I've got mixed feelings on this one. While they definitley don't *need* to have their name attached to a bill, the are supporting a good idea, and can't really hurt themselves in any political fashion given the subject.
I don't know if Apple did a 180 here, but maybe just Tim, and not even really a 180 if you look at it from a personal point of view and not a companys' point of view. A company spokesperson, or whoever made the initial call, did their job spot on getting his name removed. Purely guessing it sounds like Tim heard the story / subject matter and personally decided to do this. Afterall, it's his name, not the company's name.
As a shareholder I only care about Tim in so far as the job he's doing as CEO of Apple. At Apple it should be all about the products, not about Tim Cook.
If it could've gone under the radar entirely, perhaps that'd have been the best for Apple, but after the story had hid the daylight, Apple pretty much had to revert their policy, and "see it as an honour". Not doing so would almost act as them saying they're against the bill in some way, which'd contradict the message they're trying to send.
I agree wholeheartedly. Unfortunately American politics and media like their 'stories'.
Yet it seems completely acceptable to attack people who have concerns about homosexual behavior
It's not OK to attack, abuse, or deny rights to people who are homosexual. Never has been. Never will be.
Yet it seems completely acceptable to attack people who have concerns about homosexual behavior; just having those concerns makes you free game for labels like "bigot" or "homophobe." Not sure when free speech became the right of everyone but social conservatives, but it looks like it's happened.
(If you don't believe it, watch the reaction to this post or similar ones.)
This is good for Tim. But is it also good for Apple , the company?
This is what wikipedia says: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality#Orientation_and_behaviorWhat does homosexual behavior mean?
He's an openly gay CEO from Alabama. Its as simple as that.Am I missing something here? Tim Cook tells other corporations 'Don't discriminate against gays and lesbians and fill-in-the-blank' and he gets legislation named after him.?.?.
Has he been the subject of this kind of employment discrimination himself? Or is he just the hypothetical 'potential discrimination' case because he has said that he is gay?
If he has a history of overcoming this kind of discrimination then fine, honor the guy, otherwise i think this is a touch silly as any other bglt employer or employee could also be the recipient of such a vacuous honor.
For the record Tsunami is going on the record saying 'Don't discriminate against clowns.'
It's not OK to attack, abuse, or deny rights to people who are homosexual. Never has been. Never will be.
Yet it seems completely acceptable to attack people who have concerns about homosexual behavior; just having those concerns makes you free game for labels like "bigot" or "homophobe." Not sure when free speech became the right of everyone but social conservatives, but it looks like it's happened.
(If you don't believe it, watch the reaction to this post or similar ones.)
Where else is it supposed to be? In the software subforum?Will MacRumors and others be as anti-discromination as Tim Cook is one day?
This topic being in PRSI means MacRumors still have a long way to go, to be like Tim Cook.
They mention it, because he gave that speech in Alabama and said that he had to deal with discrimination when he was younger and he wants to give moral support to others who might be in that position. I agree though that it really is a non-issue imo.As a shareholder I only care about Tim in so far as the job he's doing as CEO of Apple. At Apple it should be all about the products, not about Tim Cook.
Wouldn't it be hilarious if one of the letters in his name would be a "c" instead of an "o"?He's an openly gay CEO from Alabama. Its as simple as that.
I'm all for the bill, but I agree naming it after Cook is pretty silly.
Will MacRumors and others be as anti-discromination as Tim Cook is one day?
This topic being in PRSI means MacRumors still have a long way to go, to be like Tim Cook.
Well done to Tim Cook though, he's a legend,
"Tim Cook Economic Development Act"
I'm sorry but that sounds silly.
I have put enough effort into the side over the years. As have you. Articles should not be hidden away just because some people here feel certain subjects should not be out in the open for everyone to comment on. The moderators here do a great job and they can moderate these topics if they were in the general article section of the forum as they should be. Not a hard job for moderators ad good as the ones here.There are enough "poop and scoot" posters on other sites, and people that set up accounts just to flame others. Bateast here, you have to put in an effort to be able to post to PRSI.
It took me about a week of posting to get to 100; imagine the tone here if all it took was sign up and you're done. If you think it's the sewer now, it can get worse.
The only discrimination here is effort that you put into the site.
Nothing else, as far as MR goes.
In the general article forum with all the other news articles. Why move this one to a special sub forum. Does the word discrimination make people here blush and they don't want everyone discussing it?Where else is it supposed to be? In the software subforum?
