:
ibooks were one of the last things updated so I don't expect one before other things have been updated...
I recommend you get more than 256 MB of RAM when you get your ibook if you are making such a saving. Its only $80 more to get 384 and it all helps.
Also, if you a big music fan, downloader or plan to do lots of digital video etc etc, then the Harddisk is another cheap upgrade to 40 for $44 or 60 for $132
Also good if you plan to dual boot you machine with linux.
Bluetooth and Airport are also possibilities. If you are at uni and they have wifi then that might be worth thr $200 bucks, because I don't think you cna get it later.
Also Applecare is worth considering to make sure you get 3 years cost free repairs...
fener said:Look here:
The wait for new 12" 1GHz PowerBook G4/Combos moved from 'Same Day' delivery to 7-10 days this Saturday morning at The Apple Store.
Congrats to everyone.
The wait is over.
Getting my Powerbook by Friday, if they are available by then.
Seriously, this could be the sign we have been waiting for so long! New PowerBooks tomorrow!?
Soire said:
This a very likely scenario, I'm afraid.
To all the critics of my post... I wasnt 'bashing' Apple. Im not here to tout the benefits of Intel, Dell, or Windoze... Im here to express my opinion on what Apple is doing WRONG and how they lost me as a customer. OS X is a much better operating system, but it doesnt change the fact that the hardware its running on is outdated.
Intel is certainly having problems with their 90nm process, but at least they are making progress. 3.4GHz Prescotts are out and available through many outlets. They also are making regular jumps with their Mobile and Celeron lines. In comparison Apple is selling yesterday's technology in the form of G3 and G4 notebooks and playing catchup.
However, I dont think Intel deserves any credit... the overclocking community has nicknamed Prescott, 'PressHot' because they are insanely hot and wont overclock like the Northwood. I believe the company that IS doing things right is AMD. Like I said in my previous post, one Athlon 64 was giving the G5 quite a run for its money and there has been progress since those mid summer benchmarks we all read about on PC Magazine's website. Whereas from Apple there has not been a thing. It astounds me that they werent able to get the Xserves to AT LEAST 2.2GHz... hell, give those bad boys to an overclocker with a more user friendly motherboard and I guarantee SOME would be stable at 10-15% increases.
I plan to go back to Apple once they get their act together and not a moment before. I think everyone will have a rude awakening when Job's announces 2.4Ghz G5s in June... shipping in August.
Intel is certainly having problems with their 90nm process, but at least they are making progress. 3.4GHz Prescotts are out and available through many outlets. They also are making regular jumps with their Mobile and Celeron lines. In comparison Apple is selling yesterday's technology in the form of G3 and G4 notebooks and playing catchup.
However, I dont think Intel deserves any credit... the overclocking community has nicknamed Prescott, 'PressHot' because they are insanely hot and wont overclock like the Northwood. I believe the company that IS doing things right is AMD. Like I said in my previous post, one Athlon 64 was giving the G5 quite a run for its money and there has been progress since those mid summer benchmarks we all read about on PC Magazine's website. Whereas from Apple there has not been a thing. It astounds me that they werent able to get the Xserves to AT LEAST 2.2GHz... hell, give those bad boys to an overclocker with a more user friendly motherboard and I guarantee SOME would be stable at 10-15% increases.
I plan to go back to Apple once they get their act together and not a moment before. I think everyone will have a rude awakening when Job's announces 2.4Ghz G5s in June... shipping in August.
aswitcher said:
Thanks mate. I will be getting the extra ram... I will be choosing the max possible, so 128+512 = 640 meg. Nothing huge, but more than adequate for a little computer. Also, I will be paying $130 for the 60 gib harddrive... i plan to get an ipod, so i will need the room on my comp for all the music!
and our house has built in wifi, (and optus cable! w00t!) so an airport extreme card is worth forking out for. lastly, good to see another aussie on these forums. We can show the USAians that we aren't still technological retards... LMAO
~ozi
"The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is the day they start making vacuum cleaners!" -unknown
Palador said:
Ok, if this happens then criticism will be severly warranted imho.
2.7 months to go.
Mac OS Rumors has some new stuff...
http://www.macosrumors.com/41104E.html
It will be interesting to see what else they put out before next weekend to see how good their information really is, so we can evaluate their info about the WWDC releases.
http://www.macosrumors.com/41104E.html
It will be interesting to see what else they put out before next weekend to see how good their information really is, so we can evaluate their info about the WWDC releases.
Palador said:
That would make me very pissed off, especially because I am on the verge of buying a sweet-spec PC.
aswitcher said:
That's great, but what about non pro-products, like iMacs? They are in dire need of a revamp as well.
LaMerVipere said:That's great, but what about non pro-products, like iMacs? They are in dire need of a revamp as well.
they can't update iMac or iBook right now.
cause it'll make PowerBook look pathetic
I hope I'm not duplicating here . . .
here is the latest from AppleInsider;
http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=417
I don't know if this is AI trying to make excuses for some bad predictions, or Apple making excuses for not being able to build products.
But the end result is everyone looks bad: IBM, because they can't supply chips with faster speeds and in quantity; Apple, because they don't have suppliers they can count on, and their engineering guys are having troubles; the rumor boards because there is nothing solid to report.
