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That's not the point here, the case is that these insecurity invulnerabilities are happening a lot for a company who prides itself agaisnt their competitions of having strong security and privacy measures when in reality they're just like the others and Apple isn't special. This is also the case of most Apple users who keep defending Apple for everything start to see that Apple as a company doesn't really give a damn anymore about the costumer and their only caring is the profit from their overpriced gadgets. I can't count the times I've seen people posting the following "Apple's premium is worth because the experience is the best, big free and privacy controlled" which isn't true and never will.
If they didn’t care about the consumer attacks like yours would have no value. It would be obvious they were the same a Google or Microsoft. Notice Apple News Sites have hundreds of comments on anything bashing Apple or Praising a competitor. They report on anything good about Google, Interestingly enough there was a huge issue with Apps on Android stealing money from PayPal accounts. I found out about it by accident and it’s been going on a month. But a kid finds a awkward glitch but it’s front page news.
 
"He is suing Apple for unspecified punitive damages for negligence, product liability, misrepresentation, and warranty breach. The bug, says Williams, violates the privacy of a person's "most intimate conversations without consent."

That tells me what he is really about. He rushed to get his lawsuit filed. He is on fishing expedition and using broad and vague phrases in hopes that something sticks to the legal wall. He is going to cost Apple millions and he is going to lose.
 
If they didn’t care about the consumer attacks like yours would have no value. It would be obvious they were the same a Google or Microsoft. Notice Apple News Sites have hundreds of comments on anything bashing Apple or Praising a competitor. They report on anything good about Google, Interestingly enough there was a huge issue with Apps on Android stealing money from PayPal accounts. I found out about it by accident and it’s been going on a month. But a kid finds a awkward glitch but it’s front page news.
There's also many Apps in the App store who steal your data, not long ago an App was removed due to tricking people into spending 100$ with am App store payment window, not long ago we also had a supposed anti malware software in the Mac App store who was sending all of your data to Chinese servers. Apple deleted those Apps, so did Google. Every argument you're going to throw about privacy in Android has happened worse in Apple already.
 
I have owned iOS products for a long time. I am just saying that you would expect better than iOS 11 bugs or FaceTime privacy bugs being caught through internal testing.

$750 is a lot of $ for a phone. Apple has seen plenty of hardware and software issues. Bending iPads, temperatures impacting the original iPhone X devices, stuff like that.

Nobody on the Android side can provide balance between clean software, 3+ years of software support, and hardware features.

I can go about the pros and cons about many Android OEMs. But if I were spending $ on an Android device, I would go OP6T knowing that the corners they cut can be offset with smart software management like not downloading apps you don't recognize.
Do you also open the phones to make sure all the hardware bits are neatly stored? It’s akways easy to criticize but bugs happen. No system is full proof. There was some oversight but they acted reasonably fast to stop this.
 
I am not surprised.

I just had a look at the bug reports I have filed over the years on radar. More than half have either had no response for years, or been closed without being fixed. I have to keep reminding myself that there's no point in reporting bugs to Apple.

Were they reproducible? The first thing that happens with a bug report is that the first-level people try to reproduce the bug. If they can't reproduce it, it doesn't get forwarded to the engineers to be fixed. Every decent-sized software company works this way, by necessity.
 
So he's admitting to having a prohibited item in the courtroom.

It was a deposition, likely in the firm's boardroom.
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Why do americans sue everybody instead of claiming liability for their own mistakes? If this bug did affect the lawyer, it is his fault. His phone isn't allowed in a court room, and if he can't disclose who the person listening in was, there's no proof that they were listening.

It wasn't a courtroom. This allegedly occured during a deposition.
 
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Guaranteed this jackhole set up this "deposition" the second he heard about the bug.

Full disclosure, I am a lawyer.

if the deposition was his clients, the other party would have had to set up the deposition. This takes at least a month. I’m actually more interested in how he knew someone was eavesdropping and not know the person since they had to call him. And who would care to listen that isn’t a party to the litigation or related to a party of the litigation. Since representatives of both parties are present at the deposition why would anyone need to eavesdrop. Perhaps the media but I doubt this guy is handling those types of cases.

Unfortunately my profession is filled with these types of entrepreneurs. Sometimes they are like this guy and lack a fundamental understanding of the technical issues they are suing over and are a true embarrassment.
 
Why do americans sue everybody instead of claiming liability for their own mistakes? If this bug did affect the lawyer, it is his fault. His phone isn't allowed in a court room, and if he can't disclose who the person listening in was, there's no proof that they were listening.

Depositions are typically not in courtrooms.

In other news brand worshipers are uneducated.
 
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There's also many Apps in the App store who steal your data, not long ago an App was removed due to tricking people into spending 100$ with am App store payment window, not long ago we also had a supposed anti malware software in the Mac App store who was sending all of your data to Chinese servers. Apple deleted those Apps, so did Google. Every argument you're going to throw about privacy in Android has happened worse in Apple already.
Apple taking a pro-privacy stance doesn’t mean their infrastructure is not impervious. Given their size it’s to their credit the number of actual harmful breaches is near zero.

It’s a plus for the App Store to control the apps within, but reality is when there are millions of apps, sone malware and bad decisions (Uber) will prevail.

That doesn’t detract from their consumer facing stance. Try as you may.
 
Business Ethics & Crisis Management 101,

As soon as you know about a problem like this (as crazy as it may sound); stop it (if you can), fix it, and address it. Because someone WILL find out and the fallout is always worse than if you own it to begin with. There are no secrets anymore, and trust is hard to get back.

They should’ve killed Group FT server-side as soon as they knew about it (assuming they did know and just ignored the thousands of messages they get from customers complaining. I mean it’s gotta be tough to get through all the chaff and find stuff like this). Hope they learn from this and can do better.
 
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Are you saying Android is more polished than iOS or do you consider Android to be in the same boat? Because those are really your two choices for top $ phones.

Why does it have to be iOS versus Android?

I don’t use or gave ever used Android and I agree with the post.

Not too long ago, people would pay premium prices for Apple HW to use their superior software.

Lately, it seems like their software quality is suffering.

Yes, there will be bugs, but as an Apple user, I expect the bugs to be kept to the minimum.... or at least I used too.
 
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So how would you get to know that you were being listened into and by an 'unknown person'?
I don't think you can detect it and if they tell you, then they aren't unknown.
It sounds like a bit of a punt to me but maybe I've missed something.
 
And this is why we can't have nice things. Some while ago a co-worker was funded to develop what was then called an expert system to be used by Navy corpsmen on submarines to asses someone with a head injury to decide if the injury required that the individual be airlifted (helicopter pick-up, dangerous and not to be done lightly) back to a hospital. He was planning to commercialize it, but after talking to a lawyer decided against it. The lawyer pointed out that the first time the system miss-identified someone as OK when they weren't some bottom-feeding colleague just might take my friend and anyone else involved in the project to the cleaners.
 
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