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Apple and HBO are embroiled in a bidding war for a new sci-fi drama television series penned by J.J. Abrams, reports Variety.

Little is known about the series at this time, but it's said to deal with a "world's battle against a monstrous, oppressive force," and it marks the first television series Abrams has written since "Fringe" in 2008.

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Most recently, Abrams wrote "Star Wars: The Force Awakens" and he is working on the upcoming and as of yet untitled "Star Wars: Episode IX." In the past, Abrams has worked on shows that include "Lost," "Felicity," and "Alias."

Abrams would serve as executive producer on the sci-fi series, alongside Ben Stephenson, head of TV for Abrams' Bad Robot Productions. The series would be produced by Warner Bros. Television, and while Variety says Apple and HBO are the top bidders at this time, the studio is open to other bidders.

Apple already has two other sci-fi shows in the works, including a revival of 1985 Steven Spielberg sci-fi series "Amazing Stories" and an untitled space drama developed by Ronald D. Moore, known for "Battlestar Galactica."

Article Link: Apple in Bidding War for J.J. Abrams Sci-Fi Drama




First Beats and now this crap? Apple like Hollywood is way out of touch in taste when it comes to media and just likes to burn money in the process. IMHO If S.J. was still around this company would be very different. Bring a pillow to this snooze fest.
 

Supermacguy

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His shows are crap. Star Trek (2009) was OK and ST:ID was garbage. Lost was all over the place, just like it's name. He's better at short stories. I'd never ask him to write/direct anything that has a major long term plot line. He just throws all continuity out the window. It's exciting moment to moment for sure, but just loses all basis in reality very fast.
 

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I’d still like to know what ultimately it’s going to happen with all this content. Is Apple going to create a Netflix style subscription service as part of the TV app? Will it be separate from Apple Music or will they offer one subscription for both?

I'd bet you're right on, i.e., a sub based service integrated into the TV app, and then eventually some "marketing integration" where it's all under the "Apple Entertainment" name (but a couple of different iOS apps handle consumption, maybe iTunes presents a unified view, and also, finally gets renamed).


Can't understand the bashing of him, honestly, but maybe like someone else wrote it is targeting us around 40!
And since I am over 40 maybe that is why I like his stuff?!
:)

Same. I'd consider myself a fairly "sophisticated" sci-fi fan, I enjoy a wide range of flavors: hard scifi, cyberpunk, speculative function (with a science edge), etc., and I enjoy many of his efforts too.

*shrugs*
 

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Well, it's not like both franchises weren't full of stinkers already. I present you with Star Trek V: The Final Frontier, Star Trek: Nemesis, and Star Trek: Insurrection. And Star Wars I, II, and III. The recent Abrams movies aren't perfect, but they're much better than those, I put the Abrams movies squarely in the middle of both franchises overall. And this is pretty badass:

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This thing they're bidding on isn't continuing a movie franchise, it's building a series from scratch. Fringe was great and I also enjoyed Alias to a lesser extent. Might as well give him a chance, if you don't like it, don't watch it, it's as simple as that. I don't watch Scandal or The Mentalist, but I don't get angry that they exist in the world either.

The first thing that I thought when I saw this image in the movie is that it was going to be so over designed and built to make the thing unable to fly into orbit without spending an incredible amount on fuel, and if light enough to actually lift off, it wouldn't survive the strain achieving orbit. Call me a perfectionist, but *some* degree of realism is appreciated. This was a ridiculous play for audience eyes and silly...
 

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I see no reason to be in a bidding war based on his Star Trek and Star Wars work. Apple does not need to get into overpaying for big names.
 

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Not a fan so do not care. About the only thing I appreciate that he's done in the past few years is being a part of the restoration team for Phantasm (1979) - pretty much the same way I feel about Quentin Tarantino (thanks for making folks more aware of certain Italian and Asian movies, filmmakers and talent.)


Apple has been overpaying for "big names" for years (see Beats.)
 