As I stated before, everyone needs to hold off on the 3.0 talk -- to date, there is no evidence that Apple can make it to 2.2!
here is the latest from AppleInsider;
http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=417
. . . according to a reliable source, Apple was recently forced to completely rework the internal temperature sensors inside the current G5 case design to accommodate the new 90 nanometer G5 processors. Apparently, the new 90nm daughter cards have a different profile and seat position than the cards included in the initial Power Mac G5.
"The sensors were reading too low of temperature coming off of the heat-sinks and this would throw the fans into a frenzy," one source said. "The fans would spin up to an intolerably noisy speed and then the machine would shut itself down to prevent damaging the processors even though the internal temperature of the processors remained well below 27-degrees Celsius."
Apple engineers have reportedly resolved the sensor issue, though sources say that low processor supplies may have acted to compounded the delays. Reportedly, IBM's Power PC G5 970FX chip has failed to yield even the baseline 2.0 GHz mark on a consistent basis, preventing Apple from introducing faster machines . . .
. . . Compelling evidence implies that the first set of Power Mac G5 revisions were to take place prior to the 15th of March . . .
"The sensors were reading too low of temperature coming off of the heat-sinks and this would throw the fans into a frenzy," one source said. "The fans would spin up to an intolerably noisy speed and then the machine would shut itself down to prevent damaging the processors even though the internal temperature of the processors remained well below 27-degrees Celsius."
Apple engineers have reportedly resolved the sensor issue, though sources say that low processor supplies may have acted to compounded the delays. Reportedly, IBM's Power PC G5 970FX chip has failed to yield even the baseline 2.0 GHz mark on a consistent basis, preventing Apple from introducing faster machines . . .
. . . Compelling evidence implies that the first set of Power Mac G5 revisions were to take place prior to the 15th of March . . .
I don't know if this is AI trying to make excuses for some bad predictions, or Apple making excuses for not being able to build products.
But the end result is everyone looks bad: IBM, because they can't supply chips with faster speeds and in quantity; Apple, because they don't have suppliers they can count on, and their engineering guys are having troubles; the rumor boards because there is nothing solid to report.
As I stated before, everyone needs to hold off on the 3.0 talk -- to date, there is no evidence that Apple can make it to 2.2!
two things to consider
one:
Is the =fastest= dual 2.0 Ghz that much slower now?
two;
Software hasn't overcome the machine yet.
You can argue about new applications (after the fact) that are resource hungry (FCP, GarageBand, ...) but they did come after the G5 series speed bump (dual 1.8).
And here is something none have mentioned: if you price a 64 bit Windows box (that is, an AMD 64 FX/51 or 53, 1 gig of RAM (minimum), a decent video card, the beta WindowsXP for 64bit OS,...) you'll find that even a single processor workstation is equal to if not more than a dual 2.0ghz G5.
I priced a Monarch Computing PC box, 64bit FX 53, a Radeon 9800 XT, a DVD-R/CDRW, 2 gigs RAM, 2x74G SATA HD, and XP Pro for $3400. Remember, there is hardly any software that is 64bit native for the OS (still waiting on longhorn).
" good things come to those that wait "
one:
Is the =fastest= dual 2.0 Ghz that much slower now?
two;
Software hasn't overcome the machine yet.
You can argue about new applications (after the fact) that are resource hungry (FCP, GarageBand, ...) but they did come after the G5 series speed bump (dual 1.8).
And here is something none have mentioned: if you price a 64 bit Windows box (that is, an AMD 64 FX/51 or 53, 1 gig of RAM (minimum), a decent video card, the beta WindowsXP for 64bit OS,...) you'll find that even a single processor workstation is equal to if not more than a dual 2.0ghz G5.
I priced a Monarch Computing PC box, 64bit FX 53, a Radeon 9800 XT, a DVD-R/CDRW, 2 gigs RAM, 2x74G SATA HD, and XP Pro for $3400. Remember, there is hardly any software that is 64bit native for the OS (still waiting on longhorn).
" good things come to those that wait "
numediaman said:
Yea, but no one anticipated such a drastic jump to the G5 when it first came out either, so I think there is still a good posibility that we will hit dual 3GHz by june
Motorola all over again, this is bad news. Moto has nearly killed the platform with slow CPUs and now IBM cant get it over 2.0 gig. this would makes sense since that canadian outlet had xserve at 2.3 but then later we found xserve at 2.0 almost as if they had planned 2.3 then IBM couldnt deliver? why dont they just put in some AMD chips in the machines. FX53 at 2.4 ghz is a screamer, and so is AMDs 3400+ which is at 2.4. PowerPC has had one crappy record of advancement and here we go again.
Move over to AMD and let go markler or whatever it was called. Apple would then not have to worry about boards,Cpu's,Memory etc and it would be 100% easier to stay up with the PC crowd instead of year after year of getting spanked with LackofPowerPC.
Move over to AMD and let go markler or whatever it was called. Apple would then not have to worry about boards,Cpu's,Memory etc and it would be 100% easier to stay up with the PC crowd instead of year after year of getting spanked with LackofPowerPC.