Social conservatives are absolutely entitled to free speech--only most of them, like O'Reilly, Limbaugh, and Palin, charge a fortune for it. What social conservatives don't have, though, is respect. Most reasonable people regard such mutterings about having "concerns about homosexual behavior" as ample evidence of ignorance, prejudice, and a desire to impose their own moral code on other people. And, of course, if you are an employer accused of denying legally-mandated equal rights to homosexual applicants or employees, comments about your "concerns" may well be presented as evidence that you have unlawfully discriminated against homosexuals in your hiring or employment practices that a jury will have to consider.
But, mostly, you see, it's just that social conservatives are and always have been on the wrong side of history You would have loved the 1950's, but time has passed social conservatives by, and as time goes on, as the demographics of the country change, as people get used to accepting homosexuals in their communities and seeing that their presence doesn't destroy anyone else's marriage and that their children haven't been molested, you'll see social conservatives being more and more ostracized. You must remember that at one time George Wallace, a sterling social conservative, expressed views that were embraced by a goodly number of Americans. Today, a half-century later, those openly denigrating black people because they are, you know, black, are virtually universally condemned, just as anti-homosexuals will be very soon, if not already.
On the other hand, look on the bright side--I hear social conservatives are doing a helluva job battling that vicious War Against Christmas.
So the government isn't going to jail social conservatives for being idiotically wrong on abortion, contraception, long hair, hip-hop music, evolution, prayer in schools, the gold standard, or intolerance of government deficit spending to recover from a demand shock at the lower bound. You needn't worry about being fined or thrown in jail. You just might want to buy a good pair of ear plugs because there is nothing in the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, or the Mayflower Compact that is going to save anyone from the criticism of his fellow citizens.
The only problem with all this way of thinking is that if everyone is either homosexual or killed before birth, there soon won't be any humans left. My extreme leftist sister would be pleased.Social conservatives are absolutely entitled to free speech--only most of them, like O'Reilly, Limbaugh, and Palin, charge a fortune for it. What social conservatives don't have, though, is respect. Most reasonable people regard such mutterings about having "concerns about homosexual behavior" as ample evidence of ignorance, prejudice, and a desire to impose their own moral code on other people. And, of course, if you are an employer accused of denying legally-mandated equal rights to homosexual applicants or employees, comments about your "concerns" may well be presented as evidence that you have unlawfully discriminated against homosexuals in your hiring or employment practices that a jury will have to consider.
But, mostly, you see, it's just that social conservatives are and always have been on the wrong side of history You would have loved the 1950's, but time has passed social conservatives by, and as time goes on, as the demographics of the country change, as people get used to accepting homosexuals in their communities and seeing that their presence doesn't destroy anyone else's marriage and that their children haven't been molested, you'll see social conservatives being more and more ostracized. You must remember that at one time George Wallace, a sterling social conservative, expressed views that were embraced by a goodly number of Americans. Today, a half-century later, those openly denigrating black people because they are, you know, black, are virtually universally condemned, just as anti-homosexuals will be very soon, if not already.
On the other hand, look on the bright side--I hear social conservatives are doing a helluva job battling that vicious War Against Christmas.
So the government isn't going to jail social conservatives for being idiotically wrong on abortion, contraception, long hair, hip-hop music, evolution, prayer in schools, the gold standard, or intolerance of government deficit spending to recover from a demand shock at the lower bound. You needn't worry about being fined or thrown in jail. You just might want to buy a good pair of ear plugs because there is nothing in the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, or the Mayflower Compact that is going to save anyone from the criticism of his fellow citizens.
I just do not understand why a piece of legislation is named after a person at all.
I have put enough effort into the side over the years. As have you. Articles should not be hidden away just because some people here feel certain subjects should not be out in the open for everyone to comment on. The moderators here do a great job and they can moderate these topics if they were in the general article section of the forum as they should be. Not a hard job for moderators ad good as the ones here.
Tim Cook wants everyone to be treated equally. But with attitudes like this it'll never happen. People here need to heed TC's message.
In the general article forum with all the other news articles. Why move this one to a special sub forum. Does the word discrimination make people here blush and they don't want everyone discussing it?
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My stance on this is that everyone is equal. And everyone one and every article deserves to be treated equally. Not putting some articles in PRSI because it says the word gay once or because it's about a non white person or because it says the word discrimination. True equality does not need special areas to hide things in. In true equality everything would be out in the open and freely discussed by all.
The only problem with all this way of thinking is that if everyone is either homosexual or killed before birth, there soon won't be any humans left. My extreme leftist sister would be pleased.
It's not OK to attack, abuse, or deny rights to people who are homosexual. Never has been. Never will be.
Yet it seems completely acceptable to attack people who have concerns about homosexual behavior; just having those concerns makes you free game for labels like "bigot" or "homophobe." Not sure when free speech became the right of everyone but social conservatives, but it looks like it's happened.
(If you don't believe it, watch the reaction to this post or similar ones.)