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First of all most Star Wars fans loved it - but that's subjective. What isn't, is its success: it made over $2 billion just at the box office, probably just as much from streaming/DVDs/Blu-rays, etc. After that kind of success J.J. Abrams is guaranteed all the work he wants for life. http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=starwars7.htm

The completely detached from reality complaining at MacRumors amazes me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_films

I thought The Force Awakens was as good as the original Star Wars (heresy!) - okay, maybe slightly below it just because Star Wars started it all. It's not as good as The Empire Strikes Back but is better than Return of the Jedi. The Force Awakens was exactly what it needed to be - a retelling of the original Star Wars with some new things sprinkled in. I know some people wanted it to be completely new but I don't think the best way to reboot a series is to do something completely different. You have to ground yourself firmly within the Star Wars that people know before branching out. The Last Jedi (also very good) is an example of starting to branch out. It hasn't done as well at the box office as The Force Awakens (but that's currently #11 on the inflation-adjusted domestic box office chart) but it did better than Rogue One and episodes II and III. In any case, the new Star Wars movies are much better than the prequels. They have shortcomings but are great improvements on the prequels and thus are a big step in the right direction. Far from ruining Star Wars -- they saved Star Wars.

JJ Abrams's Star Trek movies (while not "pure" Star Trek) were much more enjoyable than most of the previous movies (but I've never been much of a Star Trek fan so my opinion counts for naught to Trekkies).
 
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First of all most Star Wars fans loved it - but that's subjective. What isn't, is its success: it made over $2 billion just at the box office, probably just as much from streaming/DVDs/Blu-rays, etc. After that kind of success J.J. Abrams is guaranteed all the work he wants for life. http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=starwars7.htm

The completely detached from reality complaining at MacRumors amazes me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_films


Please quit muddying up people's thinking with facts.
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First Beats and now this crap? Apple like Hollywood is way out of touch in taste when it comes to media and just likes to burn money in the process. IMHO If S.J. was still around this company would be very different. Bring a pillow to this snooze fest.

Beats was an ingenious move, not only for the streaming service that quickly rose to #2 in the entire world and is bringing in billions of dollars in revenue, but also for the Beats headphones, which has propelled Apple into the the Number 1 slot in the entire world in wireless headphone sales and #1 in the premium headphone market ( >$200) where they own 60% of the market and bring in billions more. Yes, Beats is a money making machine.
 
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Also- he made a lot of the same mistakes, like crazy stretches with faster-than-light drives that violated in-universe rules, or making up cheap outs, and very generic villains with hardly any development.

He did not make the second movie, just fyi.
 

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Well, it's not like both franchises weren't full of stinkers already. I present you with Star Trek V: The Final Frontier, Star Trek: Nemesis, and Star Trek: Insurrection. And Star Wars I, II, and III. The recent Abrams movies aren't perfect, but they're much better than those, I put the Abrams movies squarely in the middle of both franchises overall. And this is pretty badass:

tumblr_nkacpfdQM21riaymvo8_1280.jpg


This thing they're bidding on isn't continuing a movie franchise, it's building a series from scratch. Fringe was great and I also enjoyed Alias to a lesser extent. Might as well give him a chance, if you don't like it, don't watch it, it's as simple as that. I don't watch Scandal or The Mentalist, but I don't get angry that they exist in the world either.


The first thing that I thought when I saw this image in the movie is that it was going to be so over designed and built to make the thing unable to fly into orbit without spending an incredible amount on fuel, and if light enough to actually lift off, it wouldn't survive the strain achieving orbit. Call me a perfectionist, but *some* degree of realism is appreciated. This was a ridiculous play for audience eyes and silly...

Star Trek: The Motionless Picture was not the best start, but it had some of the same “because we can” errors. Remember the scene where Kirk flies around the Enterprise for 5+ minutes? The long, drawn out scenes of the ship flying through V’ger? About the only good contribution that movie brought us was the theme song for TNG and the idea that space travel movies could be a thing.

I think some of the problem with rehashing ST and SW today is that the wonder of space travel isn’t what it used to be. Back then, we were amazed that they could merely tell such tales about life in outer space. Now any movie of this genre has to have so much action and flashing lights that story and character development really struggle. Just watch The ST reboot, then watch ST: Motion Picture to see how far Sci-Fi has changed.
 

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I don't understand Apple being in a bidding war with anyone over something they want. If they are serious about content and this is something they truly want, they have enough cash to outbid literally any other company without even thinking twice about it. They should show the industry just how serious they are and throw some muscle (cash) around. Maybe they will start to be taken seriously when they start to act like they are serious.
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It seems like they are repeating their own history. It all started with iTunes. Then iTunes stayed iTunes but gained Movies and TV, but kept the name. Apple Music is marketed as essentially the evolution of iTunes. My guess is Apple Music will begin (already has) to add Movies and TV and they will continue to be called Apple Music and it will quickly begin to make no sense and get bloated and slow and useless like iTunes has become.

What they should do is use a trademark they already have: Apple TV. Make it a service, not a product (make it both, actually).


Exactly. Just buy HBO and have them both.
 

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He did not make the second movie, just fyi.
I wasn't talking about the second movie.

In A New Hope, Han Solo literally lectures Luke about how "Traveling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy! Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova and that'd end your trip real quick, wouldn't it?". He gives this lecture while under fire, because hyperspace is just that risky. And in Return of the Jedi, the entire plot is about taking out the shields covering the Death Star.


In The Force Awakens, Han Solo jumps to lightspeed blind out of a hanger for no real reason. Then, later in the movie, they use lightspeed to bypass the shields on Starkiller Base, something they couldn't do in Return of the Jedi.

In Star Trek: Into Darkness, meanwhile, J.J. Abrams has the Enterprise go to the Klingon Homeworld (Qo'nos) and bomb it and then go back to Earth in, like, five minutes flat, completely undetected. To a Star Trek fan, this is like seeing James Bond jump in to the Pacific Ocean and swim up to London in the next scene. Literally the entire plot of the original series involves a Cold War-esque standoff with the Klingons with a large neutral zone patrolled by both sides. Heck, half the plot of Star Trek 6 occurs during the long several-day journey between Earth and the Klingon homeworld. Abrams just either redrew the Star Trek map or boosted the speed of war drive by a factor of 100.


Abrams constantly throws in-universe rules out the window for dramatic effect, and this is just the example that pops in to my head first.
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Star Trek: The Motionless Picture was not the best start, but it had some of the same “because we can” errors. Remember the scene where Kirk flies around the Enterprise for 5+ minutes? The long, drawn out scenes of the ship flying through V’ger? About the only good contribution that movie brought us was the theme song for TNG and the idea that space travel movies could be a thing.

I think some of the problem with rehashing ST and SW today is that the wonder of space travel isn’t what it used to be. Back then, we were amazed that they could merely tell such tales about life in outer space. Now any movie of this genre has to have so much action and flashing lights that story and character development really struggle. Just watch The ST reboot, then watch ST: Motion Picture to see how far Sci-Fi has changed.

To be fair, ST: The Motion Picture isn't considered one of the good Star Trek movies. Only the even numbered ones are held up as examples:

* Wrath of Khan
* Voyage Home
* Undiscovered Country
* First Contact


Of these, "First Contact" is the only real action movie. To me, personally, The Undiscovered Country is peak Star Trek; they rarely make movies like that anymore, and Star Trek certainly doesn't. It's slow, intelligent, the main characters have flaws that the story revolves around (in this case, Kirk is dealing with racism despite his ideals), and the story has a moral backbone. Lots of scenes are just characters talking and development.


However, if we look at, for example, The Final Frontier...okay, sure, by that standard, J. J. Abrams' movies aren't that bad, but The Final Frontier was so bad Gene Roddenberry basically disavowed it.
 
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Star Trek: The Motionless Picture was not the best start, but it had some of the same “because we can” errors. Remember the scene where Kirk flies around the Enterprise for 5+ minutes? The long, drawn out scenes of the ship flying through V’ger? About the only good contribution that movie brought us was the theme song for TNG and the idea that space travel movies could be a thing.

I think some of the problem with rehashing ST and SW today is that the wonder of space travel isn’t what it used to be. Back then, we were amazed that they could merely tell such tales about life in outer space. Now any movie of this genre has to have so much action and flashing lights that story and character development really struggle. Just watch The ST reboot, then watch ST: Motion Picture to see how far Sci-Fi has changed.

Yes, the Genie is out of the bottle. You have me agreeing with you, but I also have to say that a lot of the flashing lights and CG is because the plots are weak as tea from a week old tea bag. Guardians of the Galaxy 2, for example. Whoever ok'ed that mess should be shot. The Star Wars I, II, and III are blasphemy of the highest order! They were practically soft core porn not to mention so far advanced from the earlier movies that happened AFTER they did in the story timeline.

I got sick of seeing her navel...

But, yep...
 

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sci-fi drama television series penned by J.J. Abrams

The Heroes Journey / giant enemy we have to fight / black & white worldview
Installment #5234523452453

Gods forbid anyone ever create a sci-fi series that isn't a dark militaristic unwatchable power struggle, and is about people working together toward exploration and adventure into the unknown.
 

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What are they going to do with all this content as they don’t have a video subscription service to pay the bills?

Do any of these services like Netflix actually make a profit?

This could very well end up a money pit for Apple.
 

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J.J. Abrams is terrible, and is emblematic of all the SJW virtue signalling, political correctness and Cultural Marxism that runs through Hollywood these days. I guess Tim Cook is into that stuff. I would love a new high quality and intelligent sci-fi show, but with Abrams at the helm? No thanks.
[doublepost=1516261457][/doublepost]Invite you to watch RCVR. On YouTube. On Instagram. And on Vimeo.
 

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well for everyone's sake, hopefully Apple does not win, because their tv platform is not available on any third party devices, so you'll either have to pirate the series or have an apple tv to watch it (unlike if it was on netflix, amazon or HBO)
WTF does this even MEAN? Apple doesn’t even have a TV platform yet. They haven’t launched anything, so how could you possibly know who can or can’t view it?

And since Apple Music/iTunes is available on PC’s and Android, there’s a good chance that whatever they do with TV will be available on other ecosystems. But that’s just speculation, and I’m calling it out as exactly that (rather than pretending to know something I don’t).

But I’m old fashioned that way. I don’t post things on the internet unless I have a) a valid point based on b) actual facts.
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What are they going to do with all this content as they don’t have a video subscription service to pay the bills?

Do any of these services like Netflix actually make a profit?

This could very well end up a money pit for Apple.
Apple doesn’t really have a history of digging money pits. My guess is that they have waited to enter this market until they had a mode that they knew would turn a profit. It will be interesting to see whether it is bundled with Apple Music to create something that neither Spotify nor Netflix could compete with, or if it will be on its own.
 

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J.J. Abrams is terrible, and is emblematic of all the SJW virtue signalling, political correctness and Cultural Marxism that runs through Hollywood these days. I guess Tim Cook is into that stuff. I would love a new high quality and intelligent sci-fi show, but with Abrams at the helm? No thanks.

That’s a bunch of hogwash. The problem with JJ Abrams is he has only concepts, and has nothing to say. He produces a great pilot or first act, and then, usually, the plot goes nowhere.
 

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Heck, half the plot of Star Trek 6 occurs during the long several-day journey between Earth and the Klingon homeworld. Abrams just either redrew the Star Trek map or boosted the speed of war drive by a factor of 100.

Well, it's not the 90's anymore. Warp drive is much, much faster.
I'm just joking. I appreciate your attention to detail in both movies. As a rare fan of both Universe franchises.
 
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